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Jan 26, 2016 11:54:21 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2)

That's the touch screen glass on 918.

LOOKS GREAT! But I sort of hated it as I need to use my eyes to look down to do anything.

But it does gives a smooth look over the crowded buttons look.

With the hunch back gone, it looks soooooooooo much sportier, I might even get rid of the FF for one depending on the HP level Porsche is giving out.
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Jan 27, 2016 12:20:06 AM

CPA4S: Senior; Loc: Ottawa area - Canada , Canada; Posts: 511, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 22, 2007; Reply to: Whoopsy

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those touch screens often don't work with gloves, and we need driving gloves for 3 or 4 months of the year !

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Jan 27, 2016 12:23:39 AM

Milanno: Senior; Loc: ... , Åland Islands; Posts: 766, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 27, 2011; Reply to: CPA4S

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CPA4S:
those touch screens often don't work with gloves, and we need driving gloves for 3 or 4 months of the year !

You should throw away your smartphone ASAP if you need gloves in car that have heating as standard option Smiley

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Jan 27, 2016 3:13:31 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: CPA4S

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CPA4S:
those touch screens often don't work with gloves, and we need driving gloves for 3 or 4 months of the year !

My Under Armour gloves works with touch screens Smiley

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Jan 27, 2016 5:47:03 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Oh dear! I have such a hard time with this car. I don't think that this car photographs well at all. I always prefer to see it in the flesh. There are angles (in the photos) that are quite nice, but to my eyes, this shape does not work on such a huge car. Interior is nice.

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Jan 27, 2016 11:39:15 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Leawood911

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Leawood911:
This must be the new interior RC saw for the next 911.

There is some connection to it, yes but I do not like the touch buttons with tactile feedback because they do not work as good as I would expect them to work. Maybe they are getting improved, I deeply hope so. Smiley Also, the 998 (or whatever) gets a full digital dash last time I checked. Smiley

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Jan 27, 2016 12:30:45 PM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: RC

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RC:
Leawood911:
This must be the new interior RC saw for the next 911.

There is some connection to it, yes but I do not like the touch buttons with tactile feedback because they do not work as good as I would expect them to work. Maybe they are getting improved, I deeply hope so. Also, the 998 (or whatever) gets a full digital dash last time I checked.

This touch panel is hideous. It looks like our Kitchen-Oven... has the same elements.

Two things are bad: 1st you have to look at and you can't feel the button. 2nd you will have plenty of fingerprints on it... that looks ugly and would make me crazy!

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Jan 27, 2016 12:57:09 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: Lars997

Re: Panamera 2016 (Gen.2)

Lars997:
RC:
Leawood911:
This must be the new interior RC saw for the next 911.

There is some connection to it, yes but I do not like the touch buttons with tactile feedback because they do not work as good as I would expect them to work. Maybe they are getting improved, I deeply hope so. Also, the 998 (or whatever) gets a full digital dash last time I checked.

This touch panel is hideous. It looks like our Kitchen-Oven... has the same elements.

Two things are bad: 1st you have to look at and you can't feel the button. 2nd you will have plenty of fingerprints on it... that looks ugly and would make me crazy!

but this could be solved:
- ugly fingerprints - depends on the finish of the surface - all smartphones are today with ugly fingerprints
- you can feel the button with some reaction on touch (I have heard that they will use this technology)
- you can display an overlay in the huge PCM which button your finger has touched (not pressed)

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Jan 27, 2016 1:10:33 PM

apias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: United States , United States; Posts: 2608, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2013; Reply to: ALDO

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RC:

... Also, the 998 (or whatever) gets a full digital dash last time I checked.

ALDO:
but this could be solved:
- ugly fingerprints - depends on the finish of the surface - all smartphones are today with ugly fingerprints
- you can feel the button with some reaction on touch (I have heard that they will use this technology)
- you can display an overlay in the huge PCM which button your finger has touched (not pressed)

This is an example of the misapplication of technology. Now, to overcome the problems with this application, they have to add increasing layers of complication when a simple button or dial solved the problem better and more elegantly. Not everything needs to be digital just because it can be. Some things are better left analog.

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Jan 27, 2016 2:24:58 PM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: apias

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apias:

RC:

... Also, the 998 (or whatever) gets a full digital dash last time I checked.

ALDO:
but this could be solved:
- ugly fingerprints - depends on the finish of the surface - all smartphones are today with ugly fingerprints
- you can feel the button with some reaction on touch (I have heard that they will use this technology)
- you can display an overlay in the huge PCM which button your finger has touched (not pressed)

This is an example of the misapplication of technology. Now, to overcome the problems with this application, they have to add increasing layers of complication when a simple button or dial solved the problem better and more elegantly. Not everything needs to be digital just because it can be. Some things are better left analog.

Exactly Apias.... you have to add stuff to overcome other problems.... how silly!

Give a simple old fashioned switch and basta!

I have a Samsung TV with one of those touch remotes. I hate it.... we all hate it. You always need the light to see what button you are touching. Bought for 10 bucks a one4all replacement - much better.

Porsche was always "Form follows function".... they really lost track it seems!

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Jan 27, 2016 2:54:17 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Lars997

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Tried the sort of touch buttons on the new Escalade and hated them. Nothing good about them, they don't even look good...

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Jan 27, 2016 3:19:24 PM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3072, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: SciFrog

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You are right with the new needed level of complications.

I'm driving for more then 5 years a Panamera and I have all these buttons on the center console. To be honest I have to look to find the right button. On long journeys I have played and tried to find a specific button without looking. I have lost nearly all tries.

A central controller like BMW have isn´t the right solution also voice control is not a good solution nor Teslas huge display. Maybe Porsche did find this time something suitable.

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Jan 27, 2016 5:59:10 PM

Targa Tim: Expert; Loc: Vancouver, BC, Canada , Canada; Posts: 1475, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 3, 2005; Reply to: ALDO

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I like old style, definitely prefer buttons for temp control, wind speed, radio, etc rather than touch screen.

These functions should be accessible just by "feel" to be useful while driving.

For the rest of function that needed to be look and search on a touchscreen, they are not that important during driving and I don't care how they do it.

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Jan 28, 2016 8:38:07 AM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14171, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Targa Tim

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Targa Tim:
I like old style, definitely prefer buttons for temp control, wind speed, radio, etc rather than touch screen.

These functions should be accessible just by "feel" to be useful while driving.

For the rest of function that needed to be look and search on a touchscreen, they are not that important during driving and I don't care how they do it.

I agree . But , one of the biggest complaints about the curent model is the over clustered center console . Hard to get it right .

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Jan 28, 2016 8:54:24 AM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy: I might even get rid of the FF for one depending on the HP level Porsche is giving out.

Yes, but you would definitely miss the V12 music

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Jan 28, 2016 10:14:35 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: SciFrog

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SciFrog:
Tried the sort of touch buttons on the new Escalade and hated them. Nothing good about them, they don't even look good...

I fully agree. Had a new Escalade for almost 3 weeks and while I really loved the car and the comfort, the touch buttons were sometimes driving me crazy. Touch screen? Yes. Touch buttons. NO!!!

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Jan 28, 2016 3:44:12 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: crayphile

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crayphile:
Whoopsy: I might even get rid of the FF for one depending on the HP level Porsche is giving out.

Yes, but you would definitely miss the V12 music

Nick make sure you try one before. The Panamera turbo I tried was really boring...

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Jan 28, 2016 3:45:48 PM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: crayphile

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crayphile:
Whoopsy: I might even get rid of the FF for one depending on the HP level Porsche is giving out.

Yes, but you would definitely miss the V12 music

I know that Smiley

The V12 sound is on another level compared with everything else.

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Jan 29, 2016 10:26:02 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Whoopsy

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Whoopsy:
crayphile:
Whoopsy: I might even get rid of the FF for one depending on the HP level Porsche is giving out.

Yes, but you would definitely miss the V12 music

I know that

The V12 sound is on another level compared with everything else.

Don't do it. I was so excited about getting my Panamera Turbo S and this car was really fun to drive. At some point though, I started to feel...old and I realized that this isn't the right car for me. BORING. The FF is a completely different beast, do not switch it for a Panamera. The novelty attraction will wear off fast. I made two major mistake with the Panamera Turbo S and the 991.1 Turbo S, never again.

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Feb 1, 2016 10:39:32 AM

neunelf: Senior; Loc: Switzerland; Posts: 610, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 4, 2003; Reply to: RC

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Better look at the new PCM.

http://www.worldcarfans.com/1160201103485/2017-porsche-panamera-s-e-hybrid-prototype-has-24-mile-e-range-videos

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Feb 4, 2016 8:29:56 PM

Rotbart: Junior; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 91, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 16, 2014; Reply to: neunelf

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I think, it fits here, Auto Motor & Sport has spy shots of the Panamera "Shooting Brake" aka "Sport Turismo" http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/bilder/erlkoenig-porsche-panamera-shooting-brake-2017-bilder-daten-preise-8625887.html

Erlkönig Porsche Panamera Shooting Brake

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Feb 4, 2016 9:03:55 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: Rotbart

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And people complain that the FF is ugly!

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Feb 4, 2016 9:11:18 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: crayphile

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Camo'd obviously, but the Panamera will always be ugly. Just make a fucking wagon and call it a day. I'd rather have a good looking wagon than an ugly hatch sedan thing.

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Feb 4, 2016 9:19:53 PM

crayphile: Rennteam Pro; Loc: England , United Kingdom; Posts: 2861, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 16, 2004; Reply to: noone1

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noone1:
Camo'd obviously, but the Panamera will always be ugly.

Agreed, but there is hope. The Cayenne started off really ugly and I think the Macan will help it get much better.

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Feb 4, 2016 9:27:53 PM

noone1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Los Angeles , United States; Posts: 5587, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 20, 2009; Reply to: crayphile

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crayphile:
noone1:
Camo'd obviously, but the Panamera will always be ugly.

Agreed, but there is hope. The Cayenne started off really ugly and I think the Macan will help it get much better.

I don't think there is any hope for this segment of car. It's just not an appealing size/shape as far as modern culture is concerned.

A7 is ugly, Panamera is ugly, FF is ugly.

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Feb 4, 2016 10:45:21 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: noone1

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I don't think it is ugly, but I do think its market potential is limited. As a four door vehicle, the Cayenne is more useful and at least as comfortable. There is a luxury sedan market, but competition is fierce. On the other hand, Porsche knows its niches well, and will plan production to match it.

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Feb 5, 2016 12:47:23 AM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Wonderbar

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Don't really care how the Panamera looks... First they need to make it fun to drive and then they need to lower the price by 30%...

The FF design is a love hate thing. I love the shape most hate. What I don't like the the recessed rear light area but I could live with it because the car is so good, on another planet. There simply is no other car like it. I would have one right now but can't let go the manual 612... Anyhow the facelift is supposed to fix a lot of the FF design elements...

The A7? Boring. And they botched the Continental GT exterior redesign,

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Feb 5, 2016 2:14:33 AM

Whoopsy: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Vancouver,BC , Canada; Posts: 16151, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 19, 2006; Reply to: SciFrog

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Lol, that highly sculptured rear lights area is the one I liked the best. It's very Italian, very bold and iconic. Very different than every other car where the designers went generic and just slap some lights onto sheetmetal.

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Feb 5, 2016 7:32:40 AM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: Rotbart

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Rotbart:
I think, it fits here, Auto Motor & Sport has spy shots of the Panamera "Shooting Brake" aka "Sport Turismo" http://www.auto-motor-und-sport.de/bilder/erlkoenig-porsche-panamera-shooting-brake-2017-bilder-daten-preise-8625887.html

Smiley a shooting brake would sell very well in Europe

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Feb 5, 2016 9:48:37 AM

993Targa: Rennteam Pro; Loc: ZH , Switzerland; Posts: 2522, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2004; Reply to: 993Targa

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Love it, a poor man's FF Smiley

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