KresoF1:
Well... New R8 V10 will be positioned price wise above 991 Turbo and below 991 Turbo S. Price will be very, very good for a sportscar that with 580ps(or more!) will be only marginally slower then Huracan. Standard equipment in R8 V10 will be at 991 Turbo level.
Where would 960 fit actually? According to my P source IF Porsche decide to build 960 it will be positioned above(!!) Huracan price wise. Expect 250K € in Germany as base price for 960.
Heard the same rumor...makes sense.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), Jeep Grand Cherokee SRT (2014), BMW X3 35d (2013)
Mar 31, 2014 8:41:25 AM
Boxster Coupe GTS:
I really liked the "evolved" design. I'm sure the interior will be high quality yet with simple design like the new TT.
I have always like the R8 and driven both V8 and V10 on race track. I'm happy that Audi finally decides to continue the model. I don't understand how come someone can find the new design -especially the blue render- boring
It is a proper -daily- super sport car if the renders are close to actual car. Good job Audi
ONUR
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Eh, I don't get sentimental. I want new, exciting designs.The R8 was new and fresh. These mules, and the Huracan, look neither fresh or exciting. If I wanted an old design, I'd just buy the old car for half the price. If I wanted an Aventador, I'd go buy one, not some half-assed Aventador. I don't want miniature or giant versions of the same car.
Probably the only old design I'd want is a McLaren F1 LM or other super rare cars that I don't see a thousand times.
If the new R8 looks like a facelifted R8, I'm not interested. If it looks like a high-end Audi, I'm not interested. $200K should buy you something unique.
SciFrog:
So what do you think of all 911 that basically look the same?
I think, "God, I wish Porsche would make a mid-engine exotic instead of a mid-engine halo car. I'd love to have Porsche performance in something remotely exciting looking."
991 is a good looking car not a good looking $150K-200K car. I don't mind evolutionary design for a normal car, but I'm sure as hell not paying that kind of money for it. 991 prices are going to plummet on the used market, if they haven't already.
reginos:
Have you seen the real pictures, yet?
I have seen some final design renderings made by quattro Gmbh and I can tell you that new R8 looks like an big evolution of original R8. NOT like revolution.
If you look at mule pics you can see that rendering posted in this thread are all wrong from several points of view.
Few hints:
Exterior-big evolution of current R8, new grill desing, new tail lights design, little bit different(sharper) sideview, more natural flow side blade design.
Interior-mixture of Huracan and new TT.
KresoF1:
reginos:
Have you seen the real pictures, yet?
I have seen some final design renderings made by quattro Gmbh and I can tell you that new R8 looks like an big evolution of original R8. NOT like revolution.
If you look at mule pics you can see that rendering posted in this thread are all wrong from several points of view.
Few hints:
Exterior-big evolution of current R8, new grill desing, new tail lights design, little bit different(sharper) sideview, more natural flow side blade design.
Interior-mixture of Huracan and new TT.
Thanks
"Form follows function"
KresoF1:
reginos:
Have you seen the real pictures, yet?
I have seen some final design renderings made by quattro Gmbh and I can tell you that new R8 looks like an big evolution of original R8. NOT like revolution.
If you look at mule pics you can see that rendering posted in this thread are all wrong from several points of view.
Few hints:
Exterior-big evolution of current R8, new grill desing, new tail lights design, little bit different(sharper) sideview, more natural flow side blade design.
Interior-mixture of Huracan and new TT.
Will new R8 be faster than 991 TTS?
Apr 1, 2014 9:07:51 PM
artur777:
KresoF1:
reginos:
Have you seen the real pictures, yet?
I have seen some final design renderings made by quattro Gmbh and I can tell you that new R8 looks like an big evolution of original R8. NOT like revolution.
If you look at mule pics you can see that rendering posted in this thread are all wrong from several points of view.
Few hints:
Exterior-big evolution of current R8, new grill desing, new tail lights design, little bit different(sharper) sideview, more natural flow side blade design.
Interior-mixture of Huracan and new TT.
Will new R8 be faster than 991 TTS?
Probably not, but the R8 will make up for it with a more special feel. The Porsche 991 TTS does not feel, cabin wise, any different from a more basic 911 Carrera.
artur777:
KresoF1:
reginos:
Have you seen the real pictures, yet?
I have seen some final design renderings made by quattro Gmbh and I can tell you that new R8 looks like an big evolution of original R8. NOT like revolution.
If you look at mule pics you can see that rendering posted in this thread are all wrong from several points of view.
Few hints:
Exterior-big evolution of current R8, new grill desing, new tail lights design, little bit different(sharper) sideview, more natural flow side blade design.
Interior-mixture of Huracan and new TT.
Will new R8 be faster than 991 TTS?
In straight line? No. On the track? It will match 991TS numbers.
Want a car that is really faster then 991TS? Go for F12 or 650S(which is truly extremly fast both in straight line and on the track).
KresoF1:
artur777:
KresoF1:
reginos:
Have you seen the real pictures, yet?
I have seen some final design renderings made by quattro Gmbh and I can tell you that new R8 looks like an big evolution of original R8. NOT like revolution.
If you look at mule pics you can see that rendering posted in this thread are all wrong from several points of view.
Few hints:
Exterior-big evolution of current R8, new grill desing, new tail lights design, little bit different(sharper) sideview, more natural flow side blade design.
Interior-mixture of Huracan and new TT.
Will new R8 be faster than 991 TTS?
In straight line? No. On the track? It will match 991TS numbers.
Want a car that is really faster then 991TS? Go for F12 or 650S(which is truly extremly fast both in straight line and on the track).
Interesting to understand if Huracan any faster than 991 TTS?
Apr 15, 2014 8:58:41 PM
New Audi R8 supercar nears 2015 launch...
Audi returns to the Nürburgring for performance testing on the second-generation Audi R8, which uses tech from the new Lamborghini Huracán
(14 April 2014)
New Audi R8 supercar nears 2015 launch -- Autocar article
2016 Audi R8 V10 spied testing on the Nürburgring...
2016 Audi R8 V10 spied testing on the Nürburgring -- Video link
...turn up the volume!
Apr 16, 2014 4:03:09 AM
Apr 16, 2014 5:40:21 AM
The R8 is a halo model for Audi, so it must resemble the rest of the range in various details. The person who buys a TT should think that it is a junior R8 and also the owner of a A1 must think that the R8 is his/hers car's big brother.
If the R8 looked like a version of the Huracan, this point would have been lost.
"Form follows function"
Apr 16, 2014 8:02:43 AM
reginos:
The R8 is a halo model for Audi, so it must resemble the rest of the range in various details. The person who buys a TT should think that it is a junior R8 and also the owner of a A1 must think that the R8 is his/hers car's big brother.
If the R8 looked like a version of the Huracan, this point would have been lost.
If what you said is truth about their design language.... then I would imagine R8 will loose a lot of customer, but they would gain more sales on their regular range cars!!!
Apr 16, 2014 8:14:44 AM
huangester:
reginos:
The R8 is a halo model for Audi, so it must resemble the rest of the range in various details. The person who buys a TT should think that it is a junior R8 and also the owner of a A1 must think that the R8 is his/hers car's big brother.
If the R8 looked like a version of the Huracan, this point would have been lost.
If what you said is truth about their design language.... then I would imagine R8 will loose a lot of customer, but they would gain more sales on their regular range cars!!!
Why would they loose a lot of customers? Audi is following that design language for quite a while now and with succes. It's exactly the reason why I like the brand. R8 is still, after all these years, one of the best looking mid-engined sportscars on the market, so why change much? It's not like a McLaren or Jaguar that looks dated the day it gets introduced. The R8 has become an iconic design that only needs an evolutionary instead of a revolutionary design.
Suzy
2013 Porsche Boxster S (MT) | Basalt black metallic
2014 Audi A6 Avant 3.0 BiTDI Quattro | Moonshine blue metallic
Apr 16, 2014 8:15:21 AM
huangester:
reginos:
The R8 is a halo model for Audi, so it must resemble the rest of the range in various details. The person who buys a TT should think that it is a junior R8 and also the owner of a A1 must think that the R8 is his/hers car's big brother.
If the R8 looked like a version of the Huracan, this point would have been lost.
If what you said is truth about their design language.... then I would imagine R8 will loose a lot of customer, but they would gain more sales on their regular range cars!!!
The type of clientele who have bought the current one will buy the new one.
On one hand someone could argue that the R8 is a supercar but much cheaper to buy than run and more daily usable than the Italians, on the other hand some snub it as an imitation of the originals. This will continue likewise.
Personally I like Audi and the R8 but I like Porsche more.
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"Form follows function"
To me, the problem is that it looks like they designed a new R8, not a new halo car.
What I mean is that a halo car doesn't need to look like the predecessor. It can look nothing like the previous car and still carry the design language and brand image. The original R8 was a fresh, new design with only some cues from other Audis and it was very successful.
There is no reason Audi couldn't have created an equally successful car that looked nothing like the R8, or at least a lot different. In fact, that's what the R8 originally did anyway.
I for one think it won't work out so well for them this time. A new interior is nice and so is better performance, but one of the biggest selling points of the Huracan is already available in the current R8 -- the DCT. Lamborghini owners have to buy a Huracan to get that. Audi owners don't. I see this new R8 as being more like a Gallardo -> LP560. Design is very important and even after just a couple years people were already dying for a new Gallardo even though the 560 was in fact a much better, newer car.
I'll have to wait and see how it works out, but at this point I'm definitely not interested. Plenty of other very high performance cars that looks just as good, if not better. And let's not forget the R8 isn't that cheap anymore either. What's a V10 Plus cost? $170K?
I think a Honda NSX will be better than this and probably cheaper. They just need to make sure it's not under-powered like the old NSX.
Are you really talking about this...
Over two years old NSX hybrid concept? That is a good design for you? OK...
BTW, since you do not like Huracan, forthcoming R8 or AMG GT why are you posting in threads about them? To express your bad opinion about them?
OK, I guess...
noone1:
To me, the problem is that it looks like they designed a new R8, not a new halo car.
What I mean is that a halo car doesn't need to look like the predecessor. It can look nothing like the previous car and still carry the design language and brand image. The original R8 was a fresh, new design with only some cues from other Audis and it was very successful.
There is no reason Audi couldn't have created an equally successful car that looked nothing like the R8, or at least a lot different. In fact, that's what the R8 originally did anyway.
I for one think it won't work out so well for them this time. A new interior is nice and so is better performance, but one of the biggest selling points of the Huracan is already available in the current R8 -- the DCT. Lamborghini owners have to buy a Huracan to get that. Audi owners don't. I see this new R8 as being more like a Gallardo -> LP560. Design is very important and even after just a couple years people were already dying for a new Gallardo even though the 560 was in fact a much better, newer car.
I'll have to wait and see how it works out, but at this point I'm definitely not interested. Plenty of other very high performance cars that looks just as good, if not better. And let's not forget the R8 isn't that cheap anymore either. What's a V10 Plus cost? $170K?
I think a Honda NSX will be better than this and probably cheaper. They just need to make sure it's not under-powered like the old NSX.
Don't forget that in VW Group planning there must be room for the new Porsche 960 in terms of design, cost and performance. Therefore, there should be a convenient gap between the new R8 and the Huracan as otherwise the Porsche wouldn't fit.
The R8 is more of a 911 rival (in spite of the different layout) and removed from Lamborghini.
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"Form follows function"
SuzyF:R8 is still, after all these years, one of the best looking mid-engined sportscars on the market, so why change much?
I agree. Unfortunately, it seems the only significant things they changed were for the worse (deletion of the fantastic manual gearbox option and switch from hydraulic to electric steering).
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73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550
Many customers bought the manual R8 reluctantly , just because the original R-tronic was a terrible automated manual. These buyers will definitely go for the twin clutch S-tronic.
Manual is not a in significant demand anymore for expensive cars and performance cars. Manufacturers know their business and they wouldn't be foolish to abolish something that buyers want badly.
"Form follows function"
KresoF1:
Are you really talking about this...
Over two years old NSX hybrid concept? That is a good design for you? OK...
BTW, since you do not like Huracan, forthcoming R8 or AMG GT why are you posting in threads about them? To express your bad opinion about them?
OK, I guess...
Well, I have no idea what it will finally look like, but yes. I think that concept is a more modern looking R8 than the next R8, based on what I've seen so far. And most importantly, it's not been seen a million times for the last 7 years.
R8 has been out for 6-7 years now. Cars get old. R8 is no exception. These are throw away cars, not collectibles. No need to get attached to a design. Out with the old, in with the new.
reginos:
Manufacturers know their business and they wouldn't be foolish to abolish something that buyers want badly.
There are many GT3 manual buyers who are looking elsewhere, after being abandoned. After demand is met for the current PDK GT3 cars, I wouldn't be surprised to see some "limited edition" manual models.
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs), 06 EVO9 with track mods. Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550
They will be slower in magazine tests and Porsche wouldn't like that, even though potential buyers wouldn't mind, probably.
It is a fact that the hype with lap times etc. promoted by the media incl. video reviews now, influences many decisions.
"Form follows function"