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reginos:

Not bad, but it is the expected smaller Cayenne.

I'd like to see more imagination in the final design. Something fresh and bold is missing from the renderings we've seen so far. The Macan is like a clean sheet of paper. It is no 911 that can only change so much.

Apparently Porsche's desire to design less than attractive cars is deep rooted!

http://jalopnik.com/5967092/this-is-the-funky-porsche-hatchback-the-company-never-built/gallery/1?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

"Form follows function"

Indeed! I now understand the Panamera, Cayenne and McCann far better after seeing that aberration.

This Porsche concept car was also from 1970. It was made by Ital Design on the basis of the mid-engined 914-916. At the time it must have looked very hot, as the wedge shape trend was just beginning.

The girl was also very hot for 1970

You will note that the distinctive glassy rear part was incorporated into the Masearti Bora of 1971.

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"Form follows function"

Yes, I can see the Bora in it. However, it reminds me even more of the DeLorean

Yes, another Giorgetto Giugiaro design. It came 4 or 5 years later than the Bora.

BTW way Giugiaro's Studio has been bought by the VW Group but it seems dormant as far as Porsche is concerned.

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"Form follows function"

dxpetrov:

this car is epic IRL.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=TMXRswBnqDQ

Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo -- Concept Development...

Porsche Panamera Sport Turismo -- Concept Development -- Video Link

...design looks good to go -- how about a model launch in MY2014?

Fabulous video, thanks!  Some fantastic new design elements--headlamps, front fascia, deeper side creases, for example. The second generation Panamers will incorporate much of this car's crispness and sharper angularity.  And surely the hybrid experimentation follows Porsche's future brand direction.

i spent quite a lot of time going over this car in L.A. recently, and still am bothered by the rear design.  Just too much going on for me, too many wavy curves and indentations.  i think the Porsche design folks will smooth out the rear in the future production car, and will ultimately offer and attractive and successful design.  

i would not buy one in the future, however. i prefer a Panamera or a Cayenne, not a mixture of both.  

Very beautifull car, but l'm a Porsche man for years and I thought it will grow on me...but NO. Perhaps I'm too conservative, but all these Cayenne's, Macan's and Panamera's is NOT a proper Porsche!  Pretty sad, but I have noticed that for the last 5-8 years, Porsche is going away from the classic Porsche design. IMO

SportCarGroup:

Very beautifull car, but l'm a Porsche man for years and I thought it will grow on me...but NO. Perhaps I'm too conservative, but all these Cayenne's, Macan's and Panamera's is NOT a proper Porsche!  Pretty sad, but I have noticed that for the last 5-8 years, Porsche is going away from the classic Porsche design. IMO

The question is: What is the classic Porsche design? The 911 shape? 

I don't have any problem with the Panamera or Cayenne design, they both look like Porsche cars too me. I'm not too fond of the Panamera design because the car looks a little bit "massive" too me but the Cayenne design is actually pretty good, considering the size of the car. I actually think that the 957/958 are closer to the "proper" Porsche design than the 955 and the Panamera actually looks like a Porsche on first sight.

I get your point but I think that Porsche had to evolve and get away from the 911 tradition because with the 911 alone, the company wouldn't have survived.

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4

On the matter of Porsche "classic design", what is it actually?

Is it the classic 911 of the 60s-70s or the 904 and 914/916 or the front engined cars of the 924/944/968 and 928 type? All dissimilar designs.

Nowadays Porsche styling takes elements from the 911 for all types of models which isn't such a good idea in most cases. For example the Panamera would have been more appealing if it looked like the Sport Turismo instead of a huge 911 and the Cayman would have looked better with a more exotic rear like the 904 than the sloping roofline a la 911.

"Form follows function"

RC:

SportCarGroup:

Very beautifull car, but l'm a Porsche man for years and I thought it will grow on me...but NO. Perhaps I'm too conservative, but all these Cayenne's, Macan's and Panamera's is NOT a proper Porsche!  Pretty sad, but I have noticed that for the last 5-8 years, Porsche is going away from the classic Porsche design. IMO

I get your point but I think that Porsche had to evolve and get away from the 911 tradition because with the 911 alone, the company wouldn't have survived.

It is clear for me that time's go on, and Porsche have to find ways to survive, but , I don't know, maybe it's me ,but the design line of the new Porsche family members became cheaper. Made in Japan look, for example when I saw 981 for the first time, I was shocked because it looked like Toyota MR2 to me....is was my first impression(and there were more rennteamers whit the same feeling). There is no place for such impressions from Porsche....Perhaps now, I think that as a Boxster, the 981it's the best looking Boxster. But still, there is not much from Porsche DNA in this "New design line". Lets say if Toyota would build the 981, I would not say that the design were took from Porsche....I cannot find anything from Porsche DNA in Cayenne 958 tail lights...there is more KIA DNA than Porsche.....955 is an ugliest suv on the market IMO. Same with Panamera....Too much Lexus.... Lets say BMW 7 series doesn't look like Mercedes or Audi or Jaguar....there is pure BMW DNA....Why Porsche cannot find their personal design niche.....(not speaking about 911). I know that Porsche are newbie in the segment of suv and luxury cars, but as a Porsche fan it's kind of pain seeing the brand going wrong way with their design....Take a look what happened to Jaguar....there is no Jaguar anymore...it's just a cars being prodeced with the same emblem, but it's not a Jaguar that we know. It's kind'a difficult to explain myself...but I think Porsche should work harder on their "design signature".

I'll try to explain my point again on BMW example. BMW haven't a suv in their model range. But when they decided to build one, they just stayed with the strong BMW style signature...When the suv came out, there were no doubt - it was pure BMW. In case with Porsche, it was diffirent. That because since Cayenne and Panamera steped in into Porsche model range, I always hear such a thing's - "Porsche Bloodlines", "Pure Porsche", "Porsche DNA" and bla bla bla about how real Porsche they are. If it has a real Porsche look, at least.....the company were not keep convince that DNA implication. It looks like Porsche being sorry for the design that do not look like Porsche supose to look, but they keep saying all the time - "Don't look at this, believe us - it is a Porsche!"

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SportCarGroup:

I'll try to explain my point again on BMW example. BMW haven't a suv in their model range. But when they decided to build one, they just stayed with the strong BMW style signature...When the suv came out, there were no doubt - it was pure BMW. In case with Porsche, it was diffirent. That because since Cayenne and Panamera steped in into Porsche model range, I always hear such a thing's - "Porsche Bloodlines", "Pure Porsche", "Porsche DNA" and bla bla bla about how real Porsche they are. If it has a real Porsche look, at least.....the company were not keep convince that DNA implication. It looks like Porsche being sorry for the design that do not look like Porsche supose to look, but they keep saying all the time - "Don't look at this, believe us - it is a Porsche!"

I don't know...all current Porsche actually look like Porsche to me. 

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, Cayenne GTS (958), BMW X3 35d (2012), Mini Cooper S Countryman All4

Even more, porsche is almost a single brand that has saved its traditions on designs. Try to compare 90's MB, BMW, maserati, ferrari and today ones. 

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RC:

SportCarGroup:

I'll try to explain my point again on BMW example. BMW haven't a suv in their model range. But when they decided to build one, they just stayed with the strong BMW style signature...When the suv came out, there were no doubt - it was pure BMW. In case with Porsche, it was diffirent. That because since Cayenne and Panamera steped in into Porsche model range, I always hear such a thing's - "Porsche Bloodlines", "Pure Porsche", "Porsche DNA" and bla bla bla about how real Porsche they are. If it has a real Porsche look, at least.....the company were not keep convince that DNA implication. It looks like Porsche being sorry for the design that do not look like Porsche supose to look, but they keep saying all the time - "Don't look at this, believe us - it is a Porsche!"

I don't know...all current Porsche actually look like Porsche to me. 

Because you know it's Porsche. If I would show you pictures of Panamera before the launch, and would told you that this is a new, let's say, Fisker Karma......Would you tell me that it looks like a Porsche to you? If yes - why? 

kudryavchik:

Even more, porsche is almost a single brand that has saved its traditions on designs. Try to compare 90's MB, BMW, maserati, ferrari and today ones. 

 

In case with 911 - you are right 100%. But anyway, my point is for the new Porsche models, such as Panamera and Cayenne + upcoming Macan

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Porsche don't have a traditional face unlike BMW and Mercedes. Because the design originated from sports cars Porsche don't have a grille like the BMW "Niere" and the Mercedes Star that easily defines the identity. If someone saw a Mercedes E class without the front grille he might not identify it as Mercedes. Same with BMW. Take out the front from a 1 series, for example and 99% of non-car people wouldn't know.

Porsche in the absence of a traditional face try to stamp a family identity with other styling cues, like the raised front fenders, the sloping bonnet,the horizontally extended rear fenders and several others. They have introduced some new cues in recent years like the concave doors from the Carrera GT that migrated to other cars and the openings on the front fenders.

IMO it was wrong to base the Panamera on the 911 profile both for aesthetic (fat rear) and practical (liitle luggage space) reasons. The Cayenne? The new one is good looking for a SUV, except some detailing like the style of the rear lights. The original Cayenne, although no beauty, still has very good presence and personality compared to other SUVs of the same period, like the original X5 and the Mercedes ML.

"Form follows function"

SportCarGroup:

kudryavchik:

Even more, porsche is almost a single brand that has saved its traditions on designs. Try to compare 90's MB, BMW, maserati, ferrari and today ones. 

 

In case with 911 - you are right 100%. But anyway, my point is for the new Porsche models, such as Panamera and Cayenne + upcoming Macan

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I disagree - to me, the Cayenne and especially the Panamera cannot be anything but Porsches. The proportions and design cues are just too reminiscent of/inspired by the 911 to be anything else. Yes, other manufacturers like Infiniti [for example] have raised fenders higher than the hood similar to the Cayenne and Panamera treatments, but the way the curves flow to the back with the traditional birthing hips, eye-like headlights and expressive facia only say one thing: Porsche.

I also think that Porsche does have a solid sense of identity and heritage in that everything is inspired to some extent by the big-daddy 911. Perhaps a bit too predictably at times, but it imparts a very strong and similar look across the model range without making every car look like a blatant rip of the 911. With rivals like Audi, however, it can be argued that all Audis look like Audis and nothing else, but there's no denying that they somewhat look like magnifications or reductions of one another.

My two cents.

rulesdontapply

Let's say if Toyota MR2 would have a 2012 model it will look like that

SportCarGroup:

Let's say if Toyota MR2 would have a 2012 model it will look like that

You take the basic form and compare it, its wrong i think... You should look over the realisation and combination... F.e. we are all people with one nose, two eyes, two ears, one mouth, but there are beautiful people and ugly ones. 

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kudryavchik:

SportCarGroup:

Let's say if Toyota MR2 would have a 2012 model it will look like that

F.e. we are all people with one nose, two eyes, two ears, one mouth, but there are beautiful people and ugly ones. 

Strong!!

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in contrast to many other manufacturers, Porsche design retains purity, and does not indulge in excessive 'features', lines, and other adornment.

SportCarGroup:

Let's say if Toyota MR2 would have a 2012 model it will look like that

It is a fact that the MR2 of the 1999-2007 period tried to imitate the 986 Boxster that preceded it.

"Form follows function"

SportCarGroup:

I'll try to explain my point again on BMW example. BMW haven't a suv in their model range. But when they decided to build one, they just stayed with the strong BMW style signature...When the suv came out, there were no doubt - it was pure BMW.

You are right.  When the first X5 came out, its rear light came directly off the part bins of the 5 series wagon.  It was an excellent financial decision but a total failure in design.

I like Cayenne and Panamera designs.  I understand their form follows function theory.  It makes total sense and they are instantly a Porsche when you look at them.  I once drove and follow behind my wife's Panamera and the 911-like rear is appealing (so is my wife's rear).

If Porsche will build this Sport Turismo concept I will buy one. Actually, if Porsche builds any new model, I will buy one. (except 918).

Tim

2010 997.2 GT3RS;  2008 Cayenne Turbo;  2006 911 Club Coupe #13;  2011 Panamera 4

Porsches design DNA is very much linked to the beautiful principle of form follows function. That is how the 365 and 911 were born and looked to some just average or sometimes even ugly. It is only after the strange 911 layout proved so pure and fun it started growing on people. I think the same will be said for panamera and cayenne.. It just takes time and I have accepted both in the Porsche lineup because they are necessary from the business point of view. That said I think that the first gen panamera and also cayenne were rushed too fast.. You can see it in the design.

Atzporsche:

Porsches design DNA is very much linked to the beautiful principle of form follows function. That is how the 365 and 911 were born and looked to some just average or sometimes even ugly. It is only after the strange 911 layout proved so pure and fun it started growing on people. I think the same will be said for panamera and cayenne.

I hope you're right. Will wait and see

SportCarGroup:

Let's say if Toyota MR2 would have a 2012 model it will look like that

you are more or less right because the Asian concept of design & reseach comprises a telephoto camera to steel the ideas of others. really quite a good way to reduce your cost structure & keep current.

2012 991 C2S -PDK / 2010 997.2 turbo cab manual, sold / 2008 Cayenne GTS Manual /2008 RS 60 sold /04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold

If Porsche will build this Sport Turismo concept I will buy one. Actually, if Porsche builds any new model, I will buy one. (except 918).

Matthias Müller, the head of Porsche confirmed: the Panamera Sport Turismo will definitely be build in the model range of the new Panamera 2015/2016. (Interview in the German Autozeitung)