The facelifted E class will be like a new car, so extensive the styling changes. Let's face it the current model isn't Mercedes' best effort in design, especially next to BMW 5 and Audi 6.
From the above picture it is obvious that the front lights are back to 2 instead of the angular 4 and the side surfacing is totally different and more appealing compared to the current car. I am sure that the rear lights will be made more attractive too.
The E class, even in 4C diesel is a superb car for traveling in, although not for driving actively. For me the best Taxi
"Form follows function"
Nov 15, 2012 8:48:09 PM
reginos:
RC:
AWD has been confirmed for the facelifted E63 AMG. Finally.
It could replace both the Panamera and the C Coupe perhaps?
I'm "stuck" with the PTS for the next four years but I will consider getting one Mercedes AMG if they finally get AWD.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/26/car-and-driver-gets-a-deeper-look-at-2014-mercedes-benz-e/
It's going to be a 2014 model.
And it's gonna be a game changer in the segment. Full time awd with over 500 hp in a sedan that seats 5.
Nothing else on the road can touch it.
Outside of the Panamera Turbo, no other high power sedan has awd, well apart from the Alpina B7. But these 2 are in the full size segment, and the Panny only seats 4. Well there is the S8 but it's much slower as it only has like what 420hp?And Audi doesn't make a RS verison.
The mid size sedan every car has the handicap of only rwd apart from the S6, that one is short on power again with the same 420hp. Not sure if Audi makes a RS6 still. Plus even if they do it's not for North America comsumption.
If BMW doesn't make their X-Drive system available to the M5, it's almost game over for them. Audi has the Quattro and now AMG with the 4matic, who else is going to consider a high power sedan that has traction issues? Not to mention Porsche is just readying their baby Panny.
They just released the new RS6 based on the current A6 model. Very curious how the new E63 AWD handles, especially in comparison to the other two contenders (RS6, Panamera). Given that those main rivals are offered with AWD, I´d be surprised if BMW would deliberately miss that chance with the M5. Therefore I´d say it´s a given that the facelift version will come with AWD as well.
Ferdie:
They just released the new RS6 based on the current A6 model. Very curious how the new E63 AWD handles, especially in comparison to the other two contenders (RS6, Panamera). Given that those main rivals are offered with AWD, I´d be surprised if BMW would deliberately miss that chance with the M5. Therefore I´d say it´s a given that the facelift version will come with AWD as well.
I don't think the Panamera is a contender for the E, A6, or M5. In any of their variants.
Whoopsy:
http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/26/car-and-driver-gets-a-deeper-look-at-2014-mercedes-benz-e/
It's going to be a 2014 model.
And it's gonna be a game changer in the segment. Full time awd with over 500 hp in a sedan that seats 5.
Nothing else on the road can touch it.
Outside of the Panamera Turbo, no other high power sedan has awd, well apart from the Alpina B7. But these 2 are in the full size segment, and the Panny only seats 4. Well there is the S8 but it's much slower as it only has like what 420hp?And Audi doesn't make a RS verison.
The mid size sedan every car has the handicap of only rwd apart from the S6, that one is short on power again with the same 420hp. Not sure if Audi makes a RS6 still. Plus even if they do it's not for North America comsumption.
If BMW doesn't make their X-Drive system available to the M5, it's almost game over for them. Audi has the Quattro and now AMG with the 4matic, who else is going to consider a high power sedan that has traction issues? Not to mention Porsche is just readying their baby Panny.
Hmm... Audi on European market have at least three models that can fullfil your 500hp/AWD need:
New S8 with biturbo 4.0L V8 http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a8/s8.html
New RS6 Avant with same engine http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/rs-6-avant.html
The new front looks pretty aggressive, let's see how it is accepted by customers who drive an AMG because they want a subtle powerful car. Yes, the AWD will hugely improve acceleration times, 0-100 kph times should be under 4 seconds. Porsche needs to be careful not to loose (performance) ground here. I don't think the E63 facelift will have a greatly improved chassis but it will be a very fast car on the straight line.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Jan 9, 2013 1:39:14 AM
BONES:
First official Picture
4 different bumpers on the new E... crazy! But I like this new AMG language.. in fact the new MB design is finally doing something exciting.
KresoF1:
Hmm... Audi on European market have at least three models that can fullfil your 500hp/AWD need:
New S8 with biturbo 4.0L V8 http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a8/s8.html
New RS6 Avant with same engine http://www.audi.de/de/brand/de/neuwagen/a6/rs-6-avant.html
Moving to Europe is definitely a tempting proposition form a car nut's stand point.
But taxes alone would be a major joy killer.
Whoopsy:
KresoF1:
Moving to Europe is definitely a tempting proposition form a car nut's stand point.
But taxes alone would be a major joy killer.
Indeed. What actually shocks me sometimes: Many people here, especially those who actually pay a lot of taxes, always seem to find an excuse to be OK with the high taxes over here because of the "good life" (is it really much worse somewhere else? ) and the social stability (really? Public opinion seems to indicate a lot of envy and fury towards good earners, the media does it's best to add even more fuel to the fire) we have here. Germans seem to love to pay taxes, without realizing that most of the money is actually getting "burned" for nothing and/or to support some weird government projects.
Take energy for example: I pay more than double for energy than in the US. I won't even start with VAT (sales tax in the US), fuel cost and other stuff.
We pay 19% VAT in Germany and I expect an even higher rate in latest three years. A gallon premium fuel is over 6 USD over here and I pay church tax and solidarity tax (unification support for East Germany...no kidding) and so on. In total, I pay aprox. 70-75% of my total income for taxes, so I have 25-30% left for my personal use. So for every single EUR I earn, I get only 25-30 cents. This is getting ridiculous.
I wouldn't even complaint if people, who don't actually pay that much taxes because they don't make much money (or any money), would be thankful and appreciate my contribution. On the contrary, for them, I don't pay enough and I have to be careful with "showing off" (cars, house, etc.).
Those who are happy with the current tax rates in Germany are plain dumb in my opinion but the media has brainwashed people in thinking that they actually do something good with their taxes, for the sake of social peace and the benefit of all.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Jan 9, 2013 8:02:08 PM
RC - I would like to suggest the media is turning people against people rather than against wasteful government spending. Follow the money is a good suggestion. Always. I am glad you and others are questioning the logic in giving a 10 cent on the dollar outfit more money when you could do so much more with it.
All that social justice, entitlements and superior lifestyle is great - just don't have the government run it. They can't manage simple stuff - you can't trust them with money at all.
We should look at this from a more logical perspective - screw the media. -
TIME = MONEY, If you take my money you have taken the time I spent earning it and I can never get that back. For each dollar you take you enslave me that much longer. When we take millions from a rich guy in taxes we are effectively enslaving him for earning more than a poor person. In fact we are taking several 'average' lifetimes of earnings from these rich people. Why exactly is it okay to enslave anyone again?
The media is so focused on all paying a FAIR SHARE that they don't even bother to see what is done with the money. Nuts.
There is not enough of other people money to keep this going for long, that is the good news. Best to keep you guns handy when that happens.
Jan 9, 2013 9:58:54 PM
RC:
Whoopsy:
KresoF1:
Moving to Europe is definitely a tempting proposition form a car nut's stand point.
But taxes alone would be a major joy killer.
Take energy for example: I pay more than double for energy than in the US. I won't even start with VAT (sales tax in the US), fuel cost and other stuff.
We pay 19% VAT in Germany and I expect an even higher rate in latest three years. A gallon premium fuel is over 6 USD over here and I pay church tax and solidarity tax (unification support for East Germany...no kidding) and so on. In total, I pay aprox. 70-75% of my total income for taxes, so I have 25-30% left for my personal use. So for every single EUR I earn, I get only 25-30 cents. This is getting ridiculous.
Those who are happy with the current tax rates in Germany are plain dumb in my opinion but the media has brainwashed people in thinking that they actually do something good with their taxes, for the sake of social peace and the benefit of all.
This is so refreshing to read... means I am not the only one. I paid 64% in my 18 months in Germany and I particularly didn't like the mandatory church and solidarity taxes... I should scan a paycheque for you guys... the list of things they subtract is longer than the nicest specced Porsche on RT I must say I am still fortunate that I was able to move to Canada because I am young and had nothing holding me back.. apart from family maybe but it's a small enough world these days. I just didn't like it in Germany, where Europe is heading and contrasting it with the exciting future prospects of Canada in general it was a no brainer for me. Now I am looking at a 2002 BMW 330ci, mind condition silver on black leather with sport package and under 100k kms for just $6,500 locally. In Germany this same car would cost at least 9,000 EUR not to mention i'd have to pay several thousands more annually for insurance, road taxes, environmental levy's, gas etc etc... It's a world of a difference... and why? So that I someday get some retirement pension? Well based on an average working life at 3k EUR monthly paying my entire life in Germany I think they would give me like 400 EUR pension... at 69 of age, possibly later when I'm at that point. It's a bad joke.
Jan 9, 2013 9:59:42 PM
Jan 10, 2013 9:01:27 AM
Leawood911:
There is not enough of other people money to keep this going for long, that is the good news. Best to keep you guns handy when that happens.
You don't really think you could fight against a government or the major population with weapons? If the revolution in France and in Russia taught me something, it is this: Get your stuff and get out in time.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Jan 10, 2013 11:32:56 AM
Jan 10, 2013 11:46:31 AM
Faster where? In straight line? Lets wait for first tests...
On the track? I do not think so.
BTW, E63 engine is bigger in displacement then PTS or RS6 Avant engines. 7 Speed auto bix that AMG is using is not in the same leagues as PDK in PTS or 8 speed auto in RS6 Avant.
I would personally choose PTS or RS6 Avant any time over new E63 AMG S.
KresoF1:
Faster where? In straight line? Lets wait for first tests...
On the track? I do not think so.
BTW, E63 engine is bigger in displacement then PTS or RS6 Avant engines. 7 Speed auto bix that AMG is using is not in the same leagues as PDK in PTS or 8 speed auto in RS6 Avant.
I would personally choose PTS or RS6 Avant any time over new E63 AMG S.
100% correct. The only advantage the Mercedes has is its low price. If you have the money, the Panamera turbo S is the better and faster car.