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Dec 21, 2013 1:00:07 PM
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Lets not forget that after 265 kph, the front engine deciuples, so 887 - 130)))
That makes sense as I seem to recall that the front electric motor directly runs the front wheels, without any gearing, while the rear electric motor is coupled with the gearbox. I would also be curious how much charge the batteries can provide for high-speed runs in a consecutive manner.
Dec 22, 2013 1:11:35 AM
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Re: 918 latest news
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kudryavchik:
This is old data...
I think the PDF is quite new and certainly many pages of details with ring time comparsions with/without track tyres etc....
Around 3 weeks ago Porsche announced new acceleration and e-mode figures. 0-200 7.2 sec and 0-300 19,9. Normal package is 20,9 sec.
Interesting document! What was a lap time with race tyres? It is very interesting to compare with zonda r and 599 xx
Just to be accurate, Porsche's most recent press release states the weissach package is 2.1s faster to 300km/h, at 19.9s. This means the regular version needs 22s to reach 300km/h and it needs 14.3 s for the 200-300 sprint.
http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=830
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Dec 22, 2013 10:07:16 AM
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kudryavchik:
TB993tt:
kudryavchik:
This is old data...
I think the PDF is quite new and certainly many pages of details with ring time comparsions with/without track tyres etc....
Around 3 weeks ago Porsche announced new acceleration and e-mode figures. 0-200 7.2 sec and 0-300 19,9. Normal package is 20,9 sec.
Interesting document! What was a lap time with race tyres? It is very interesting to compare with zonda r and 599 xx
Just to be accurate, Porsche's most recent press release states the weissach package is 2.1s faster to 300km/h, at 19.9s. This means the regular version needs 22s to reach 300km/h and it needs 14.3 s for the 200-300 sprint.
http://press.porsche.com/news/release.php?id=830
That is the comparison with previous version of weissach package. Look for the specs is new version of webspecial.
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This car sets the benchmark of car engeneering. It will take years until Ferrari, McLaren or other sport car manufacturers will be able to cope up. All the engeneering done for LaFerrari or McLaren MP12 seems to be for nothing, compared to what Porsche delivered here. It almost looks like the others made the developing effort without any outcome - they are dismissed and failed!
Porsche absolutely nailed it - the look, the performance - everything is stunning - they delivered the future of sports cars, every car else will have to meassure with it - not only the power, also the economy!
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Lars997:
This car sets the benchmark of car engeneering. It will take years until Ferrari, McLaren or other sport car manufacturers will be able to cope up. All the engeneering done for LaFerrari or McLaren MP12 seems to be for nothing, compared to what Porsche delivered here. It almost looks like the others made the developing effort without any outcome - they are dismissed and failed!
Porsche absolutely nailed it - the look, the performance - everything is stunning - they delivered the future of sports cars, every car else will have to meassure with it - not only the power, also the economy!
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Lars997:
This car sets the benchmark of car engeneering. It will take years until Ferrari, McLaren or other sport car manufacturers will be able to cope up. All the engeneering done for LaFerrari or McLaren MP12 seems to be for nothing, compared to what Porsche delivered here. It almost looks like the others made the developing effort without any outcome - they are dismissed and failed!
Porsche absolutely nailed it - the look, the performance - everything is stunning - they delivered the future of sports cars, every car else will have to meassure with it - not only the power, also the economy!
The same as with 959! Ferrari F40, answer to 959, was a great car, but simply powerful engine and lightweight chassis. 959 was a group b monster;)
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Lars997:
This car sets the benchmark of car engeneering. It will take years until Ferrari, McLaren or other sport car manufacturers will be able to cope up. All the engeneering done for LaFerrari or McLaren MP12 seems to be for nothing, compared to what Porsche delivered here. It almost looks like the others made the developing effort without any outcome - they are dismissed and failed!
Porsche absolutely nailed it - the look, the performance - everything is stunning - they delivered the future of sports cars, every car else will have to meassure with it - not only the power, also the economy!
To soon to get to this conclusion.
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Dec 23, 2013 12:22:31 PM
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Atzporsche:
I bet in real life, every 918 is quicker than 2.5.
Not really, this car is not AWD and putting all that power to the ground is a challenge, even for the advanced traction control systems. The performance "air" below 3 seconds is pretty thin. 
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Its AWD from the start till 265 kmh AFAIK
Well, it is actually an "electric" AWD with torque vectoring because of the concept with electric engines in front and rear, not a real AWD optimized for traction and performance. Of course we could argue if this gives the 918 any advantages traction-wise but I doubt it. I rather think that this is necessary for the car to handle the instantaneous huge torque from the electric/hybrid drive. I'm not expert in hybrids/electric cars though, so... 
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Yes, its fully electric and disconnected awd - i believe it is astonishingly complex to make calibration of these systems.
Acceleration 0-60
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNDGkOpGtb4#t=45
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kudryavchik:
Yes, its fully electric and disconnected awd - i believe it is astonishingly complex to make calibration of these systems.
Acceleration 0-60
I'm actually very impressed with the software programmers. Must have been the hell of a job (and not in a positive way). Amazing.
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Lars997:
This car sets the benchmark of car engeneering. It will take years until Ferrari, McLaren or other sport car manufacturers will be able to cope up. All the engeneering done for LaFerrari or McLaren MP12 seems to be for nothing, compared to what Porsche delivered here. It almost looks like the others made the developing effort without any outcome - they are dismissed and failed!
Porsche absolutely nailed it - the look, the performance - everything is stunning - they delivered the future of sports cars, every car else will have to meassure with it - not only the power, also the economy!
To soon to get to this conclusion.
J.Seven
Depends on the metric :)
For collector value, no, Porsche never has the mythical value like Ferrari, so their top dog always never measures up.
For sales success, depending on point of view, Porsche wins, they sold more, or they fail as they didn't fill their production target yet.
For engineering, Porsche wins. The 918 may not be as advanced as the 959 as compared with it's generation, which was 10-15 years ahead of everything else, but it is still at least 5 years ahead of everything on the road today.
Performance, since McLaren declined to disclose their time and Ferrari will never do a ring time, Porsche wins by default with the Ring record.
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I actually consider my 991 Turbo S to be a worthy 959 successor (and I cannot believe I am saying this because the 959 was always something very special for me) but the 918 is some sort of mixture between the 959, the Carrera GT, the GT3 RS and something which doesn't apparently exist yet in the Porsche family, the "960". I think the 918 is a clear indication of Porsche's future and so far I am pretty amazed (and disappointed) that Porsche didn't sell all of them. Maybe they really produce too many of them because exclusivity sometimes seems to count more than innovative technology but in the end, as soon as the 918 makes it to the streets in Monaco, Miami, Dubai and so on, the desire to own one may actually increase in some people. The LaFerrari never really attracted me, even if I had the money, I would still get the 918...and a F12 just for the fun of it. 
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Your 991 Turbo S actually exceeds the 959 already :)
It's not until the 997 Turbo that Porsche managed to equal the 959, 20 years. It was the first car to have sequential turbo setup to tame the on/off switch natural of turbo-ed cars like the F40. The vario vane turbo in the 997 Turbo is the one technology that over took sequential setup.
918 = 959 (leading edge tech) + Carrera GT (specialized Porsche model) + GT3RS (track monster) + 991 Turbo S (everyday drivability and comfort) + PRIUS!!! (hybrid economy)
I actually think there will never be another one like it ever, from anyone.
With the money saved from buying the 918 instead of P1 or LaFerrari, I think I am quite a bit there to find a 959 :)
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In my opinion the 959, in 1987, was a bigger breakthrough than the 918 is today relative to the competition. In 1988 Ferrari presented the F40 which was, technologically speaking a stone age car compared to the 959 which had aside from the mentioned sequential turbo setup, an advanced 4 wheel drive, electronic suspensions, water cooling of the head (first for a street 911) and a special gearbox . The italian magazine Quattroruote tested the 959 in november 1987 and recorded a 0-100 km/h in 3.5 seconds (the F40 tested by the same magazine recorded a 4.56 secs from 0-100 km/h).
The 918 is repeating this feat but comparatively Ferrari makes much (technologically) better cars today than it did in the past, therefore the gap is not as significant as it used to be.
Said that I can't afford either and I congratulate Whoopsy and Futch (LaF) for getting those automotive masterpieces and will be eagerly waiting for their reviews.
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intouch1:
i too feel that the 997 Turbo gen 1 was all that the 959 was when it was introduced.
I had the first 997.1 Turbo and I wanted it to be some sort of 959 successor but it wasn't. Even from day one of ownership, I had the desire to tune this car, power just wasn't satisfactory. Furthermore, the setup was way too RWD oriented, which was annoying at times. I loved this car (I kept it for five years!!!) but it was tuned and I was still happy when I sold it. This is also the main reason I never went for the 997.2 Turbo S, I was bored. The 991 Turbo S is a different story, this car ticks all the right boxes with me. I remember meeting some 997 Turbo/S customers at my dealership and telling them about my car and they didn't really believe me. Now my dealer has a couple of used 997 Turbo/S Cabs and Coupes he needs to sell. 
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intouch1:
i too feel that the 997 Turbo gen 1 was all that the 959 was when it was introduced.
If you put on Cayenne Suspension on the 997 Turbo, then it would really be the successor. Please keep in mind, the 959 was designed to win the Monte-Carlo Rallye AND the Safari. Unfortunately, Group B died before the 959 was homologated. The reason - calibration of a complex drive-train system.
According to the Chris Harris Video, the calibration has been accomplished in the 918. I think the 918 can be compared to the 959 in terms of quantum-leap. It shows what is possible these days. Just image how the hybrid staff may make its way into a 911. And some carbon fiber items too. The next decade will be very exciting.
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