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RC - Funny how this discussion has gotton SO out of hand. Now you are using words like "annihilate". Nice. Obviously this has really hit a nerve with you. Not worth it IMO.
The problem is that if you experience a comparison with two different GT3 live and just recently and someone comes up with BS about close performance and whatever, yes, I really get mad.
People here will disagree on some topics and agree on others. Some believe that NBR times, especially those of HVS are the final word, while others (like me) like to look at more than one test. The Ring, IMO, is very dangerous which is why I also like to look at other track results. The GT3 has always been Porsche's track car. But now you disagree based on one test. Other tests, including the Italian one had different outcomes. We all choose to believe what we want. And that's fine by me.
You don't seem, like many others outside Germany, to understand the Supertest and it's goal. Why do you think this Supertest has such a good reputation? The results are comparable. I don't want to bash italian car magazines but their results in the past haven't been always accurate. I remember one magazine (was it Quattroruote?) testing the 458 Italia at under 10 seconds from 0-200 kph and with a fabulous track time compared to the 997 Turbo S. At the same time, I was witnessing a comparison (for development purposes) between the 458 Italia and the 997 Turbo S and the Porsche won each time. Many YouTube videos actually prove that too but one italian car magazine made the difference.
Some believe in all VBOX results, while I take the more optimistic figures along with the poor results with a grain of salt. Some also believe in all YouTube videos while I don't. Better to use more controlled testing procedures done by reputable magazines. Take your car to a dragstrip and let us know what you achieve. It may surprise you - in a negative way that is. Or run your car on a "measured KM" and see how you do.
Our usual driving is less scientific than one would think. We take some cars for a ride, sometimes there are cars involved which shouldn't be even involved and I will never mention them here. One thing is for sure though: Whenever we do our fun rides, we experience the performance of the cars involved. One is faster, one is slower, the difference is sometimes pretty small but sometimes huge. This is what I call real life experience. So if two (2) GT3 can't even keep up with my 991 Turbo S, in no speed range and on the contrary, over a speed of 230 kph, they start disappearing, I think I can clearly make a statement. Even if that italian car magazine seems to come to a different result. Yes, my car may be in a good shape, I won't deny it but one GT3 should have been in a good shape too (if you get the point), so I think things were pretty fair and square.
The Turbo S is the FASTER car. No many here are disputing this. But even Chris Harris obtained less than desirable results for the Turbo S. Not every car will perform the same, especially on different pavements or weather conditions. However, you make it sound like the GT3 isn't even in the ballpark - well, I respectfully disagree. It weights almost 200kg less, has far shorter gearing with approximately only 60hp less at the wheels (on a dyno). A 2wd drive car will always be more efficient than a 4wd one.
Chris Harris obtained what? Have you heard something I haven't from him? From all I heard, he liked the Turbo S better than the GT3. Yes, the GT3 isn't even in the ballpark of the Turbo S and it is not surprising: The GT3 never was in the same ballpark when it came to straight line acceleration and now, for the first time, the GT3 is even slower on the track. So what? The Turbo S costs 60 grand more and how many Turbo S owners will actually put UHP tires on their car? It doesn't matter, unless you really have unrealistic expectations from the GT3, which some people really seem to have (judging by the many negative comments after the Sport Auto Supertest). The GT3 performed just fine, so did Horst v. Saurma but the GT3 is no GT2 RS and not even a GT3 RS.
Porsche won't be happy with you if they learn about your GT3 bashing. Best to let all future GT3 owners enjoy their cars. You made your choice - be happy. And let's all get along. LOL
Porsche knows exactly where I am standing and I think the reason why they always made me happy is the fact that I am an honest guy and always give them a fair piece of mind. You should read my early comments about the GT3 where I defended the usage of PDK and the new engine. Even when production was delayed, I still defended the car because I know how much development work has been put into this project. Same goes to the new 991 Turbo S btw..
If you really think I am bashing the GT3, you don't seem to understand the language I am speaking. Is my English really that bad?!
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 991 Turbo S, Porsche Boxster S (981), BMW X3 35d (2013)