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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
Upsa:
This thread is losing steam guys....no new pics?
You will see the real deal soon. Be patient. 
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
sfo:
I wonder what they will do with the Diesel offerings ..
On UK's used car locator, there are at least 10 Platinum Edition Diesel 'demonstrators'.
must be some good deals on stock cars with the facelift imminent.
There are major deals to be had - stock V6s are going for more than 3500 KWD (nearly 9200 EUR) off sticker with a bit of negotiation and arm-wringing.
I say enough of this and bring out the facelift; we already know what to expect so they might as well. 
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
i cut a deal with my dealor that i am specing my perfect GTS but i don't care about locking in first option so it is for sale to public from day 1. i will back stop some of the crazy stuff if i don't want it and it doesn't sell by the fall - seems like a decent hedge transaction. may cost me but this GTS is an amazing spec so what the heck. average GTS in Canada is about $140k & this is $160k so i don't think there will be a line up for it.
the build is truely a "sport" GTS other than the paddle shift stock wheel. it ain't heated so no go around here
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
Panamera facelift S version will be V6-twin turbo not a V8. Got that from my dealer... Actually thinking of going for a GTS, not for a turbo this time around. GTS is supposed to come out at the same time as the other models... more info soon :)
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
BlackSparrow:
Panamera facelift S version will be V6-twin turbo not a V8. Got that from my dealer... Actually thinking of going for a GTS, not for a turbo this time around. GTS is supposed to come out at the same time as the other models... more info soon :)
It is interesting that this rumor seems to go around North America for some while now. If it would be true, Porsche would loose many customers in my opinion.
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
I have heard about a V6 Turbo but I haven´t heard anything about replacing the V8 engine. But who knows - the V6 turbo will have better performance, pollution and consumption values.
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
ALDO:
I have heard about a V6 Turbo but I haven´t heard anything about replacing the V8 engine. But who knows - the V6 turbo will have better performance, pollution and consumption values.
Judging by the price tag of the Panamera S, I just can't see Porsche introducing a V6 (turbo charged or not) in this class. The competition uses V8 engines. However, like you said...you never know. 
Maybe they are referring to a base model replacement (V6) or the hybrid?!
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
depending how they present this twin-turbo V6. They can market it like a super-fuel efficient engine with the superior performance. BMW and AUDI are all going for turbo V6 in place of V8s.
btw, back to TT, GTS is not going to cut it ;)
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
Speaking of Turbo and GTS (may not be directly related but I wanted to warn you guys): As you know, I've chosen the Cayenne GTS over a Cayenne Turbo. Dealer offer was almost the same since the Cayenne Turbo was a showroom car for a couple of months and the options were pretty basic (no PDCC, no PTV, almost nothing special). I chose the GTS over the Turbo because of the looks, the handling/steering and the sound of course. For me, this has been a very good choice so far because I also own a Panamera Turbo S and when I need something fast for the Autobahn, well...
Yesterday however, my Cayenne GTS choice sucked: I was on my way to our annual ski vacation on the Autobahn and I really had a hard time to overtake those powerful Turbo Diesel family cars over here and had at one point problems keeping up with the crowd. This was no fun. Of course my Cayenne GTS was fully loaded (family, lots of luggage) but still...it sucked. It was the first time I did a longer Autobahn trip with the fully loaded car and this is the point I started to wish I would have gone for the Turbo. Of course I barely use my GTS on the Autobahn (this is what the Panamera is for) and as soon as I drive the car again through the city and on country roads, everything will be forgotten but if you are really into powerful cars and you can afford it, always go for the most powerful version you can buy. Otherwise you will regret it sooner or later.
So if the Panamera is going to be your daily driver for everything, including longer trips, please choose the Turbo. The GTS provides a sportier feel and sound but at some point, when you get "humiliated" 
by another family car or even SUV, you wish you had chosen the more powerful car.
Example: A Panamera GTS owner told me once how weird he felt when his buddy passed him in his Cayenne Turbo S (957) on the Autobahn. The difference was minimal but c'mon...his friend was driving that fat SUV and he was driving the sportiest Panamera version. You get the point...
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
keithos27:
RC, at what sort of speeds are you experiencing trouble keeping up/overtaking in a GTS? For us non-Autobahn countries I'm wondering at what speeds this sort of thing is an issue?
"Worst speeds" are actually those below 200 kph. Over 200 kph, the Cayenne GTS is surprisingly powerful, so I usually leave those Diesel cars behind.
My wife has a BMW X3 35d, it looks like every ordinary X3 out there you find at every corner in Bavaria but from 0-100 kph she kills me in her car (her car does 0-100 kph in 5.5 seconds) and even up to 160 kph or so, I can't shake her off.
So for speed limited countries, I actually suggest getting the Turbo because 0-100 kph (62 mph) runs are very common and the GTS surely loses vs. the Turbo (6.0 seconds vs. 4.6 seconds).
Also the turbo "kick" when accelerating at various speeds is fun, the gradual and more spontaneous acceleration from the N/A GTS engine is very spontaneous, indeed but not really fun because of the lack of that amazing power "kick".
It is difficult to describe but the performance difference between the GTS and Turbo is huge (Cayenne GTS does 0-200 kph or 125 mph in around 20 seconds, give or take and the Turbo does the same in 16 seconds).
Also to be honest: Every time I fuel up my GTS, I kind of regret not getting the Turbo because fuel consumption is basically the same. Why? Well, my theory is that I push my GTS much harder than the Turbo because the GTS has less power and to be fast, I have to push it harder, while with the Turbo, I don't use full throttle all the time.
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
Misha011:
There are 7 diff. ( from this view/angle)
Well..I can assure you that you saw it wrong. 
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Re: Panamera Facelift...according to latest info, not in 2012
Upsa:
I can see 3 photoshops. But I am no expert on Pana. In any case we should look at radical changes in Gen 2, the facelift I think will be a few cosmetic changes here & there...lipstick on a pig
Nope, the changes will be clearly visible and they make the pre-facelift car look a little bit outdated. It is a clever facelift which leaves the original base shape (incl. that rear hump) but actually gives the car a more modern look...from a pig to a piglet. Facelift information should be available soon...
The changes are more than cosmetic but not radical enough to put the pre-facelift to shame.
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