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Jan 25, 2016 9:14:00 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: KMM

Re: 991.2 GT3

KMM:
RC:
Grant:
BjoernB:
What about the new upcoming EU emissions restrictions didn't you exactly understand?

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RC, I am going to go super-optimistic and speculate that the EU and US emissions regulators will finally realize that these small displacement turbo motors are just another, more subtle, less VW-eggregious approach to getting around their regulations. And they will hopefully switch to ways of measuring emissions and consumption that better reflect real-world usage, and develop new regulations whereby NA motors will be at less of a disadvantage than these turbo motors.

Too much to hope for?

According to our engineering source(s) at Porsche and BMW, it will get even worse. New (more restrictive) regulations are planned since the VW scandal woke up politicians and the public. I'm afraid we are going to have some very bad surprised over the next 10 years or so (and of course beyond) and it also seems that many car manufacturers will try to concentrate on electric mobility and less on maximizing performance. With some luck, cars are going to get lighter (and very likely not cheaper Smiley ) but I doubt that hp monsters and good sounding cars will have a future. Enjoy it while you can. Smiley

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Feb 8, 2016 10:05:41 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: 991.2 GT3

Some camouflaged pics:

http://www.motor1.com/spy/61004/2017-porsche-911-gt3-spied-showing-its-new-face/

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Feb 9, 2016 5:41:47 AM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: 991.2 GT3

Grant:
Some camouflaged pics:

http://www.motor1.com/spy/61004/2017-porsche-911-gt3-spied-showing-its-new-face/

Does not look turbo-charged to me. Bummer Smiley

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Feb 9, 2016 6:59:07 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991.2 GT3

Two interesting (FL) cars for 2017 GT3 + GTC4

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Feb 9, 2016 7:35:46 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991.2 GT3

bluelines:
Grant:
Some camouflaged pics:

http://www.motor1.com/spy/61004/2017-porsche-911-gt3-spied-showing-its-new-face/

Does not look turbo-charged to me. Bummer

I just cannot think of another solution than Turbo charged....- the 3.8 Liter is at it's max - the 4.0 could be a solution but would probably piss-off a lot of RS owners and 997RS4.0 owners - and just reducing 20-30 KGs will probably not move a lot of Wood.... - Turbo charged could be lot of mid-range gain and maybe a overboost button ? Electric Turbo etc etc.... - would Porsche produce a new NA engine for just +/- 2000 cars ?

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Feb 9, 2016 7:36:52 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: BiTurbo

Feb 9, 2016 7:38:00 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 991.2 GT3

BjoernB:
bluelines:
Grant:
Some camouflaged pics:

http://www.motor1.com/spy/61004/2017-porsche-911-gt3-spied-showing-its-new-face/

Does not look turbo-charged to me. Bummer

I just cannot think of another solution than Turbo charged....- the 3.8 Liter is at it's max - the 4.0 could be a solution but would probably piss-off a lot of RS owners and 997RS4.0 owners - and just reducing 20-30 KGs will probably not move a lot of Wood.... - Turbo charged could be lot of mid-range gain and maybe a overboost button ? Electric Turbo etc etc.... - would Porsche produce a new NA engine for just +/- 2000 cars ?

4.0L from 991.1 GT3 RS most likely with 495ps...

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Feb 9, 2016 7:43:49 AM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 991.2 GT3

it would sell for sure - but I would be p/off..... - what's the Point of a 911R then ?

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Feb 9, 2016 7:47:59 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 991.2 GT3

That would bring the .2 GT3 very, very close to the current RS and the futur R . A bit confusing .

RC did mention that the Gt3.2 could well be NA , but that it would be the last one .

I can imagine Porsche will try to move very slowly away from the NA in the GT cars........ so another batch would very well be possible, and then , once people got mure used to have turbo in the whole range, GT with turbo will appear in the next generation

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Feb 9, 2016 8:41:55 AM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991.2 GT3

Gnil:
That would bring the .2 GT3 very, very close to the current RS and the futur R . A bit confusing .

RC did mention that the Gt3.2 could well be NA , but that it would be the last one .

I can imagine Porsche will try to move very slowly away from the NA in the GT cars........ so another batch would very well be possible, and then , once people got mure used to have turbo in the whole range, GT with turbo will appear in the next generation

Something tells me, we'll see more of these scenes with the significant raise in torque on 2WD cars angry

https://youtu.be/dCDKqUZNdMQ

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Feb 9, 2016 8:54:17 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: 991.2 GT3

Well... It happened in Dubai... Better to stop further comments...

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Feb 9, 2016 2:39:11 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991.2 GT3

Gnil:
That would bring the .2 GT3 very, very close to the current RS and the futur R . A bit confusing .

Pardon my ignorance, but this would be nothing new right? The next generation GT3 has always been close to the previous generation RS.

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Feb 9, 2016 2:41:31 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 991.2 GT3

BjoernB:
it would sell for sure - but I would be p/off..... - what's the Point of a 911R then ?

I would guess the same point as e.g. the 997.2 Sport Classic Smiley

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Feb 9, 2016 2:42:36 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991.2 GT3

bluelines:
Gnil:
That would bring the .2 GT3 very, very close to the current RS and the futur R . A bit confusing .

Pardon my ignorance, but this would be nothing new right? The next generation GT3 has always been close to the previous generation RS.

If they use the 4.0 engine , it would mean that the current RS + R + the .2 GT3 have basically the same engine . Thus bringing these 3 cars very close to each other .

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Feb 9, 2016 2:44:27 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 991.2 GT3

BjoernB:
bluelines:
Grant:
Some camouflaged pics:

http://www.motor1.com/spy/61004/2017-porsche-911-gt3-spied-showing-its-new-face/

Does not look turbo-charged to me. Bummer

I just cannot think of another solution than Turbo charged....

Rubber band?

Given there seem to be no additional air inlets/outlets on this GT3 it speaks against turbo charging.

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Feb 9, 2016 2:46:51 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991.2 GT3

Gnil:
bluelines:
Gnil:
That would bring the .2 GT3 very, very close to the current RS and the futur R . A bit confusing .

Pardon my ignorance, but this would be nothing new right? The next generation GT3 has always been close to the previous generation RS.

If they use the 4.0 engine , it would mean that the current RS + R + the .2 GT3 have basically the same engine . Thus bringing these 3 cars very close to each other .

Seems like the natural step to me. Porsche can't release a new GT3 which is "less" than the predecessors (RS and special versions included).

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Feb 9, 2016 2:50:48 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14167, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991.2 GT3

So , maybe 4.0 with 495 HP , not to upset the RS owners indecision

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Feb 9, 2016 2:52:06 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991.2 GT3

Wiki

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Feb 9, 2016 2:52:30 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: 991.2 GT3

Gnil:
So , maybe 4.0 with 495 HP , not to upset the RS owners

Or maybe a 4.0 with 505 HP to get all RS owners to upgrade Smiley

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Feb 9, 2016 3:17:46 PM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991.2 GT3

Another 2 cars I have to buy heart indecision

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Feb 9, 2016 3:20:35 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 991.2 GT3

BjoernB:
Another 2 cars I have to buy

Smiley

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Feb 9, 2016 3:27:02 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991.2 GT3

After reading thread on rennlist about 991.2 GT3 mule pics I am truly supriesed that nobody there noticed that mule is wearing winter tires. Offical winter wheels for 991 GT3 are the same as for 991.1 Turbo (CLs).

Car is having new front design and updated engine/suspension/PDK-S. An early 991.2 GT3 mule.

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Feb 9, 2016 3:32:27 PM

BjoernB: Rennteam Master; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 4100, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 19, 2004; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: 991.2 GT3

the new front design is for the intercoolers and Manual Transmission cooling indecision

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Feb 9, 2016 5:59:22 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: BjoernB

Re: 991.2 GT3

Must admit I was (selfishly) hoping for a turbo, but who's to say it even needs much of a power bump? It's not as if they won't sell without one.. I'd be really surprised if it got a 4.0 - surely the extra heat would need the RS' intakes?

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Feb 9, 2016 6:26:02 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: DaveGordon

Re: 991.2 GT3

DaveGordon:
Must admit I was (selfishly) hoping for a turbo, but who's to say it even needs much of a power bump? It's not as if they won't sell without one.. I'd be really surprised if it got a 4.0 - surely the extra heat would need the RS' intakes?

Those intakes don't affect the heat - just give a power bump at high road speeds. Adding the 4.0L with a small power decrease from the RS is the easiest way to give a 20hp increase and increase reliability (if some rumors are true).

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Feb 9, 2016 8:49:41 PM

throt: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 6078, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2005; Reply to: Grant

Re: 991.2 GT3

Grant:
DaveGordon:
Must admit I was (selfishly) hoping for a turbo, but who's to say it even needs much of a power bump? It's not as if they won't sell without one.. I'd be really surprised if it got a 4.0 - surely the extra heat would need the RS' intakes?

Those intakes don't affect the heat - just give a power bump at high road speeds. Adding the 4.0L with a small power decrease from the RS is the easiest way to give a 20hp increase and increase reliability (if some rumors are true).

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16 Cayman GT4, 73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550, 79 635CSi

So, would this be good for our screaming 9000rpm 991.1 3.8 GT3's. Would this make it officially the bad one when knocking on ( selling ). Who knows, time will tell I suppose.

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"I Have Done It!".

991 GT3 pick up in October 2014.

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Feb 9, 2016 9:00:30 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: throt

Re: 991.2 GT3

I performed tasseography this evening and it said 4.2 litre 9200 rpm screaming 991.2 GT3. Remember, you read it here on RT first kiss

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Feb 9, 2016 9:22:54 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: throt

Re: 991.2 GT3

throt:

So, would this be good for our screaming 9000rpm 991.1 3.8 GT3's. Would this make it officially the bad one when knocking on ( selling ). Who knows, time will tell I suppose.

Really too soon to know. But seems likely that 991.1 GT3 may be only street-legal 911 (918 revs to 9,200 I think) to ever rev to 9k, which is pretty cool Smiley

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Feb 9, 2016 9:45:28 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: 991.2 GT3

bluelines:
I performed tasseography this evening and it said 4.2 litre 9200 rpm screaming 991.2 GT3. Remember, you read it here on RT first

And don't forget the further weight reduction made possible by the excessive use of CF, which will make it lighter than a 911R. Smiley Smiley

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Feb 9, 2016 9:48:17 PM

Grant: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Denver, CO , United States; Posts: 12585, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 21, 2002; Reply to: Rossi

Re: 991.2 GT3

Rossi:

And don't forget the further weight reduction made possible by the excessive use of CF, which will make it lighter than a 911R.

At half the price? Smiley Smiley

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