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Not worth it.  FU 2016

Leawood911:

 

You are a moron. I don't care where he was born. It takes two citizen parents to be natural born. He told us himself that was not the case. Do you understand that fact?  Just because they claim natural born is not defined and complete fools trust that words are not defined and have no meaning does not make it so. 

If you want to argue that I am not correct in calling him illegal why don't you just once get the facts of my very simple argument right?  Is it because you don't have an argument to go with this fact so you just argue that I said something totally different. That makes no sense at all but then again I would expect that. 

Let me be clear -  his father was not an American citizen when Obama was born and in fact he never became one. If you have something about his father he has not told us then chime in otherwise stupid comments about his birth certificate (which is totally fake but who give a crap) have nothing to do with reality.  It does not take history to judge your ignorant response to the facts. It takes 10 seconds of actual thought. Now try to do that. Just ten seconds. It know it must hurt. 

You may not care where he was born, but everything you are claiming applies only to people not born on American soil. I suppose this is why you and Donald Trump have this wacko theory about the birth certificate. But, the bottom line is that it just makes you insane (feel free to dispute the precise causality) that Barack Obama has been your president for the past 7 years. Man up and deal with it, dude.

apias:

Leawood911:

 

You are a moron. I don't care where he was born. It takes two citizen parents to be natural born. He told us himself that was not the case. Do you understand that fact?  Just because they claim natural born is not defined and complete fools trust that words are not defined and have no meaning does not make it so. 

If you want to argue that I am not correct in calling him illegal why don't you just once get the facts of my very simple argument right?  Is it because you don't have an argument to go with this fact so you just argue that I said something totally different. That makes no sense at all but then again I would expect that. 

Let me be clear -  his father was not an American citizen when Obama was born and in fact he never became one. If you have something about his father he has not told us then chime in otherwise stupid comments about his birth certificate (which is totally fake but who give a crap) have nothing to do with reality.  It does not take history to judge your ignorant response to the facts. It takes 10 seconds of actual thought. Now try to do that. Just ten seconds. It know it must hurt. 

You may not care where he was born, but everything you are claiming applies only to people not born on American soil. I suppose this is why you and Donald Trump have this wacko theory about the birth certificate. But, the bottom line is that it just makes you insane (feel free to dispute the precise causality) that Barack Obama has been your president for the past 7 years. Man up and deal with it, dude.

Native born means born on American soil.  Natural born has to do with your parents' citizenship.

2005 997S Blk/Blk

Re one's eligibility for the presidency, native born trumps (no pun intended) everything else. Even the children of illegal immigrants are citizens eligible for the Presidency if they are born on US soil. Thus the "requirement" for a crazy, wacked out conspiracy theory around the birth certificate; one maintained by the Obama haters in the face of all evidence to the contrary and nothing in support of it. As pointed out, the same people often have crazy, wacked out conspiracy theories they maintain against all evidence to continue their denial of climate change science. It's all one, and it's all a symptom of an irrational, anti-scientific, anti-intellectual (even though some of them maintain a pseudo-intellectual facade) world view that opposes reality on multiple fronts.

Less than thirty days until AL Gore's prediction of global warming causing a planetary crisis comes true. Check your air conditioning! 

  LOL. I love these political threads.

Last I heard, Al Gore is not a climate scientist, so, do you have a point other than trotting out Al Gore's name as a distraction? I didn't think so.

JimFlat6:

Less than thirty days until AL Gore's prediction of global warming causing a planetary crisis comes true. Check your air conditioning! 

I think Jim is trying to find out who has a sense of humour. 

2005 997S Blk/Blk

JimFlat6:

Less than thirty days until AL Gore's prediction of global warming causing a planetary crisis comes true. Check your air conditioning! 

November 2015 was the world's warmest November in recorded weather history, according to figures released by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

The high temperatures continue a trend that's likely to establish 2015 as the warmest year ever recorded.

The global average temperature last month was warmer by 1.05 degrees Celsius than the overall average global temperature for the years 1880-2015, according to the Land-Ocean Temperature Index published by NASA. That marks only the second time the monthly index has climbed more than 1 degree above the average since 1880, which was when record-keeping began. The first time it happened was the month prior, in October of this year, when the global average temperature was 1.06 C above the average. The years 2011-2015 have been the warmest five-year period ever recorded.

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apias:

Last I heard, Al Gore is not a climate scientist, so, do you have a point other than trotting out Al Gore's name as a distraction? I didn't think so.

Al Gore is the father of the global warming ,/climate change cult. It was his documentary film, a inconvenient truth , that popularized the issue. If you are not aware of that, then a sheltered low information life you must lead. And it was he and his select band of scientists that ten years ago predicted a doomsday planetary crisis beginning in February 2016.  Of course it's also convenient for his pop science believers to forget or deny that. 

JimFlat6:

 

Al Gore is the father of the global warming ,/climate change cult.

Right, "climate change cult" because there's a global conspiracy among tens of thousands of climate scientists to steal your money by perpetrating a "climate change hoax" on the public, and they are all in on it -- all of them except the small handful who are paid by the fossil fuel industry, that is.

Credible explanation, Jim, very credible.

Only three more weeks for al Gore's prediction of a planetary disaster to happen so get ready!  

Today Obama praised communist China's gun laws saying that a mass shooting couldn't happen there. Nice to hear him express solidarity with such a peaceful regime .   

Until mid 2014 the police in Shanghai didn't carry guns.

Do you honestly think that would, not be possible, that would be preposterous, but even conceivable in ANY city in the US (let alone in a region with 24 million people)?

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SoCal Alan:

apias:

Leawood911:

 

You are a moron. I don't care where he was born. It takes two citizen parents to be natural born. He told us himself that was not the case. Do you understand that fact?  Just because they claim natural born is not defined and complete fools trust that words are not defined and have no meaning does not make it so. 

If you want to argue that I am not correct in calling him illegal why don't you just once get the facts of my very simple argument right?  Is it because you don't have an argument to go with this fact so you just argue that I said something totally different. That makes no sense at all but then again I would expect that. 

Let me be clear -  his father was not an American citizen when Obama was born and in fact he never became one. If you have something about his father he has not told us then chime in otherwise stupid comments about his birth certificate (which is totally fake but who give a crap) have nothing to do with reality.  It does not take history to judge your ignorant response to the facts. It takes 10 seconds of actual thought. Now try to do that. Just ten seconds. It know it must hurt. 

You may not care where he was born, but everything you are claiming applies only to people not born on American soil. I suppose this is why you and Donald Trump have this wacko theory about the birth certificate. But, the bottom line is that it just makes you insane (feel free to dispute the precise causality) that Barack Obama has been your president for the past 7 years. Man up and deal with it, dude.

Native born means born on American soil.  Natural born has to do with your parents' citizenship.

He will never understand that all words matter. He simply chooses to equate native born so why bother. He is not trying to learn anything he is just annoying.   And personally I don't need to accept bullshit from anyone. Even Obama. Him in prison would make me feel better. Until then I am pleased as punch to think of anyone who supports him as a complete fool. Cheers

The entire talk about a birth certificate is proof that many people can't think for themselves and rely on old pieces of paper -- and I'm not talking about the Bible -- to do the thinking for them, much like they preach the 2nd amendment.

While it may be the law, if you care about the nationality (or species for that matter LOL) of someone who's running for president, you're a moron. If someone shows up and blows your mind with their forward ideas, values, and intelligence, you'd be stupid not to vote for them just because it's not a US native citizen.

The idea behind that is to not get a president whose political judgement would be impaired by his having undue sentiment for another country. .

As we saw today, Obama whose father actually was a alcoholic Kenyan Marxistr , praised the legal system and lack of freedoms in communist China over the US.

Just an FYI about communist China's governance as of late...

http://www.economist.com/news/leaders/21578665-nearly-1-billion-people-have-been-taken-out-extreme-poverty-20-years-world-should...

"China (which has never shown any interest in MDGs) is responsible for three-quarters of the achievement. Its economy has been growing so fast that, even though inequality is rising fast, extreme poverty is disappearing. China pulled 680m people out of misery in 1981-2010, and reduced its extreme-poverty rate from 84% in 1980 to 10% now."

Go spend some real time in China before you knock it. Think what you want about its lack of freedoms, but I lived there long enough to know that life in China can be no different, and in many cases better, than life in the US. You may lose freedoms in theory, but if you actually stop and think about it, very rarely do you exercise those freedoms in the first place. What they lack in certain freedoms, they make up for in other ways. And for what the US offers in certain freedoms, it fails miserably in other ways.

No country is perfect, but at least Obama can acknowledge some of the positive aspects of China.

JimFlat6:

The idea behind that is to not get a president whose political judgement would be impaired by his having undue sentiment for another country...

That is the least of my worries about leadership. If some guy has a soft spot for France or Canada, so be it. Everyone will be biased by something personal, be it another country, an industry, a passion...

Like I said, I'd rather hear from an intelligent guy with a hard-on for baguettes and wine than Donald Trump. In the end, the people will vote and that's all that matters. If the people trust someone, so be it. If they trust a foreign national, so be it.

It just goes to show how dated and flawed many of these old laws and ideas are.

You are in Lala land.  How many millions of Chinese were murdered during the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s by the still ruling communist party???  Seen any trials for the murderers? You like their commercial and criminal justice system? You like live prisoners getting their organs removed? A total captive monitored internet?  No democracy, free speech etc.Go for it, China is just a wonderful place ! 

Yes, let's hold all of China and its current leaders responsible for everything from when they were practically children. Xi Jinping was born in 1953 LOL.

Did you forget what happened in the US and Germany in the 20th century as well? Perhaps you forgot WW2, or maybe in 1957 when the US Army escorted black students into now integrated schools. Did you forget about segregation entirely? Did you forget about slavery and the civil war?

American history is dark, much like the rest of the world. Dwell on it all you want.

See, unlike you, I lived in China for long enough to know what it's like. I know many people, very wealthy people of US/European nationality that choose to live there when they could be living anywhere in the "free" world that you speak so highly of.

You talk about it as if you're some anti-government activist whose human rights and livelihood are infringed upon daily rather than the reality of it -- a guy on a car forum who just goes about his daily life as a consumer in a more or less capitalist society.

noone1:

Yes, let's hold all of China and its current leaders responsible for everything from when they were practically children. Xi Jinping was born in 1953 LOL.

Did you forget what happened in the US and Germany in the 20th century as well? Perhaps you forgot WW2, or maybe in 1957 when the US Army escorted black students into now integrated schools. Did you forget about segregation entirely? Did you forget about slavery and the civil war?

American history is dark, much like the rest of the world. Dwell on it all you want.

See, unlike you, I lived in China for long enough to know what it's like. I know many people, very wealthy people of US/European nationality that choose to live there when they could be living anywhere in the "free" world that you speak so highly of.

You talk about it as if you're some anti-government activist whose human rights and livelihood are infringed upon daily rather than the reality of it -- a guy on a car forum who just goes about his daily life as a consumer in a more or less capitalist society.

Were you born in the United States?

2005 997S Blk/Blk

Yes, of course.

I am actually with noone1 on this. The lack of 'freedom' is really not an issue in China. It is free enough. Noting really separate living in the US vs in China other than say buying and owning a gun. And China actually has the advantage of not having a clueless idiotic monkey as their President that make lives miserable for it's citizens. 

Mithras:

JimFlat6:

Less than thirty days until AL Gore's prediction of global warming causing a planetary crisis comes true. Check your air conditioning! 

November 2015 was the world's warmest November in recorded weather history, according to figures released by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

The high temperatures continue a trend that's likely to establish 2015 as the warmest year ever recorded.

The global average temperature last month was warmer by 1.05 degrees Celsius than the overall average global temperature for the years 1880-2015, according to the Land-Ocean Temperature Index published by NASA. That marks only the second time the monthly index has climbed more than 1 degree above the average since 1880, which was when record-keeping began. The first time it happened was the month prior, in October of this year, when the global average temperature was 1.06 C above the average. The years 2011-2015 have been the warmest five-year period ever recorded.

Yep, but it's all a conspiracy and "follow the money" explains the epic cover ups  

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Whoopsy:

I am actually with noone1 on this. The lack of 'freedom' is really not an issue in China. It is free enough. Noting really separate living in the US vs in China other than say buying and owning a gun. And China actually has the advantage of not having a clueless idiotic monkey as their President that make lives miserable for it's citizens. 

 

Nick, you know better than that surely. How are you so negative about Obama? 

Also, China is plenty of free, but surely they aren't entirely happy with their corrupt government.. there are lots of social unrest points brewing in the background which could bite China in the butt.. however, this is true for the EU and definitely the US too.. 

Back to topic, I think Obama's speech was very powerful today! Hard to see how people can cry about this action or how it can make anyone's live miserable.. 

Watch for those of  you who missed it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJCiDrqjjz8

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Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944

Sorry, it's still a police state, albeit a rich one. 

Atzporsche:

Whoopsy:

I am actually with noone1 on this. The lack of 'freedom' is really not an issue in China. It is free enough. Noting really separate living in the US vs in China other than say buying and owning a gun. And China actually has the advantage of not having a clueless idiotic monkey as their President that make lives miserable for it's citizens. 

 

Nick, you know better than that surely. How are you so negative about Obama? 

Also, China is plenty of free, but surely they aren't entirely happy with their corrupt government.. there are lots of social unrest points brewing in the background which could bite China in the butt.. however, this is true for the EU and definitely the US too.. 

Back to topic, I think Obama's speech was very powerful today! Hard to see how people can cry about this action or how it can make anyone's live miserable.. 

Watch for those of  you who missed it:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZJCiDrqjjz8

I'm not surprised you enjoyed his speech and don't see a problem with it. 

It is not worth arguing with or debating you. FU 2016

by the way if you want to see how corruption can destroy watch Making a murderer and let me know if there are really no conspiracy plots. 

Atzporsche:

Mithras:

JimFlat6:

Less than thirty days until AL Gore's prediction of global warming causing a planetary crisis comes true. Check your air conditioning! 

November 2015 was the world's warmest November in recorded weather history, according to figures released by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

The high temperatures continue a trend that's likely to establish 2015 as the warmest year ever recorded.

The global average temperature last month was warmer by 1.05 degrees Celsius than the overall average global temperature for the years 1880-2015, according to the Land-Ocean Temperature Index published by NASA. That marks only the second time the monthly index has climbed more than 1 degree above the average since 1880, which was when record-keeping began. The first time it happened was the month prior, in October of this year, when the global average temperature was 1.06 C above the average. The years 2011-2015 have been the warmest five-year period ever recorded.

Yep, but it's all a conspiracy and "follow the money" explains the epic cover ups  

"The International Energy Agency estimated in a recent report that the world needs to spend $359 trillion between now and 2050 to avoid catastrophic climate change."

That's $7 trillion a year.  Where do I sign up to get some of this?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/stop-climate-change-cost_56532267e4b0879a5b0b8a1b

2005 997S Blk/Blk

Mithras:

JimFlat6:

Less than thirty days until AL Gore's prediction of global warming causing a planetary crisis comes true. Check your air conditioning! 

November 2015 was the world's warmest November in recorded weather history, according to figures released by NASA's Goddard Space Flight Center.

The high temperatures continue a trend that's likely to establish 2015 as the warmest year ever recorded.

The global average temperature last month was warmer by 1.05 degrees Celsius than the overall average global temperature for the years 1880-2015, according to the Land-Ocean Temperature Index published by NASA. That marks only the second time the monthly index has climbed more than 1 degree above the average since 1880, which was when record-keeping began. The first time it happened was the month prior, in October of this year, when the global average temperature was 1.06 C above the average. The years 2011-2015 have been the warmest five-year period ever recorded.

Mithras, if the temperature should fall in the coming months or years, will that change your views on warming?

2005 997S Blk/Blk

Atzporsche:

 

Nick, you know better than that surely. How are you so negative about Obama? 
 

Please look back at 7 coming 8 years of his reign. Everything he did is either fucked up already or going to be fucked up.

He is so clueless about society that he doesn't know the consequences of his 'actions'. He never really studied or consider all possibilities. Everything he touches turned into shit, not gold. 

ObamaCare? There has to be 10s if not hundreds of people telling him that funding for the system cannot be sustained, showing as the short fall of money right now. 

Iran? What else did he expect? Peace in the Middle East? Right.

The Mexican gun scandal. Seriously does he not expect the guns will come right back into America? He cannot be that naive.

Fight against terrorism. Drones, aircrafts can never win wars. Boots on the ground is the only way to take and hold territories. This is the most basic warfare lesson, i.e. Warfare 101. Aerial assault/support is just that, support, for the ground troops, airplanes cannot hold territories. Well there is one episode in history that aerial attack won a war, that was the atomic bombs, but Obama is too gutless to use it.

I could go on and on. But the only successful thing he did was to divide the country into a big mess that has no hope of ever reconcile in the future. He might as well rename USA into DSA,  the Divided States of America. 

Obama is only there because of his skin colour, and the rockstar-ish campaign that he ran. He talked a big game but don't have tiniest ability to back up his big mouth. I said that and I am not even white. 

Obama is that spoiled trust fund kid that somehow got control of the board and became CEO. The company can only go downhill, not up. 

Take a step back, or 2, and looked at the big picture and see what he did. I am more liberal than you think, as I don't consider myself aligning with the Republicans on most views, well neither do I with the Democrats.