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SoCal Alan:

Mithras:

JimFlat6:

Less than thirty days until AL Gore's prediction of global warming causing a planetary crisis comes true. Check your air conditioning! 

November 2015 was the world's warmest November in recorded weather history, according to figures released by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

The high temperatures continue a trend that's likely to establish 2015 as the warmest year ever recorded.

The global average temperature last month was warmer by 1.05 degrees Celsius than the overall average global temperature for the years 1880-2015, according to the Land-Ocean Temperature Index published by NASA. That marks only the second time the monthly index has climbed more than 1 degree above the average since 1880, which was when record-keeping began. The first time it happened was the month prior, in October of this year, when the global average temperature was 1.06 C above the average. The years 2011-2015 have been the warmest five-year period ever recorded.

Mithras, if the temperature should fall in the coming months or years, will that change your views on warming?

Of course. Global warming isn't just mankind's fault, in earth's history we've had ice ages and times when antarctica was as temperate as most of africa is now.

Personally I think we're making a naturally occuring phenomena  worse through greenhouse gasses. Those semantics don't help the Maldives that might be underwater in a few decades though...

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Whoopsy:

Atzporsche:

 

Nick, you know better than that surely. How are you so negative about Obama? 
 

 

Please look back at 7 coming 8 years of his reign. Everything he did is either fucked up already or going to be fucked up.

He is so clueless about society that he doesn't know the consequences of his 'actions'. He never really studied or consider all possibilities. Everything he touches turned into shit, not gold. 

ObamaCare? There has to be 10s if not hundreds of people telling him that funding for the system cannot be sustained, showing as the short fall of money right now. 

Iran? What else did he expect? Peace in the Middle East? Right.

The Mexican gun scandal. Seriously does he not expect the guns will come right back into America? He cannot be that naive.

Fight against terrorism. Drones, aircrafts can never win wars. Boots on the ground is the only way to take and hold territories. This is the most basic warfare lesson, i.e. Warfare 101. Aerial assault/support is just that, support, for the ground troops, airplanes cannot hold territories. Well there is one episode in history that aerial attack won a war, that was the atomic bombs, but Obama is too gutless to use it.

I could go on and on. But the only successful thing he did was to divide the country into a big mess that has no hope of ever reconcile in the future. He might as well rename USA into DSA,  the Divided States of America. 

Obama is only there because of his skin colour, and the rockstar-ish campaign that he ran. He talked a big game but don't have tiniest ability to back up his big mouth. I said that and I am not even white. 

Obama is that spoiled trust fund kid that somehow got control of the board and became CEO. The company can only go downhill, not up. 

Take a step back, or 2, and looked at the big picture and see what he did. I am more liberal than you think, as I don't consider myself aligning with the Republicans on most views, well neither do I with the Democrats. 

+1 you go Whoopsy. Nice summary. I'm not a republican but certainly a good conservative. Small government seems to be the solution. Trump also seems to be the only one who can and will deliver on this promise. 

Seriously, guys, stop, my cheeks are hurting from the laughing.  

Whoopsy:

 

He is so clueless about society that he doesn't know the consequences of his 'actions'. He never really studied or consider all possibilities. Everything he touches turned into shit, not gold. 

I could go on and on. But the only successful thing he did was to divide the country into a big mess that has no hope of ever reconcile in the future. He might as well rename USA into DSA,  the Divided States of America. 

Trump is only there because of the rockstar-ish campaign that he ran. He talked a big game but don't have tiniest ability to back up his big mouth.  

Trump is that spoiled trust fund kid that somehow got control of the board and became CEO. The company can only go downhill, not up. 

God help us all if he wins. Honestly when is the last time a truly good, respectable and CAPABLE person ran for the US Presidency?

Past-President, Porsche Club of America - Upper Canada Region

You put way to much emphasis on the President. You are attributing things to him that he really can't control.

Do you think he literally put together the entire operation? Do you think he's the one doing all the tactical analysis in the ME? Imagine that -- economic, military, and environmental decisions are all voted on by people who probably have no real knowledge of anything.

The US government is more or less a mess, filled with career politicians rather than scientists and people with real skills and education. That one of the nice things about some less free places like China -- they get shit done.

Let's take a survey. Would you trade freedom for 'getting things done'?  Hmmm. Maybe not. 

Mithras:

 

Honestly when is the last time a truly good, respectable and CAPABLE person ran for the US Presidency?

They don't run for Presidency period. That post is reserved for scumbags.

Leawood911:

Let's take a survey. Would you trade freedom for 'getting things done'?  Hmmm. Maybe not. 

That's your problem -- you equate one freedom to all freedoms. China isn't without freedom. It offers most of the same ones you enjoy. There are certain freedoms I'd gladly trade for "getting things done."
 

Question for all you 2nd amendment diehards: Why aren't you up in arms about your inability to get modern machine guns?

SoCal Alan:

Atzporsche:

Mithras:

JimFlat6:

Less than thirty days until AL Gore's prediction of global warming causing a planetary crisis comes true. Check your air conditioning! 

November 2015 was the world's warmest November in recorded weather history, according to figures released by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

The high temperatures continue a trend that's likely to establish 2015 as the warmest year ever recorded.

The global average temperature last month was warmer by 1.05 degrees Celsius than the overall average global temperature for the years 1880-2015, according to the Land-Ocean Temperature Index published by NASA. That marks only the second time the monthly index has climbed more than 1 degree above the average since 1880, which was when record-keeping began. The first time it happened was the month prior, in October of this year, when the global average temperature was 1.06 C above the average. The years 2011-2015 have been the warmest five-year period ever recorded.

Yep, but it's all a conspiracy and "follow the money" explains the epic cover ups  

"The International Energy Agency estimated in a recent report that the world needs to spend $359 trillion between now and 2050 to avoid catastrophic climate change."

That's $7 trillion a year.  Where do I sign up to get some of this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stop-climate-change-cost_56532267e4b0879a5b0b8a1b

First you have to believe in it  Endless places to make a buck from this, America is still where you can make that dream come true like no other country in place! 

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Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944

noone1:

Question for all you 2nd amendment diehards: Why aren't you up in arms about your inability to get modern machine guns?

Don't argue with them, that's not their strong suit 

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Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944

Leawood911:

Whoopsy:

Atzporsche:

 

Nick, you know better than that surely. How are you so negative about Obama? 
 

 

Please look back at 7 coming 8 years of his reign. Everything he did is either fucked up already or going to be fucked up.

He is so clueless about society that he doesn't know the consequences of his 'actions'. He never really studied or consider all possibilities. Everything he touches turned into shit, not gold. 

ObamaCare? There has to be 10s if not hundreds of people telling him that funding for the system cannot be sustained, showing as the short fall of money right now. 

Iran? What else did he expect? Peace in the Middle East? Right.

The Mexican gun scandal. Seriously does he not expect the guns will come right back into America? He cannot be that naive.

Fight against terrorism. Drones, aircrafts can never win wars. Boots on the ground is the only way to take and hold territories. This is the most basic warfare lesson, i.e. Warfare 101. Aerial assault/support is just that, support, for the ground troops, airplanes cannot hold territories. Well there is one episode in history that aerial attack won a war, that was the atomic bombs, but Obama is too gutless to use it.

I could go on and on. But the only successful thing he did was to divide the country into a big mess that has no hope of ever reconcile in the future. He might as well rename USA into DSA,  the Divided States of America. 

Obama is only there because of his skin colour, and the rockstar-ish campaign that he ran. He talked a big game but don't have tiniest ability to back up his big mouth. I said that and I am not even white. 

Obama is that spoiled trust fund kid that somehow got control of the board and became CEO. The company can only go downhill, not up. 

Take a step back, or 2, and looked at the big picture and see what he did. I am more liberal than you think, as I don't consider myself aligning with the Republicans on most views, well neither do I with the Democrats. 

+1 you go Whoopsy. Nice summary. I'm not a republican but certainly a good conservative. Small government seems to be the solution. Trump also seems to be the only one who can and will deliver on this promise. 

That we can agree on certainly! But I have to disagree with all the negativity, every president has a laundry list of the above, Bush was actually MUCH worse if you'll remember. WMD? Fuck up of this century.. 

Some of Obama's legacies will be: 
- Ending Iraq War
- Auto industry rescue 
- Health Care Reform
- Reformed crazy sectors of finance (loans, credit cards etc..) 
- Huge civil rights improvements (ended Bush torture BS) 
- Greatly improved Americas image on intl stage!!!

His worst from my view: 
- Did not best respond to the financial crisis, could have done more to help the housing market
- Has not curbed unemployment and wages issues (minimum was raised?) 
- Did not address global warming enough (well, most of the US population doesn't get this part anyways) 
- Still involved in way too many wars, not pulled out entirely.. like you say, there won't be peace in the middle east... 

Anyways, none is this opinion does in any way, shape or form somehow justify a Trump from running for presidency.
 

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Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944

Atzporsche:

 

That we can agree on certainly! But I have to disagree with all the negativity, every president has a laundry list of the above, Bush was actually MUCH worse if you'll remember. WMD? Fuck up of this century.. 

Some of Obama's legacies will be: 
- Ending Iraq War
- Auto industry rescue 
- Health Care Reform
- Reformed crazy sectors of finance (loans, credit cards etc..) 
- Huge civil rights improvements (ended Bush torture BS) 
- Greatly improved Americas image on intl stage!!!

His worst from my view: 
- Did not best respond to the financial crisis, could have done more to help the housing market
- Has not curbed unemployment and wages issues (minimum was raised?) 
- Did not address global warming enough (well, most of the US population doesn't get this part anyways) 
- Still involved in way too many wars, not pulled out entirely.. like you say, there won't be peace in the middle east... 

Anyways, none is this opinion does in any way, shape or form somehow justify a Trump from running for presidency.

Ending the Iraq war was a big mistake. It destabilized the whole Middle East and got us into the current mess in the first place.

Auto bail out perhaps one of the good thing he did. 

Healthcare reform is the Obamacare mess they have right now, he fucked it up royally.

Financing reform wasn't a top priority compared with other pressing matter like unemployment and wages. It was just a easy credit course like in college.

Ending torture is the biggest mistake he made. Without torture, how do one squeeze intel from captives? Feed them prime rib until they decide to talk? The government will never get anything out of terrorists without torture, those crazies will just sit there all day without talking. 

Improve Americans on the world stage? Hmm. Before him, most people refer to Americans as those cocky Americans. Now, it's those fucking Americans. Yup, that' a big improvement.

Remember he is clueless, that's why he has no answer to the financial crisis, unemployment and wage issue, he thinks everything will work if he just say so. Idiot. 

Global warming is still a under-research issue. It won't be solved until we have enough data in about 500 years at least. He is just trying to take public credit for something that's not proven true yet. 

Wars. Hmm. Some are necessary evil, some are not. History will be the judge on what's right and what's wrong.

Starting the war on BS grounds was the biggest mistake, of course pulling out is rough... so is training and arming ISIS and than wondering what happens next. I know, war sells and generates nice big profits  For those crazy gun owners out there wanting to protect themselves from their government, when will they start I wonder? If things are so bad...

What is needed the most is a complete reform of the entire political sphere. It is clearly not working at all in the US where congress is literally acting like a bunch of children and systems are so complex and inefficient at every level. (Same problem as in the EU btw). The biggest point we all agree on is that less government is better.

I wonder though, perhaps it's time for some real socialism in the US, to put Obama in perspective to all who put him in that shelf incorrectly. But what is Trump going to do about all the big problems? Can't fire everyone, can't bomb everyone, can't make others build a wall, can't ban Muslims by asking them to tick a box at the airports... oh yeah but he'll provide funding for a few veterans.. jesus christ what a platform 

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You have no clue how the US should work. Congress is not supposed to work with the President. Congress' role is primarily consent and advise. The Constitution set a system of checks and balances to keep things in check. Congress' actions are designed to move slowly. Unless, the President violates the Constitution, usurps his power and rules like a monarch, exactly what the US ran from.

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ADias:

You have no clue how the US should work. Congress is not supposed to work with the President. Congress' role is primarily consent and advise. The Constitution set a system of checks and balances to keep things in check. Congress' actions are designed to move slowly. Unless, the President violates the Constitution, usurps his power and rules like a monarch, exactly what the US ran from.

2005 997S Blk/Blk

Don't argue. It's not our strong suit. 

It's called projection. 

noone1:

Just an FYI about communist China's governance as of late...

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should...

"China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement. Its economy has been growing so fast that, even though inequality is rising fast, extreme poverty is disappearing. China pulled 680m people out of misery in 1981-2010, and reduced its extreme-poverty rate from 84% in 1980 to 10% now."

Go spend some real time in China before you knock it. Think what you want about its lack of freedoms, but I lived there long enough to know that life in China can be no different, and in many cases better, than life in the US. You may lose freedoms in theory, but if you actually stop and think about it, very rarely do you exercise those freedoms in the first place. What they lack in certain freedoms, they make up for in other ways. And for what the US offers in certain freedoms, it fails miserably in other ways.

No country is perfect, but at least Obama can acknowledge some of the positive aspects of China.

Now I certainly cannot take you serious anymore. I guess you lived as a foreigner in China, not as a citizen? Big difference. What you can see in China is the official picture the communist establishment wants you to see. Everything else happens in the shadows, far away from the media and from foreigners living a good life in China. Trust me, China is not even close to what you just wrote here. It is just an impression you got while you were living there. As a friend who worked there as a diplomat once told me: China is a master of props, if you get my point. 

Even wealthy people can disappear over night and not even the family knows what happened to them.

This is the dangerous illusion of China, the illusion of a market economy driven country which seems to have blossomed in the past. Everything you experienced was staged and directed and everything could change over night without a warning. This is why clever Chinese move a good part of their wealth away from China and try to establish a parallel or second life, just in case...

--

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Whoopsy:

Atzporsche:

 

That we can agree on certainly! But I have to disagree with all the negativity, every president has a laundry list of the above, Bush was actually MUCH worse if you'll remember. WMD? Fuck up of this century.. 

Some of Obama's legacies will be: 
- Ending Iraq War
- Auto industry rescue 
- Health Care Reform
- Reformed crazy sectors of finance (loans, credit cards etc..) 
- Huge civil rights improvements (ended Bush torture BS) 
- Greatly improved Americas image on intl stage!!!

His worst from my view: 
- Did not best respond to the financial crisis, could have done more to help the housing market
- Has not curbed unemployment and wages issues (minimum was raised?) 
- Did not address global warming enough (well, most of the US population doesn't get this part anyways) 
- Still involved in way too many wars, not pulled out entirely.. like you say, there won't be peace in the middle east... 

Anyways, none is this opinion does in any way, shape or form somehow justify a Trump from running for presidency.

 

Ending the Iraq war was a big mistake. It destabilized the whole Middle East and got us into the current mess in the first place.

Very well said. Too soon and the US needed much more troops on the ground to establish a working government and people who actually trust that government. Many US generals asked for more troops but neither Bush nor Obama wanted to grant that wish. Oh well...

Auto bail out perhaps one of the good thing he did. 

Certainly a good thing. Huge industry. Very important in the US and also very important for the US identity. 

Healthcare reform is the Obamacare mess they have right now, he fucked it up royally.

He should have taken a look at Germany (or asked me ). Americans have way too romantic thoughts of how the social and health care system in Europe/Germany works. I prefer paying more to get the health care I want.

Financing reform wasn't a top priority compared with other pressing matter like unemployment and wages. It was just a easy credit course like in college.

Agreed.

Ending torture is the biggest mistake he made. Without torture, how do one squeeze intel from captives? Feed them prime rib until they decide to talk? The government will never get anything out of terrorists without torture, those crazies will just sit there all day without talking. 

Ending torture may have been a mistake but either you respect the laws or you don't. This is a slippery slope and a thin red line you need to cross. Maybe the US should have established a law permitting torture under "extreme circumstances", for example when a terror attack may be imminent. Not sure however how this would work with the Geneva convention and all... Not an easy decision, especially since the media would make a big deal out of it.

Improve Americans on the world stage? Hmm. Before him, most people refer to Americans as those cocky Americans. Now, it's those fucking Americans. Yup, that' a big improvement.

True. Americans never had such a bad image worldwide as they have now. Obama certainly didn't improve anything to improve the image of the USA, especially the NSA affair was a total disaster.

Remember he is clueless, that's why he has no answer to the financial crisis, unemployment and wage issue, he thinks everything will work if he just say so. Idiot. 

He was letting the experts do their jobs, never really cared because he never really understood. True.

Global warming is still a under-research issue. It won't be solved until we have enough data in about 500 years at least. He is just trying to take public credit for something that's not proven true yet. 

He is trying to set a legacy in many different domains, incl. climate change and gun control.

Wars. Hmm. Some are necessary evil, some are not. History will be the judge on what's right and what's wrong.

 

True. At some point however, wars are inevitable. How could the US not react to 9/11? We all also know now that oil had nothing to do with it. How much oil did the US steal from Iraq? How much contracts did US companies achieve in Iraq? Exactly. Whoever says that the US started the wars in the Middle East for oil, is an idiot. 

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RC:

noone1:

Just an FYI about communist China's governance as of late...

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should...

"China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement. Its economy has been growing so fast that, even though inequality is rising fast, extreme poverty is disappearing. China pulled 680m people out of misery in 1981-2010, and reduced its extreme-poverty rate from 84% in 1980 to 10% now."

Go spend some real time in China before you knock it. Think what you want about its lack of freedoms, but I lived there long enough to know that life in China can be no different, and in many cases better, than life in the US. You may lose freedoms in theory, but if you actually stop and think about it, very rarely do you exercise those freedoms in the first place. What they lack in certain freedoms, they make up for in other ways. And for what the US offers in certain freedoms, it fails miserably in other ways.

No country is perfect, but at least Obama can acknowledge some of the positive aspects of China.

Now I certainly cannot take you serious anymore. I guess you lived as a foreigner in China, not as a citizen? Big difference. What you can see in China is the official picture the communist establishment wants you to see. Everything else happens in the shadows, far away from the media and from foreigners living a good life in China. Trust me, China is not even close to what you just wrote here. It is just an impression you got while you were living there. As a friend who worked there as a diplomat once told me: China is a master of props, if you get my point. 

Even wealthy people can disappear over night and not even the family knows what happened to them.

This is the dangerous illusion of China, the illusion of a market economy driven country which seems to have blossomed in the past. Everything you experienced was staged and directed and everything could change over night without a warning. This is why clever Chinese move a good part of their wealth away from China and try to establish a parallel or second life, just in case...

--

 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

 

So I'll tell that to my Chinese national friends as well, right? Shall I tell my friend's wives and families that they are living a charade and have no idea what's going on?

The people know exactly what's going on. They know the freedoms they have and the freedoms they don't. It's not some big secret. Even the people in North Korea know exactly what's going on. These countries aren't full of idiots. In China everyone is just out to make a living and a life.

noone1:

RC:

noone1:

Just an FYI about communist China's governance as of late...

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should...

"China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement. Its economy has been growing so fast that, even though inequality is rising fast, extreme poverty is disappearing. China pulled 680m people out of misery in 1981-2010, and reduced its extreme-poverty rate from 84% in 1980 to 10% now."

Go spend some real time in China before you knock it. Think what you want about its lack of freedoms, but I lived there long enough to know that life in China can be no different, and in many cases better, than life in the US. You may lose freedoms in theory, but if you actually stop and think about it, very rarely do you exercise those freedoms in the first place. What they lack in certain freedoms, they make up for in other ways. And for what the US offers in certain freedoms, it fails miserably in other ways.

No country is perfect, but at least Obama can acknowledge some of the positive aspects of China.

Now I certainly cannot take you serious anymore. I guess you lived as a foreigner in China, not as a citizen? Big difference. What you can see in China is the official picture the communist establishment wants you to see. Everything else happens in the shadows, far away from the media and from foreigners living a good life in China. Trust me, China is not even close to what you just wrote here. It is just an impression you got while you were living there. As a friend who worked there as a diplomat once told me: China is a master of props, if you get my point. 

Even wealthy people can disappear over night and not even the family knows what happened to them.

This is the dangerous illusion of China, the illusion of a market economy driven country which seems to have blossomed in the past. Everything you experienced was staged and directed and everything could change over night without a warning. This is why clever Chinese move a good part of their wealth away from China and try to establish a parallel or second life, just in case...

--

 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Carrera 4 GTS Cabriolet, Porsche Macan Turbo, Ford Mustang GT500 Shelby SVT (2014), Mini JCW (2015), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014)

 

So I'll tell that to my Chinese national friends as well, right? Shall I tell my friend's wives and families that they are living a charade and have no idea what's going on?

The people know exactly what's going on. They know the freedoms they have and the freedoms they don't. It's not some big secret. Even the people in North Korea know exactly what's going on. These countries aren't full of idiots. In China everyone is just out to make a living and a life.

What freedoms are you talking about?  What freedoms do they have in China, which we don't have here?

2005 997S Blk/Blk

noone1:

So I'll tell that to my Chinese national friends as well, right? Shall I tell my friend's wives and families that they are living a charade and have no idea what's going on?

I am pretty sure they know what is going on but I doubt they trust you enough to discuss this with you. 

The people know exactly what's going on. They know the freedoms they have and the freedoms they don't. It's not some big secret. Even the people in North Korea know exactly what's going on. These countries aren't full of idiots. In China everyone is just out to make a living and a life.

They know what is going on and they are part of the charade. Of course they do (most of them) but when you lead a (somehow) good life, you don't want to be bothered by realities which don't affect you directly and immediately. They fail to see the bigger picture here though (what happens if a new government takes over which isn't that "free" market economy friendly?). As long as China isn't a democratic country, it will always be a liability for the whole world.

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He only saved GM but in reality he even screwed that up. Shareholder got reamed the unions took a giant share and exiting owners discovered that the new GM did not really care about warranties from the old GM.  Don't even get me started on the selective closure of dealerships (those owned by conservatives)  

As soon as they could they paid back as much as possible. 

The auto bailout was just an extra expense for taxpayers. We will never know if it would have need cheaper to let the market do its thing. Certainly history and economics tell us this is the cheapest and most efficient approach. 

Bottom line is I can't think of anything positive he has done and certainly his promise to make job priority number one is a huge failure by any measure. 

Leawood911:

He only saved GM but in reality he even screwed that up. Shareholder got reamed the unions took a giant share and exiting owners discovered that the new GM did not really care about warranties from the old GM.  Don't even get me started on the selective closure of dealerships (those owned by conservatives)  

As soon as they could they paid back as much as possible. 

The auto bailout was just an extra expense for taxpayers. We will never know if it would have need cheaper to let the market do its thing. Certainly history and economics tell us this is the cheapest and most efficient approach. 

Bottom line is I can't think of anything positive he has done and certainly his promise to make job priority number one is a huge failure by any measure. 

He supported the College Football Playoffs.  That's the only thing I agreed with him, on.

2005 997S Blk/Blk

I wonder how Whoopsy feels about freedoms in China?  His silence on the topic is telling to some degree. For his safety I would not want to put words in his mouth. 

Leawood911:

I wonder how Whoopsy feels about freedoms in China?  His silence on the topic is telling to some degree. For his safety I would not want to put words in his mouth. 

Actually I did, just look up 33 posts 

I am actually with noone1 on this. The lack of 'freedom' is really not an issue in China. It is free enough. Noting really separate living in the US vs in China other than say buying and owning a gun. And China actually has the advantage of not having a clueless idiotic monkey as their President that make lives miserable for it's citizens. 

They have enough 'freedom' to do just about anything they like for their daily lives, mostly. 

Yes they may not have a choice to choose their Leader. Americans have that freedom and looked who they picked as President? 

Yes they don't quite have the freedom to express themselves politically like in the USA, but really who cares? Most people in China have no interest in politics, they'd rather concentrate their efforts on making money and getting rich. 

It is not a communist country anymore, not by a mile. It's only by name only. It is very capitalistic, but with some form of central planning, to keep stuff on track, and has the major advantage that if they want to rush something, they have the means to make the impossible possible. Have you seen that youtube video about how China can completely replace a highway overpass in 48hrs? In American 48hr is not even close to enough time to get past the negotiations with unions. Plus there are hundreds of people all with different secret agendas to delay or block whatever project is planned. Too much freedom in my books.

It is still mostly a poor country despite the number of rich people already established. But their poor people doesn't sit around all day asking for handouts like in the USA. They actively looking for work and have the urge to get better, be it education or career. They are some of the hardest working people, unlike the lazies in the USA. Yes they work for peanuts when compared to the USA wages, but that's only because of their general standard of living is so much lower. They are not a sweat shop by any means. While there are some factory owners who do cut corners and mistreat workers, those are the minority but the US media LOVED to highlight those to trash China. 

Chinese thinks differently than Americans. Americans can only see what's immediately ahead, instant gratification. The Chinese on the other hand planned for 20 steps ahead. They don't mind taking some punches or setbacks in the present time to be more prepared for the future. It's like a chess game between a master and beginner.

Thanks Whoopsy. I have always had tremendous respect for the people of China. They have worked as you describe for thousands of years and we can learn a lot about their culture. You are spot on about the lazy workers in the US. Hard work is almost vilified. I am sorry I forgot about your posts. I had seen them.  I would be a little concerned about not having elections and also a somewhat harsh justice system.  You are correct though that if you don't care about politics central planning can be much less wasteful than the US government. 

Thanks again for you insight. 

There are elections in China they just all roll up with the winners of one group electing the next group up.

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