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Aug 14, 2015 1:27:08 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002

Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

Apparently, our 911 (and Boxster/Cayman) aren't really safe (anymore) from car thieves.

https://www.usenix.org/sites/default/files/sec15_supplement.pdf

If this gets out (and it will soon...), say good-bye to your vehicle security.

I am pretty sure there will be some interesting reports soon in the press.

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Aug 14, 2015 1:51:00 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: RC

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

This was in the news in the netherlands last week. The university/workgroup that researched thus informed the manufacturers in advance. Rather than thanking them and taking action, they filed a lawsuit against the university...
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Aug 14, 2015 4:20:52 PM

apias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: United States , United States; Posts: 2608, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2013; Reply to: Joost

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

Hopefully, this and other recent reports will wake up the auto industry to ditch their pseudo-security and get serious about it.

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Aug 14, 2015 4:57:10 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: apias

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

Do I go to Germany or Spain to pick up the 911 GTS that I couldn't justify paying cash for? Do I want black cabrio or red coupe? Smiley

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Aug 14, 2015 9:56:08 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

This article offers an easier read of the same information Smiley :

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-08-14/vw-has-spent-two-years-trying-to-hide-a-big-security-flaw

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Aug 15, 2015 5:20:53 AM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: fritz

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

Panic, panic!

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Aug 15, 2015 8:36:22 AM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

dreamcar:
Do I go to Germany or Spain to pick up the 911 GTS that I couldn't justify paying cash for? Do I want black cabrio or red coupe?

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Smiley Smiley

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Aug 15, 2015 10:24:16 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

Apparently this should help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgcs_KjwbJE

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Aug 16, 2015 1:17:50 AM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: Lars997

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

There will come a day when everything is connected to the web and when deviant people can blow up cars or planes , burn down homes, explode biomechanical monitoring or therapeutic devices of all types implanted or attched in our bodies , etc., etc., - either individually or en masse - all of which are first sold and bought eagerly as smart devices to " make our lives easier and healthier " .

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Aug 16, 2015 6:11:15 PM

W8MM: Rennteam Master; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 3993, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 8, 2003; Reply to: MKW

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

MKW:
There will come a day when everything is connected to the web and when deviant people can blow up cars or planes , burn down homes, explode biomechanical monitoring or therapeutic devices of all types implanted or attched in our bodies , etc., etc., - either individually or en masse - all of which are first sold and bought eagerly as smart devices to " make our lives easier and healthier " .

Yup! It's already here. Just ask the Iranian centrifuge guys about Stuxnet Smiley

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Aug 16, 2015 6:43:32 PM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: W8MM

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

W8MM:
MKW:
There will come a day when everything is connected to the web and when deviant people can blow up cars or planes , burn down homes, explode biomechanical monitoring or therapeutic devices of all types implanted or attched in our bodies , etc., etc., - either individually or en masse - all of which are first sold and bought eagerly as smart devices to " make our lives easier and healthier " .

Yup! It's already here. Just ask the Iranian centrifuge guys about Stuxnet

Or the recent story of a company that makes IV medication / fluid infusion pumps used widely in hospitals that recalled them after it was shown that hackers could remotely access scores of them at one time and command the units to shut off or " flood " the patients heart and lungs ...the.latter with almost immediate " silent " REALLY bad consequences

OTOH, it would be really " convenient " if a device were installed in a vehicle that overwrites a radar or lidar detector readout with a number that is the GPS determined speed limit of any road traveled !!

Smiley

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Aug 16, 2015 9:06:05 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Joost

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

Joost:
This was in the news in the netherlands last week. The university/workgroup that researched thus informed the manufacturers in advance. Rather than thanking them and taking action, they filed a lawsuit against the university...

Yes, they filed a lawsuit to prevent the publication of the method but as you can see...the .pdf is out and all the information. There is even an exploit (incl. hardware) available now using this method.

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Aug 16, 2015 9:07:20 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

bluelines:
Panic, panic!

The exploit is already available, incl. hardware. It has been shown at DefCon in Las Vegas.

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Aug 16, 2015 11:18:46 PM

apias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: United States , United States; Posts: 2608, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 23, 2013; Reply to: RC

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

I thought the authors claimed there was one key sentence redacted from the paper, without which, duplicating the exploit was exponentially more difficult. Of course, the fault here lies not with the researchers who published this but with the car companies who were using 96-bit encryption! No one (except auto makers, apparently) uses 96-bit encryption these days, and hasn't for years. Even 1024-bit encryption is now considered weak, but would make a quasi-brute force attack like this considerably more difficult.

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Dec 8, 2015 7:34:53 PM

911digital: Veteran; Loc: Staffordshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 833, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 2, 2005; Reply to: apias

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

heres a funny spoof remake

https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

Clifford ''too tough''

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I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years Smiley i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche Smiley

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Dec 9, 2015 9:45:18 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: 911digital

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

911digital:
Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

heres a funny spoof remake

https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

Clifford ''too tough''

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I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche

It seems you need to do something about it. Smiley

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Dec 9, 2015 10:48:30 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: RC

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

heart ... I was waiting for "THE MOMENT" - but never came. Why would you re-do it in such a boring way yes

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Dec 12, 2015 1:10:57 PM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7682, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: 911digital

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

911digital:
Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

heres a funny spoof remake

https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

Clifford ''too tough''

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I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche

2015 minus 2005 = 10 years! heart smiley

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Dec 14, 2015 10:58:46 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: John H

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

John H:
911digital:
Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

heres a funny spoof remake

https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

Clifford ''too tough''

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I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche

2015 minus 2005 = 10 years!

Maybe this is why he doesn't have a Porsche yet? Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Dec 14, 2015 1:52:01 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

RC:
John H:
911digital:
Have you seen charlie sheen steal porsches in 1987 film no mans land

https://youtu.be/1BXOvU9ZucY

heres a funny spoof remake

https://youtu.be/Ax6X1KspQO0

Clifford ''too tough''

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I just noticed how long i've been on here for, nearly 5 years i'm stuck in a time warp, can't believe it's been that long, 5 years later and still no porsche

2015 minus 2005 = 10 years!

Maybe this is why he doesn't have a Porsche yet?

Maybe he has a highly modified DeLorean, if he's stuck in a time warp? Smiley

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Dec 15, 2015 10:57:23 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59580, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: fritz

Re: Bye bye security...car theft will be pretty easy

indecision

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