Re: OFFICIAL: New 911 GT3 (991)
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Horst von Saurma is usually a tiny bit faster than Christian Gebhardt. Of course the Turbo S has different tires, this is why I compared it with the SAME tires to the GT3 and trust me, the Michelin Cup 2 is slightly faster than the Dunlop, which is a UHP tire. The car didn't have any problems during the Supertest, only when AMS tried to execute the dyno testing. Porsche later on confirmed that the car was technically sound, the software update had only been executed to reset the software. This is also one of the reasons cars usually perform worse in AMS/Sport Auto reviews because both car magazine not only dyno the cars but also check chassis setups/settings, just in case manufacturers try to cheat. Also AMS/Sport Auto uses calibrated and certified equipment, a full fuel tank and a passenger, while some other car magazine couldn't care less about all of that. They just hook the cars up with some equipment, test it and they're done.
Thats agan, pure rubbish... 1. Chrisian Gebardt is the quicker of the 2, you can look up his 24h and VLN lap times / results ... And that is also the reason why there are plenty of laps (with lap time) from CB online on youtube but only one lap (that of the GT3) from HvS ... I even spoke once to Walther Röhrl and he implied that HvS often doesn't drive the lap times he is writing (as for M3 CSL, Carrera GT)... and maybe the new GT3 was the first car where he was able to drive a "good time" and thats why he finally was able to post it on youtube... (Even though the car would potentially even be quicker)... and he even implies that he drove it to 95%, as the last 5% were difficult to extract from the RWS, a thing CB had no problems with (as said on the Sportauto website)... And for the tires... You should learn the meanings of tires, not me xD ...1. UHP = Ultra High Performance ... So another word as street tire... And this category is very broad, ranging from semi-slick like the MSCP2, Dunlop SM Race to the normal Pirelli PZero and even Pirelli P7 ... THAT IS WHY people normally split them into : 1. Semi-slick/DOT R 2. Extreme Performance 3. Max Performance and 4. "normal" UHP ... Another point is the tread wear rating which shows how quickly a tyre uses up his rubber and kind of gives one an idea of how much grip it has (more or less, coz aromatic etc nowadays can make it a bit longer) ... The Tread wear rating for tyres are for example ... Pirellii PZero Trofeo = 60 ---- Dunlop Sport Maxx Race = 60 -----Michelin PSC1 = 100 ---- Michelin PSC2 = 180 ---- Pirelli PZero = 180 ... So no wonder the Dunlop is the faster tyre!? ... SO STOP TALKING RUBBISH !!!
and dont forget, Sportauto and AMS always time with a passenger onboard, so thats a bigger penalty for the lighter GT3...
Same with the Turbo S, I don't get your point. If they would test the cars with one passenger only, the Turbo S would have the same advantage.
Well, if u put 200 kg in a 1000kg car you add 20% of weight so, its power to weight ratio drops by 20% ... if you put the same 200kg in a 2000kg car you are just adding 10% of weight, so its power to weight ratio only drops by 10% ... The Turbo is heavier and more powerful to start with, so a passenger is a bigger penalty for the GT3 --- Does that sound logical?!
And Sportauto even posted a statement, that they will retest the GT3 and see if it will really be slower than the tts around hockenheim... So we can,assume that it underperformed quite badly ...
It didn't underperform. Is it really that difficult to compare the results of the 991 GT3 with the former 997 GT3, GT3 RS and GT3 RS 4.0? Apparently so. The GT3 performs very well but some people apparently expect miracles before and after Christmas.
That is what they said... "vorübergehendes Ergebnis" was the word they used... No XMas etc, just pure facts...
2. and so far in every true comparison test the turbo s was slower around the track (autozeitung + balocca)... so we shouldnt expect it to be quicker than a gt3 around the track... If porsche states 1 sec difference on the Nordschleife, that will be true and hence the turbo s will be slower on more technical courses...
In these tests, the Turbo S was using standard tires (PZero). Oh boy...is it so difficult to understand the difference between UHP (Dunlops) and street tires (PZero)?
See above, please learn tires mate ... if u mean semi-slick vs Max Performance summer... yep, there was a small advantage but as both seem to have the same tread wear rating, the tyres seems similarily sticky ... probably the MPSC2 has a newer compound and more negativ profile so has a small advantage... but the N-Spec PZero also sticks like a semi-slick, a fact Sportauto already pointed out in the 991 Carrera S Test !!!
And I think the GT3 will be slower in a straight line, but not as much as you think... could as well be that in your "tests" u gave yourself without recognising always a headstart or that the others are just worse in such "tests" ... And that could easily lead to small differences becoming a big one... But i gotta say... the gt3 will never will be quicker than the tts in a straight line...
You cannot imagine how big the difference was. Just wait for the first real life encounters and we talk again. Not even sure why I am discussing straight line performance of the GT3 vs. the Turbo S though. Ridiculous.
We will see ... but as you already had so many false arguments, wouldnt surprise me if that is a bit exaggerated as well
And Chris harris never said he liked the turbo S more than the GT3, thats just rubbish!!!
Listen to his GT3 review and then the Turbo S review. This is not rubbish. He wasn't a fan of the GT3 because of the PDK but for the first time he liked a 911 Turbo because it "has a soul".
He said... and I quote his text on piston heads: "The biggest issue for me, though, is that the driver's contribution to the Turbo S's alarming pace is really quite small. You do need to be alert to hold onto the thing and the sheer speed of it is fantastic fun, but you don't step out after a fast run satisfied that you made it so. That's the GT3's job, though." ... and he just said his favourite car for track/daily/fun is the GT3...
So if u use facts, please state them correctly...
Stupid question: When have you driven a GT3 or Turbo S lately? Exactly my point. Cheers.
Drove them both and I ordered my GT3 ... Cheers
I said it before: The GT3 is a wonderful car but Porsche has to keep a certain performance hierarchy. If you want something faster (track and straight line), go for the GT3 RS. If you want something even faster, go for the GT2 RS (or maybe even GT2 if Porsche is willing to put it on the market). Just stop arguing about something based on what you read in a stupid car magazine. Otherwise you may be heavily disappointed if you ever get the car.