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SciFrog:

Sadly too at almost any level of wealth there is something else you want. A new watch, another diamond necklace, another supercar, bigger house, another house, a yacht, a bigger yacht, a plane... Unless you get close to being a billionaire, there is always something else. And when you are a billionaire, the game becomes simply to get more money and not about stuffs anymore...

Makes me think of the Arnold Schwarzenegger quote from years ago; "Money doesn't buy happiness. I've got $50 million and I was just as happy when I had $48 million."

Past-President, Porsche Club of America - Upper Canada Region

Came across this article today and thought about the discussion here regarding e-drive versus petrol.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27435624

In a few years there won't be petrol anyway so we better get used to the e-drive... 

2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE

2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White

Well I think the test numbers above are astonishing. To think that Porsche developed this car from scratch and really did put an effort to make it not only super fast, but also easy to drive and environmental friendly in this time frame is very nice. I think Porsche needed a supercar, but this really goes beyond. The looks are very daring, and it's essentially a technological masterpiece (a la 959) I actually think Porsche opened up a new super car era, one which Ferrari and McLaren have totally missed and are now playing catch up. The Porsche is VERY fast, more daily friendly, easier to drive in all weather conditions and on top of that I think the e-drive is very handy in real world driving also. 

I am amazed by the Supertest numbers, once again well done Porsche  

1991 BMW 535i Granitsilber/White Leather

Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944

More heart, better technology, amazing real world performance (acceleration over top speed) and futuristic design.. Consider how big a step this was for Porsche, who's always been a conservative DNA in the design department. 

1991 BMW 535i Granitsilber/White Leather

Ex: '91 BMW 318i, '89 BMW 525i, '74 Mercedes-Benz 280E, '87 BMW 325is, '86 BMW 325e, '05 Ford Focus ZX4 S, '85.5 Porsche 944

bluelines:

Came across this article today and thought about the discussion here regarding e-drive versus petrol.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27435624

In a few years there won't be petrol anyway so we better get used to the e-drive... 

You are joking, right? If you mean by "a few years" more than a hundred years, maybe...maybe. The fracking operations in the US haven't even really started yet and there are many other "sources" which haven't been explored yet. It is just a matter of how much it will cost to exploit new "sources" and if it is viable or not.

I believe however than in a couple of decades, cars will not drive with petrol engines anymore. Not so sure about e-drive or similar stuff though, I'm more thinking about hydrogen and other stuff.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)

RC:

bluelines:

Came across this article today and thought about the discussion here regarding e-drive versus petrol.

http://www.bbc.com/news/science-environment-27435624

In a few years there won't be petrol anyway so we better get used to the e-drive... 

You are joking, right? If you mean by "a few years" more than a hundred years, maybe...maybe. The fracking operations in the US haven't even really started yet and there are many other "sources" which haven't been explored yet. It is just a matter of how much it will cost to exploit new "sources" and if it is viable or not.

I believe however than in a couple of decades, cars will not drive with petrol engines anymore. Not so sure about e-drive or similar stuff though, I'm more thinking about hydrogen and other stuff.

All limited and fast diminishing sources. Unless they can artificially produce petroleum then cars as we know them are gone sooner than later. 

2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE

2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White

According to latest calculations, based on new resources and possible new exploit sites, the oil reserves will last for at least 150-200 years. So the "sooner or later" sounds kind of funny, especially when considering the current exponential speed of development in technology and science. One single breakthrough can change everything. I think we have more time than we realize but the media tries of course to tell us differently. Green technology and bad news sell pretty well. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)

On BBG TV today: some scientist have done test runs in producing petrol like products in labs from seawater... They powered a model airplane with it. 10-20 years out for grand scale...

RC:

According to latest calculations, based on new resources and possible new exploit sites, the oil reserves will last for at least 150-200 years. So the "sooner or later" sounds kind of funny, especially when considering the current exponential speed of development in technology and science. One single breakthrough can change everything. I think we have more time than we realize but the media tries of course to tell us differently. Green technology and bad news sell pretty well. 

So what do you base your knowledge on if it is not media? Your own excavations and calculations? 

150-200 years is nothing in the bigger picture. Yes it will last for you and your children, but already your grandchildren should feel the shortage.

Development in technology and science will not change the fossil reserves. It might change the introduction and production of artificial petroleum.

2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE

2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White

SciFrog:

On BBG TV today: some scientist have done test runs in producing petrol like products in labs from seawater... They powered a model airplane with it. 10-20 years out for grand scale...

Cool. I saw something similar last year on BBC with artificial petroleum.

2014 991 Carrera 4S | Dark Blue Metallic | PDK | S-PASM (-20mm) | PSE

2010 Audi S5 cabrio | Ibis White

Oh boy, Autocar just had a test with the P1 at MIRA and the results didn't look good. On acceleration it is slower than a Veyron to every mark.

Swiped the graph off wtdoom's post elsewhere as I can't find it anywhere online.

No idea whether it's a factory car or a customer car. Could well have been the later, hence the results.

I think the 918 has a fighting chance to beat the P1 on the next Autocar test at MIRA.

bluelines:

150-200 years is nothing in the bigger picture. Yes it will last for you and your children, but already your grandchildren should feel the shortage.

Development in technology and science will not change the fossil reserves. It might change the introduction and production of artificial petroleum.

I work with technology (computers, gadgets) since my 12th birthday, programmed my first computer (C64) at age 12. This was over 37 years ago. Considering how technology evolved and how the pace has increased substantially, I think it is safe to say that in latest 100 years, we won't have any energy problems anymore. I would be more worried about overpopulation and possible outbreaks of related wars and pandemics. 

I also learned over the past 49 years of my life that nothing should be eaten as hot as served (not sure if there is such a saying in English). So no, I do not worry at all about energy. I worry about human stupidity and the fact that humans don't seem to learn from history, especially when it comes to nationalism, human nature and...the future. 

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Whoopsy, the interesting thing about those times is that both the SS and the P1 were about 4s off their official times.

SS claims 14.6
P1 claims 16.5

I'd say it's more likely that the conditions were as such rather than both cars being way slower than claimed.

RC:

bluelines:

150-200 years is nothing in the bigger picture. Yes it will last for you and your children, but already your grandchildren should feel the shortage.

Development in technology and science will not change the fossil reserves. It might change the introduction and production of artificial petroleum.

I work with technology (computers, gadgets) since my 12th birthday, programmed my first computer (C64) at age 12. This was over 37 years ago. Considering how technology evolved and how the pace has increased substantially, I think it is safe to say that in latest 100 years, we won't have any energy problems anymore. I would be more worried about overpopulation and possible outbreaks of related wars and pandemics. 

Hm, 2014 - 37 = 1977

The C64 was introduced in 1982

You were truly ahead of your time 

I started programming early too, at the age of 9, but on an Atari 400.

I agree that we won't have a general energy problem, but that was not the point. The point was if we will have petrol to enjoy our beloved cars, as they are today, in the future.

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noone1:

Whoopsy, the interesting thing about those times is that both the SS and the P1 were about 4s off their official times.

SS claims 14.6
P1 claims 16.5

I'd say it's more likely that the conditions were as such rather than both cars being way slower than claimed.

I didn't know the Veyron's time so I didn't see that, only saw the Veyron wins the battle to every mark, which I didn't think was possible because of the P1's weight advantage.

They did say the times were accounted for both up wind and down wind, so I figured that was the averaged times for the P1 which still looks pretty bad compared with factory claim. doom also mentioned the surface is not racetrack smooth on MIRA which might account for some difference.

Autocar hasn't been too close to factory figures for very powerful cars e.g. Veyron SS, F12 or P1 so I guess at least they are consistent. Waiting for German tests of the P1...

Whoopsy:

noone1:

Whoopsy, the interesting thing about those times is that both the SS and the P1 were about 4s off their official times.

SS claims 14.6
P1 claims 16.5

I'd say it's more likely that the conditions were as such rather than both cars being way slower than claimed.

 

I didn't know the Veyron's time so I didn't see that, only saw the Veyron wins the battle to every mark, which I didn't think was possible because of the P1's weight advantage.

They did say the times were accounted for both up wind and down wind, so I figured that was the averaged times for the P1 which still looks pretty bad compared with factory claim. doom also mentioned the surface is not racetrack smooth on MIRA which might account for some difference.

 

I think the P1 did amazingly well actually. It never claimed to be quicker to 300 and drag racing really is more about power than weight when you get to high speeds. When you consider that it's only .6s (meaningless and imperceptible for the most part) to 160mph, that's pretty impressive. On the dry lap, it blew the SS out of the water, relatively speaking.

I posted this on the other forum as well:

Wet time is pretty bad. Will be interesting to see the LF wet time. Maybe 900-1000hp in a RWD car in very wet conditions just isn't going to work out.

That said, I would argue 1.7s quicker in the dry on this track is a ton. Not sure how accurate those FL times are, but here are some cars that are 1.7s or less quick than others:

Ariel Atom V8 vs F430 = 1.6s
Veyron SS vs F430 = 1.5s
Veyron SS vs 458 = 1s

With the track layout and just how short it is, you aren't going to see 10s differences in lap time.

@TG track:

Ariel Atom vs 430 = 7.8s
SS vs 430 = 6.1s
SS vs 458 = 2.3s

We need to see P1, LF, and 918 times on various circuits on the same days to draw overall conclusions. And I'm not even sure there will be any overall winner. I would not at all be surprised to see each of the cars better in different situations and on different circuits.

 

bluelines:

RC:

bluelines:

150-200 years is nothing in the bigger picture. Yes it will last for you and your children, but already your grandchildren should feel the shortage.

Development in technology and science will not change the fossil reserves. It might change the introduction and production of artificial petroleum.

I work with technology (computers, gadgets) since my 12th birthday, programmed my first computer (C64) at age 12. This was over 37 years ago. Considering how technology evolved and how the pace has increased substantially, I think it is safe to say that in latest 100 years, we won't have any energy problems anymore. I would be more worried about overpopulation and possible outbreaks of related wars and pandemics. 

Hm, 2014 - 37 = 1977

The C64 was introduced in 1982

You were truly ahead of your time 

2003 BMW M3 CSL (sold) / 2008 Porsche 911 GT3 RS / 2013 MINI John Cooper Works GP / 2014 BMW Alpina D3 biturbo Touring

Whoopsy:

Oh boy, Autocar just had a test with the P1 at MIRA and the results didn't look good. On acceleration it is slower than a Veyron to every mark.

Swiped the graph off wtdoom's post elsewhere as I can't find it anywhere online.

No idea whether it's a factory car or a customer car. Could well have been the later, hence the results.

I think the 918 has a fighting chance to beat the P1 on the next Autocar test at MIRA.

These Autocar acceleration numbers are consistent with the performance of the orange factory P1 which we had recently at our airfield event.

Extrapolating from the figs above 200-300kph is about 12.3s

The 200 to 300kph is a good way of measuring hp as there should be good traction. An 800hp Porsche 911 will manage 200-300kph in 12s including 0.8s worth of gearchanging.

The airfield P1 manged 209mph with a 20mph following wind which is a generous 800hp (for a Porsche 911)

I am not really up to speed with the P1s CdA but on the face of it those 903hp look a little underfed 

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The low range and wet performance of the P1 will always be bad as it only has 2 tires to put down the power, I was expecting a really stellar time on the high end once it overcome the grip problem, especially after what the factory promised and published and what every testers experienced. 

While the SS has an extra 300hp or so, it also suppose to weight like an extra 1000lb, I was expecting the P1 to be very close to the SS times.

For the dry track time, most of the corners looks like high speed ones where the P1 can use it's super aero to it's advantage, 1.7 seconds better just seems low, especially consider the P1 is quite a bit lighter and 'should' be a lot more agile than the 4000+lb SS. 

I don't know, since the P1 was billed as the ultimate track toy that can also be driven on the street, I had really high expectations. 

True it does have high-speed corners, but it also has massive straights where a Veyron masks it size with brute force and doesn't suffer much on high-speed corners either. The times were in fact very close as well. Only .6s difference up to 160mph. Most tracks probably don't even have room to do 180 - 200 mph for very long.

Not that it's super reliable, but on the Top Gear track the Veyron SS was slower than the Aventador and even the original 12C.

I really think the wet course in the dry would have been far more interesting than a course with massive straights and high-speed corners. The weight difference will show its massive advantage in places where agility is more useful.

bluelines:

 

Hm, 2014 - 37 = 1977

The C64 was introduced in 1982

You were truly ahead of your time 

I started programming early too, at the age of 9, but on an Atari 400.

I agree that we won't have a general energy problem, but that was not the point. The point was if we will have petrol to enjoy our beloved cars, as they are today, in the future.

Sorry, I confused my amateur radio days, which started pretty early in my life, with my computer days.  This happens when I post something and at the same time doing work in the office.  Actually realized that I started programming at age 17 with a Sinclair (at school in Switzerland ), I had the C64 a couple of months later at home and just a couple of weeks ago, I found the cassette tape recorder (for the data tapes) in my garage.  Then came the Amiga 1000, the 500 and then a PC (a 286 I paid a fortune for). Sorry but it was many many years ago. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Cool. Do you still have stuff? I am really annoyed with myself that I did not keep it. Those old Ataris, Commondores and Amigas are cool. Maybe I have to pick one up on eBay

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bluelines:

Cool. Do you still have stuff? I am really annoyed with myself that I did not keep it. Those old Ataris, Commondores and Amigas are cool. Maybe I have to pick one up on eBay

Just that data cassette player...weird. I also found lots of tapes (for classic cassette music players) but I don't have any player anymore for them.  I have the fondest memories of my Amiga 500, it was so ahead of it's time, never understood why they failed. Do you remember how the Amiga 500 games and programs looked vs. the early PC programs and games? Incredible. I even wonder how the PC made it in comparison to the Amiga, at least in the game segment. So sad...

Oh, also found some Video 2000 tapes in my garage, no video player for them anymore. Also found some Video 8 tapes, had a Sony video 8 camera with me during my first Brasil vacation (25 or 30 years ago...don't nail me on this one, I don't remember when video 8 was introduced ) and I just realized that I've never seen these tapes and that I should probably have them transferred to digital format before they actually "go bad" and cannot be played anymore.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)

RC:

 

Just that data cassette player...weird. I also found lots of tapes (for classic cassette music players) but I don't have any player anymore for them. 

I saw a simple and inexpensive device the other day in Lidl(!) that converts cassettes to CDs. I thought of buying one.

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"Form follows function"

reginos:

RC:

 

Just that data cassette player...weird. I also found lots of tapes (for classic cassette music players) but I don't have any player anymore for them. 

I saw a simple and inexpensive device the other day in Lidl(!) that converts cassettes to CDs. I thought of buying one.

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"Form follows function"

I just picked up an old cassette player from a  bin  the other day when i brought my waist to the recycling place 

 997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm

Gnil:

reginos:

RC:

 

Just that data cassette player...weird. I also found lots of tapes (for classic cassette music players) but I don't have any player anymore for them. 

I saw a simple and inexpensive device the other day in Lidl(!) that converts cassettes to CDs. I thought of buying one.

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"Form follows function"

I just picked up an old cassette player from a  bin  the other day when i brought my waist to the recycling place 

So it was you!!!

"Form follows function"

Hi guys, you do not need to brag about your age here !

( I took part in a questionaire of my fitness club today and realized that the age group I had to tick off was the last one available ... "51 to 60" ...)

So, when will we see the first anouncement for the 960 then ?? ...

Started programming at the age of 13 in 1983 on an Apple IIe with disk drives