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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
igirl:
nberry:
I assume they know the facts and the fix.
I disagree. For now, dealers don't know what to fix...
Porsche just don't want to be "responsible" if something bad should happen...!
If that is true why did it take them two weeks to make the announcement? I suspect they have a pretty good idea what the problem is.
Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
reginos:
I suspect heads will roll in Weissach
That should normally depend on the circumstances which led up to the situation arising, but sometimes it is more convenient to find an innocent victim to act as a fall-guy. Just someone who is not in a position to adequately stand up for himself. 
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
fritz:
reginos:
I suspect heads will roll in Weissach
That should normally depend on the circumstances which led up to the situation arising, but sometimes it is more convenient to find an innocent victim to act as a fall-guy. Just someone who is not in a position to adequately stand up for himself.
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Exactly, that all depends on the circumstances for the potential fault. There is certainly no reason to throw out people for the sake of throwing out people.
Sh*t happens. We all make mistakes (even Porsche engineers, if that is the culprit in this case). That is life. Some people can deal with it and move on. Others not.
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
bluelines:
fritz:
reginos:
I suspect heads will roll in Weissach
That should normally depend on the circumstances which led up to the situation arising, but sometimes it is more convenient to find an innocent victim to act as a fall-guy. Just someone who is not in a position to adequately stand up for himself.
+1
Exactly, that all depends on the circumstances for the potential fault. There is certainly no reason to throw out people for the sake of throwing out people.
Sh*t happens. We all make mistakes (even Porsche engineers, if that is the culprit in this case). That is life. Some people can deal with it and move on. Others not.
I wasn't referring to just finding easy scapegoats. All is judged by results and Porsche engineering have failed big time here. Just when memories of the IMS fiasco begun to fade, this is happening on the most celebrated 911 variant.
I just wish it is the result of a simple component failure which can be easily upgraded instead of a major design fault.
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
nberry:
If that is true why did it take them two weeks to make the announcement? I suspect they have a pretty good idea what the problem is.
Perhaps not. Evidence can be lost in the resulting fire. In my experience there are 2 nightmare scenarios surrounding failures: 1 there is no data to investigate; 2 you know exactly what went wrong but to fix it has major implications on the system as a whole, particularly re-test/qualification. I've been lucky in that 1 has never resulted in 2 but it could happen. Anyway, these things can take months to fix and when you don't have data, you cannot release meaningful information. I am also lucky in that my customers tend to be technically aware so there is little danger of over-reaction to sharing a best guess but Porsche don't have this luxury with the media attention and technically ignorant customers (no one on Rennteam I hasten to add 
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
GTlover:
911 GT cars are now more approachable? than before, all thanks to the new transmission 
I expect to see more wrecked GT3's in the future from other regions, it's only the beginning 
Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
Well, this should not come as a surprise. It is street legal track oriented car with 475hp. More powerful than a 911 Cup car and far too powerful for most drivers. Now with PDK, it will reach very high speeds very fast.
There will be wrecked GT3s left and right in ditches and fields... 
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Feb 20, 2014 10:09:42 PM
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
BiTurbo:
GTlover:
911 GT cars are now more approachable? than before, all thanks to the new transmission
I expect to see more wrecked GT3's in the future from other regions, it's only the beginning
That's one less car Porsche will need to send a transporter for during the recall. I agree that the forums will be, post-corrective recall period, see an increase in similar incidents. Making a high performance car more accessible to a large driver population will only exacerbate incidents as many believe their driving skills are greater than they really are.
Recall almost fifteen years, even Audi with the much lower performance TT suffered a series of highly speculative accidents because many of the new drivers had very little experience with cars with "sports" type suspension settings. Audi solved the problem essentially by reducing the turn-in rate of the car through modification to the front A-arm bushings and adding a rear spoiler to decrease lift and reduce sensitivity toward drop throttle oversteer.
Feb 20, 2014 10:42:57 PM
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Feb 20, 2014 10:47:54 PM
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
2015 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Spy Shots...
(20 February 2014)
Porsche is already nearing the final stages of development on the GT3's harder-core companion: the 2015 Porsche 911 GT3 RS. These are the first spy shots of the car in testing.
Spied largely undisguised, the new GT3 RS looks sinister in its all-back exterior, its aggressive aerodynamics and large fixed rear wing making it clear this 911's about business first--and that business happens at the track.
Visual differences from the standard GT3 include a slightly widened track to accommodate wider wheels and tires, a larger lip around the front spoiler, modified rear fender and bumper air extraction paths, and, of course, the much larger rear wing.
Expectations for the 2015 GT3 RS include weight reduction, extra power and responsiveness, and an even more focused chassis tune. The current 2014 911 GT3 weighs just 3,152 pounds--relatively svelte for a modern car of its footprint and capability--so the GT3 RS is likely to be at or just under the 3,100-pound mark if Porsche's engineers can shave more weight through use of more carbon fiber panels, a synthetic rear window, and a somewhat more spartan cabin.
A shorter final drive ratio could bring the GT3 RS's gearing into more track-suited ranges (though it will also lower the top speed slightly). The GT3's 475-horsepower 3.8-liter may grow more powerful, as well, though it may be tuned for greater responsiveness instead, perhaps through use of lighter internal components and/or a lightened flywheel.
It's not yet known if Porsche may offer a manual gearbox in the GT3 RS. The standard GT3 doesn't offer one, though rumors persist that it may at some point come with an optional three-pedal setup. The PDK gearbox in the GT3 seems like a natural fit for Porsche's most high-tech track machine.
Performance figures for the 2015 GT3 RS should slip just under the 3.3-second mark for the 0-60 mph sprint, and just over the 195-mph top-speed mark to optimize Nürburgring Nordschleife lap times--a key bragging right.
The 911 GT3 RS is likely to reach the market this summer as a 2015 model-year offering. Beyond the GT3 and GT3 RS, Porsche still has two more super-911s in the works: the GT2 and GT2 RS, which should become available in late 2014 and late 2015, respectively.
2015 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Spy Shots -- MotorAuthority Link
Feb 21, 2014 12:28:53 AM
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
Quick question? Are any of you guys in involved in the recall ask for a loaner car? How about who pays the leasing? What if its through a private bank and not through Porsche financial?
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Feb 21, 2014 7:31:22 AM
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That RS looks stunning !!! What is it about the lines we can see under the camouflage on the hood and roof ?
Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
911rox:
Looks amazing but without a motorsport motor and proven track credibility it's a showboater's car...
May as well just slap some flame decals down the sides and launch in Geneva next month....
That's a harsh statement, but there's some truth to it.
Once Porsche uses the new engine in their CUP cars and they prove to be reliable (and successful to some degree), the car will eventually receive its well-deserved recognition among those who still doubt the car.
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
nberry:
I assume they know the facts and the fix. Otherwise, if they are still in the investigation stage and now decide to issue a no drive recall then they are about two weeks late.
FWIW, the accident in the UK on wet pavement is nothing more than a red herring. Despite the driver's version of events, it was entirely his fault and the car had nothing to do with the accident. He is covering his ass anticipating litigation from the vehicle he hit.
There has been a lot of pressure lately, also from a legal point of view. They did the right thing but I don't think that they know 100% sure what the cause is (they have a suspect though).
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
Gauss:
911rox:
Looks amazing but without a motorsport motor and proven track credibility it's a showboater's car...
May as well just slap some flame decals down the sides and launch in Geneva next month....
That's a harsh statement, but there's some truth to it.
Once Porsche uses the new engine in their CUP cars and they prove to be reliable (and successful to some degree), the car will eventually receive its well-deserved recognition among those who still doubt the car.
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I say it wholeheartedly Gauss because in my book there are two types of people who buy this car, those who want to be seen in it and those who want a track capable street car to flog on track and use as intended... I'm the later and the new metal doesn't appeal to me one bit without a proven, motorsport derived drivetrain I can beat on with the long term confidence of reliability... This is why I pay $400k for a car like a GT3 or RS, not for one lap screamers...
Porsche have now done a 180 on their GT platform and decided that the former is where the money is at for them...
Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
I think that trackday junkies are the ones who made GT3 cool so ''wants to be seen in'' crowd started to imitate them - without trackdays it would have never became appealig to poseurs,so it is crucial for it to be track worthy.But I am not a marketiing expert,maybe I am wrong
Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
throt:
Some guy on another forum reckons he has seen the letter going out to 991GT3 owners. It stated "crankcase damage"..
I think this is a piece of collateral damage, not the cause (connecting rods can penetrate the case when they detach from the crankshaft and/or piston, for instance).
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Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
Grant:
throt:
Some guy on another forum reckons he has seen the letter going out to 991GT3 owners. It stated "crankcase damage"..
I think this is a piece of collateral damage, not the cause (connecting rods can penetrate the case when they detach from the crankshaft and/or piston, for instance).
Also, would crank case damage cause a fire?
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