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I believe the new engine needs to be homologated for the RSR as it runs in a multi make series. Porsche Motorsports want to use the same engine as basis for Cup & RSR...

wurlie:

Spyderidol, from what I understand, the 991RSR has been homologated using the 991 Carrera 4 tub, and a Mezger engine. Does this mean that under ACO/FIA rules an engine and a chassis have to be in production, currently or in the past, but not necessarily together in a specific production car?

As a counter point to some posts above, which I do appreciate, Porsche did not need to homologate the engine for the 991 CUP, as it is primarily produced to race in Porsche's own racing series. However, they still chose Mezger engine for that application.

And I do agree that there is an element of pride and satisfaction to know that some of the parts in my car have actually been used for racing. It matters to me. Just like the absolute speed on track does not. Might be different for other folks, which I respect.

Best, w

1. - A very interesting question and one that is not immediately addressed in the casual reading of the current rules. My take on this however is that as the Mezger has a valid homologation, then the ACO/FiA would not have any qualms about allowing a different (albeit homologated) engine in a new chassis (as long as the new chassis was then homologated). Both chassis and engine have road-going versions, so I don't see that this would cause any consternation.

2 - Although the Porsche Cup is a mono make series and is not subjected to ACO rules, it is FiA sanctioned, so it is not completely free of rules and regulations (especially concerning safety). However, this has nothing to do with the "choice" of Mezger engines (for 2013). AP made it quite clear that the new GT3 engine is completely different to the current Mezger engine, and they would need time to get client teams up to speed on running (working, maintenance, etc.) the engines. As the 2013 Super Cup season starts quite early (and way before the GT3 was launched), I suspect that Porsche decided to make 2013 a "teaching" year for clients, whilst they continued to run the Mezger engine cars.

As there were big changes (from 997 to 991) this allows the teams to get to grips with the new chassis and suspension without having to cope with learning a new engine as well.

I suspect that 2014 will be a revealing year for Porsche motorsports. I am certainly looking forward to it.

Mike in CA:

Are you certain it's GT silver and not Rhodium Silver? It just might change my color choice if it's Rhodium.

There has been lots of speculation as to what the new Rhodium Silver looks like, and I also have been looking all over the internet to find more information.  I happened to stumble upon this video clip of the facelifted Panamera Turbo Executive on the Panamera section of Rennteam... Does not look like GT Silver or Platinum Silver to me.... Perhaps this is Rhodium Silver?... 

2011 Porsche Carrera 4S Platinum Silver (sold)
2013 Porsche Panamera GTS Basalt Black

2013 Porsche Carrera S GT Silver

“The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively” 
― Bob Marley

I think this is the perfect color combo....

agate grey with black wheels!

2011 Porsche Carrera 4S Platinum Silver (sold)
2013 Porsche Panamera GTS Basalt Black

2013 Porsche Carrera S GT Silver

“The greatness of a man is not in how much wealth he acquires, but in his integrity and his ability to affect those around him positively” 
― Bob Marley

Yes, Agate seems to be very nice but why doesn't Porsche actually offer FULLY black painted wheels for their cars? Also no black wheels for GT3 and Turbo/Turbo S.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

According to Kreso in September Porsche will offer black wheels on the GT3.

nberry:

According to Kreso in September Porsche will offer black wheels on the GT3.

The problem is that many customers already have to finalize their order to get their first cars in Sept./Oct..

My "deadline" is July 3rd, after that, I cannot change anything.

Only solution: I paint the rims afterwards but this requires deflating or even removing the tires (they could be damaged, 20'' low profile tires) and when I return the car back to the lease company, I would need to have the rims painted again in the OEM color(s).

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

I forgot, we in the US are last on this list to get our cars. 

Well, there are some benefits to being last.

RC:

nberry:

According to Kreso in September Porsche will offer black wheels on the GT3.

The problem is that many customers already have to finalize their order to get their first cars in Sept./Oct..

My "deadline" is July 3rd, after that, I cannot change anything.

Only solution: I paint the rims afterwards but this requires deflating or even removing the tires (they could be damaged, 20'' low profile tires) and when I return the car back to the lease company, I would need to have the rims painted again in the OEM color(s).

or you could buy a second set of black wheels and sell it when your leasing plan ends? The loss will probably equal the expenses of painting the same wheels twice.

997 GT3 3.8

Gauss:

RC:

nberry:

According to Kreso in September Porsche will offer black wheels on the GT3.

The problem is that many customers already have to finalize their order to get their first cars in Sept./Oct..

My "deadline" is July 3rd, after that, I cannot change anything.

Only solution: I paint the rims afterwards but this requires deflating or even removing the tires (they could be damaged, 20'' low profile tires) and when I return the car back to the lease company, I would need to have the rims painted again in the OEM color(s).

or you could buy a second set of black wheels and sell it when your leasing plan ends? The loss will probably equal the expenses of painting the same wheels twice.

Painting costs me aprox. 500 EUR for all four rims. A second rim set would be around 6000 EUR.  I don't have the precise prices yet but painting is the cheapest solution, trust me. The 991 Turbo S rims are insanely expensive. Prices for used rim sets are usually in the 2000-3000 EUR range, depending on the rims and their status/looks. Not sure about the new Turbo S rims but I am pretty sure that painting the rims twice is less expensive.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Ok, I see what you mean. Let me share another suggestion : You buy a used set of rims for 2-3k and have that one painted You don't need to repaint it when you sell it.

997 GT3 3.8

Gauss:

Ok, I see what you mean. Let me share another suggestion : You buy a used set of rims for 2-3k and have that one painted You don't need to repaint it when you sell it.

This actually makes sense but the problem is that even in three years, when I have to return the car, the availability of used Turbo S rims could be very very limited.  

First I have to decide on the exterior/interior color combo though, I can worry about the rim color later. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Have you had enough of black/black/black ?

997 GT3 3.8

Gauss:

Have you had enough of black/black/black ?

Actually...yes. Especially since black hides some of the design elements of the 991 Turbo (and probably of the new GT3 too). However, I have to see a couple of colors LIVE first before I make a final decision. My deadline is July 3rd, I just hope the factory gets a couple of cars built in various color combos before end of this month, so I can drive over to choose the right combo. I kind of want to post some photos of different colors as a service for interested customers but I'm not sure yet if Porsche is going to allow me to take photos. I will ask for permission though and it is actually in their best interest.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Confirmed: In 2014, the new GT3 engine will be very likely used as a base for the next 911 RSR engine.

Why not this year (2013)? Because it isn't quite clear where the GTE class is heading to...so Porsche slowed down development for the new direct injection engine.

There you go....racing. 

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Any updates/rumors on tha GT3 RS?

997TT RS Tuning stage II,2011 Cayenne Turbo

Super Darius:

Any updates/rumors on tha GT3 RS?

 

 

495-500 hp, 20-30 kg less weight vs. the GT3, price tag beyond good and evil (I heard something of minimum 20k more for the RS and this does not include PCCB).

Availability? Well...sometimes 2014.

Rumors...yet.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Christian,20K Euros more than the GT3,for me can work...is like to tell 160/170K,

you whant to tell this,right?

997TT RS Tuning stage II,2011 Cayenne Turbo

RC:

Confirmed: In 2014, the new GT3 engine will be very likely used as a base for the next 911 RSR engine.

Why not this year (2013)? Because it isn't quite clear where the GTE class is heading to...so Porsche slowed down development for the new direct injection engine.

There you go....racing. 

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

This is great news! Thanks RC.

Best, w

RC:

Confirmed: In 2014, the new GT3 engine will be very likely used as a base for the next 911 RSR engine.

Why not this year (2013)? Because it isn't quite clear where the GTE class is heading to...so Porsche slowed down development for the new direct injection engine.

There you go....racing. 

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

good news! The RSR will need it!

Gloss Black painted wheels option(code XDG) is in German configurator from today-available week 36/2013.

Super Darius:

Christian,20K Euros more than the GT3,for me can work...is like to tell 160/170K,

you whant to tell this,right?

 

Base price in Germany for the GT3 is aprox. 138k EUR, so it would be 158k EUR for the GT3 RS plus the options you want. So yes, I think 170k EUR for a well optioned car would be OK but I just got another rumor in just ten minutes ago, a rumor based on my "20k over GT3 price tag" post. The rumor indicates an even higher price tag for the GT3 RS, in the region of 165k EUR.  Base price. So you would end up somewhere around 175-180k with options. This is of course only speculation. 

Do you really want a GT3 RS? It wouldn't stand a chance performance-wise (street) vs. the new 991 Turbo S (or the new Turbo for that matter). Rumored performance figures are 3.4 seconds from 0-100 kph and 0-200 kph in 11.4 seconds. This is amazing for a N/A car but not even close to Turbo S performance. On the other hand, the GT3 RS is an amazing cars for windy roads and of course for the track, no doubt about it.

Also the new GT2 should be available sometimes next year, with 560 horses and aprox. 90-100 kg less than the Turbo S. Could be an interesting alternative to the GT3 RS.

To be honest: For mostly street driving, the GT3 would be more than enough and the cheaper buy.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Thanks Christian!

The Gt2 sure will be the best choice for me(from when i started to own Porsches 15 years ago, my dream is a GT2)but it will costs too much for me ,is out of play.

I can/whant to spend not much than 170/180 for a 911,and the Turbo S is out also of this range.A Turbo non S can work,but then there is the Turbo S,and a "standard" Turbo now that they comes out at the same time,for me remain the bad brother... so no way.

Then  the GT3,same thing,i know me and i'm sure that when the RS will come i start to look at it and a regret the day i took the non RS,also if i know that is the BEST compromise performance/costs now..

So,i took the decision to wait the GT3RS,and if is around 175K i will take it (i'm not interested in PCCB,so if they are optional,i have a bonus of XXXX,XX euros to spend in other goodies).

Sure it will be a very good 911,yes not fast on road as a TTS,but in last times i'm not so stressed for this,years ago more,maybe i'm getting old...hahah

now i prefer something more exclusive due i will drive it a day a week(saturday afternoon or sunday) and only for fun,and i think for this a Gt3 RS,is more exclusive and fun than a Turbo.Also i whant to take it for some years,and the resale value of a Turbo usually is worse than a RS,but this is another story.

i can stay with a 2 seats car,due my son love to be on car with me and my wife doesn't love much,for this reason the back seats are not important.For family use we have other cars.

997TT RS Tuning stage II,2011 Cayenne Turbo

Dario, interesting read. I still think that the GT3 would be the right choice for you but you buy the car and you want something special, so the GT3 RS maybe the just a bit "better" for you. I get it.

I was thinking about the GT3 a lot and with back seats, I may have had considered one but in the end, I know that I need the extra room in the back, so there was no solution. If I realize after three years that I barely used the back seats, I will take a GT2 RS in consideration, if I can afford it. 

You need to be aware however that once you went Turbo, you may have difficulties getting used to a N/A engine and you may miss the turbo boost. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), 991 Turbo S (Oct. 5th), BMW X3 35d (2013)

Sure,the worst part is the lack of turbo boost...i know it,and i'm a few worried.

I remember my first 996 C2,i come from different tuned versions of the Lancia Delta HF Integrale,and the Carrera seems/was SLOW,is a diferent type of drive ,more low gears and high rew than with a Turbo engine.

but,the jump in prices of the 991TTS give me no alternatives...and i don't whant to think of the jump of costs of the 991 GT2 respect the 997 GT2.

Really this times the play is too hard for me.i must choose with heart but also with minds and money pocket.

now i need pics of the RS!!can't wait to see colours,stripes,wing, etc.

997TT RS Tuning stage II,2011 Cayenne Turbo

Just wait for a used 991 TTS. Prices will drop faster and harder than previous models.

SciFrog:

Just wait for a used 991 TTS. Prices will drop faster and harder than previous models.

If everyone will wait for a used 991 TTS, there were no people to buy a used one from Somebody must be the first, so go ahead!