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Mar 21, 2006 4:49:19 PM
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Carlos from Spain
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Re: Porsche claims 7.42 at NBR for 997 tt
Taken with a grain of salt since its a factory claim but... not bad for a 2+2 seater, with creature conforts, complete active and passive safety elements, efficient and perfroming in all weather and conditions, GT-tourer, practical, reliable, fun, etc... anybody can match that?
Lets wait till Saurma tests it, that will be the reference time.
Lets wait till Saurma tests it, that will be the reference time.
Mar 21, 2006 5:13:54 PM
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Mar 21, 2006 5:43:20 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:
Taken with a grain of salt since its a factory claim but... not bad for a 2+2 seater, with creature conforts, complete active and passive safety elements, efficient and perfroming in all weather and conditions, GT-tourer, practical, reliable, fun, etc... anybody can match that?
Lets wait till Saurma tests it, that will be the reference time.
Are you getting one?
Once again, I ask how can the 997TT time be faster by 14 sec. over the 430 given that the 430 has more hp, performance tires, carbon brakes, F1, in race mode (suspension adjusted for track) and is lighter? If Von Saurma is consistent, he will bring the 997TT in around 7:55(the time must be faster than the 430).
The manipulation of Ring times by all manufaturers and magazines has become a cottage industry and has reached the shameful stage. Why anyone would take these time seriously is incomprehensible.
Mar 21, 2006 5:45:27 PM
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Carlos from Spain said:
Taken with a grain of salt since its a factory claim but... not bad for a 2+2 seater, with creature conforts, complete active and passive safety elements, efficient and perfroming in all weather and conditions, GT-tourer, practical, reliable, fun, etc... anybody can match that?
Lets wait till Saurma tests it, that will be the reference time.
Amazing time considering the TechArt GT street tested on track-challenge.com weighing 100kg less than the 997tt and with 620 hp and 850nm only managed 7:43!
Mar 21, 2006 6:04:43 PM
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Are you getting one?
Nope, it would be hard for me to part with RWD and go back to AWD again, I love the RWD and AWD is not as fun for my needs (and I also love the tight -20mm and lighter weight), but just in case I don't think I will test ride a Turbo because maybe I will change my mind!
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Once again, I ask how can the 997TT time be faster by 14 sec. over the 430 given that the 430 has more hp, performance tires, carbon brakes, F1, in race mode (suspension adjusted for track) and is lighter? If Von Saurma is consistent, he will bring the 997TT in around 7:55(the time must be faster than the 430).
Same old story Nick, same thing happened with the F360 and 996TT. Its called handling in the N'ring which is no normal track. This is were the chasis with its AWD, grip, aerodinamics, balance, etc, etc and 40 yr evolutioned platform and setup of the 911 shines... in the "real world enviroment" like the Ring, not the smooth flat track or drag strip.
But this 997TT 7:42 is a factory claim and the F430's 7:55 is a Saurma Supertest lap, they are not fit for comparison, you have to wait for the Saurma lap time whihc will likely be slower than Rohrl's. My guess around 7:46.
Mar 21, 2006 6:17:32 PM
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Carlos, we are talking about a Ferrari and not a Chevy or any other car. When it comes to balance, aerodynamics, grip and the rest, Ferrari certainly knows what it is doing.
von suarma's time in the 430 is bogus.
BTW, I do understand your rationale for sticking with the 997S
von suarma's time in the 430 is bogus.
BTW, I do understand your rationale for sticking with the 997S
Re: Porsche claims 7.42 at NBR for 997 tt
If the Ferraris were such killers at the NBR, why do you think Ferrari doesn't release factory times?
Don't get me wrong, the F430 or 599GTB are THE cars to have, they are just impossible to buy at a decent price in the US. As cheaper alternatives, the 997TT, 997GT3 or Z06 are awsome cars depending on your budget.
Don't get me wrong, the F430 or 599GTB are THE cars to have, they are just impossible to buy at a decent price in the US. As cheaper alternatives, the 997TT, 997GT3 or Z06 are awsome cars depending on your budget.
Re: Porsche claims 7.42 at NBR for 997 tt
Actually we have that time in article that Nic posted few days ago:
http://www.netzeitung.de/autoundtechnik/386573.html
This 7.42min is with sport tires. And it is manual with LSD..
BTW, article is in German.
http://www.netzeitung.de/autoundtechnik/386573.html
This 7.42min is with sport tires. And it is manual with LSD..
BTW, article is in German.
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Don't get me wrong, the F430 or 599GTB are THE cars to have, they are just impossible to buy at a decent price in the US. As cheaper alternatives, the 997TT, 997GT3 or Z06 are awsome cars depending on your budget.
The cars to have??
Cheaper alternatives???
I'm quite sure most potential Turbo/GT3/RS owners are buying
them cause they WANT THAT cars, not because they are getting
2nd best cause they cannot afford better.
Look. I respect Ferrari owners. Ferraris are beautiful and capable cars. Just drove past a Red 360 last night and it looked and sounded beautiful
... But I thinkPorsches look and sound even better
.I dont drive my Porsche thinking "I like this car but only if i could afford a Ferrari
"Just my oppinion
Mar 21, 2006 7:15:28 PM
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Carlos from Spain
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Carlos, we are talking about a Ferrari and not a Chevy or any other car. When it comes to balance, aerodynamics, grip and the rest, Ferrari certainly knows what it is doing.
Not when it comes to the ring and what it shows about a car's capabilities... check the previous Ferrari models Nring lap times... or why do you thing the Enzo has not set foot in the ring or has been expresively prohibited to do so by the company?
By the way that "chevy" will likely kick the F430's butt in the Ring by a wide margin
sure its only bang for the buck with no other attractiveness than that, since all its other aspects are far from atrtractive, but if we are talking just about the ring, the F430 can only wish to be like it. But don't feel threatened, the ring is not everything... specially for you.
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BTW, I do understand your rationale for sticking with the 997S
My rationale, is MY rationale, make no mistake, the Turbo is the next benchmark in its class once again. For me I like the RWD and agility/playfulness of the C2S-20mm but with PSM and rear seats, others prefer to skip rear seats & PSM in order take the C2S-20mm one step further with the GT3, other prefer the all weather/condition performance and brute power of the 997TT beast, and so on with the line up... luckily for us Porsche is the only company that can offer such a range for us to pick from. I would love to have a 997TT as well, but that would be too much
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No dude you got me wrong... Like you said Ferraris are traditionally more like weekend cars and Porsches like daily drivers, although the newer cars like the F430 looks like its starting to break that trend.
But If i had enough $$ I'd drive a 997T daily and have a 997gt3/RS for fun... Ferraris just dont do it for me, thats all...The thing that makes it worse for me is that most people think that by default Ferraris are superior cars to Porsche's.
Ferraris are hugely over-rated in my opinion.
You have no idea how much times I'll drive past a 360Modena or F355 while I have a buddy next to me. The sort of standard response ive gotten in those types of scenarios go along the likes of.. "Dont even try it Brendan, that car will kill yours."
Even when speaking to chicks theyll be like "So why didnt you get a Ferrari" WTF??!!
I think traditionally Ferraris cause much more emotion than other cars. Most people only start to feel that way once about Porsches once they drive one.
I was in love with the brand since I was 13 though... Over the past 7/8 years I've really developed something special for these cars.
But If i had enough $$ I'd drive a 997T daily and have a 997gt3/RS for fun... Ferraris just dont do it for me, thats all...The thing that makes it worse for me is that most people think that by default Ferraris are superior cars to Porsche's.
Ferraris are hugely over-rated in my opinion.
You have no idea how much times I'll drive past a 360Modena or F355 while I have a buddy next to me. The sort of standard response ive gotten in those types of scenarios go along the likes of.. "Dont even try it Brendan, that car will kill yours."
Even when speaking to chicks theyll be like "So why didnt you get a Ferrari" WTF??!!
I think traditionally Ferraris cause much more emotion than other cars. Most people only start to feel that way once about Porsches once they drive one.
I was in love with the brand since I was 13 though... Over the past 7/8 years I've really developed something special for these cars.
Ya know, I just might buy a new Ferrari if I knew how to
you can't buy a new Ferrari unless you are a long time customer, know the "secret handshake" or are willing to pay huge $'s over list price. The last time I tried to even get on the list for a 430, I was told the best way was to buy 2 used Ferraris or one used Maserati (they can't seem to give them away) and then I would be permitted on the list, but not for the spyder, only for a coupe and expect delivery in 4 years.
I checked my wallet and noticed that my money really is green.
I'd love to own a Ferrari, the car - I just don't think I can stand the "Ferrari mystique"
I checked my wallet and noticed that my money really is green.
I'd love to own a Ferrari, the car - I just don't think I can stand the "Ferrari mystique"
Re: Porsche claims 7.42 at NBR for 997 tt
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If the Ferraris were such killers at the NBR, why do you think Ferrari doesn't release factory times?
Don't get me wrong, the F430 or 599GTB are THE cars to have, they are just impossible to buy at a decent price in the US. As cheaper alternatives, the 997TT, 997GT3 or Z06 are awsome cars depending on your budget.
Ridiculous.
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BC997J said:
I think traditionally Ferraris cause much more emotion than other cars.
Ferrari as your mistress, Porsche for your wife...
Most people won't even come close to using the potential of the car. It is all about the satisfaction you get from it.
Re: Porsche claims 7.42 at NBR for 997 tt
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Actually we have that time in article that Nic posted few days ago:
http://www.netzeitung.de/autoundtechnik/386573.html
This 7.42min is with sport tires. And it is manual with LSD..
BTW, article is in German.
Are you implying that Nick is spreading rumours about Porsche NBR lap times
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Nick, I usually read your posts with a big smile, but here your love for the Ferrari's is to strong. If you had spend time tracking your car or better a few hours in the pits during serious racing practice you would see how easy it is to loose or gain a second or more by twitching the setup. This on tracks like Hockenheim 1:10-1:30 minutes. Same driver and with minutes between, i.e. exact same conditions. Take that and apply it to the 21 km NBR and you can guess what happens.
If I was you I would put my money on the Z06 rather than the 430
By the way I do not care about the NBR times, and could I afford it I would rather look towards the GT3
Thomas
If I was you I would put my money on the Z06 rather than the 430
By the way I do not care about the NBR times, and could I afford it I would rather look towards the GT3
Thomas
Mar 21, 2006 8:41:39 PM
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To my knowledge there are no "official" factory times for the Ring. Car manufacturers who build their cars for the Ring allow friendly journalist post times and the factory follows up with an unofficial time from a factory driver who exceeds the posted "official" time. It is all a game and the smart car manufacturers refuse to participate in the ruse. Ferrari is one.
I fully understand the frustration many of you have regarding buying a Ferrari. The system stinks but honestly I cannot come up with a better one. Very limited production cars create hellish marketing problems. No one has come up with a viable alternative.
Brendon your bias toward Porsche is commendable. However do not let it cause you to be blind and deaf. Porsche makes an excellent car but it is not as stylish or good sounding as a Ferrari or for that matter, a Aston Martin.
Carlos, if you believe the Z06 will kill the 430 at the Ring then that undercuts your argument regarding the 997TT and 430.
Thomas are you saying that the 997TT suspesion is that much better than the Ferrari which would enable it to beat the Ferrari around the Ring by 14 sec?
I fully understand the frustration many of you have regarding buying a Ferrari. The system stinks but honestly I cannot come up with a better one. Very limited production cars create hellish marketing problems. No one has come up with a viable alternative.
Brendon your bias toward Porsche is commendable. However do not let it cause you to be blind and deaf. Porsche makes an excellent car but it is not as stylish or good sounding as a Ferrari or for that matter, a Aston Martin.
Carlos, if you believe the Z06 will kill the 430 at the Ring then that undercuts your argument regarding the 997TT and 430.
Thomas are you saying that the 997TT suspesion is that much better than the Ferrari which would enable it to beat the Ferrari around the Ring by 14 sec?
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