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Dec 9, 2012 11:00:16 PM

Wolvy: Junior; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 119, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2003

What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Click to see the spec in the porsche website:

http://www.porsche-code.com/PD528515

• Guards Red

• Black leather interior

• Deletion of model designation

• Top tinted windscreen

• Bi-Xenon-Headlights incl. Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)

• ParkAssist front and rear

• Electric glass slide/tilt sunroof

• SportDesign package

• Sports exhaust system

• Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK)

• Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control (PDCC)

• Sport Chrono Package Plus

• 20-inch Sport Techno wheel

• Heated seats

• Cruise control

• Floor mats

• Sports seats plus, electrical 4 ways • Trim strip switch panel painted

• Guards Red seat belts

• SportDesign steering wheel

• Porsche crest embossed on head restraints

• Lid of storage bin with logo

• Preparation for mobile phone

• BOSE® Surround Sound System

• Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module

• Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (VTS)

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Dec 9, 2012 11:27:44 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4206, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

I was offered a physical stock car in almost that exact spec a couple of weeks ago.

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Dec 10, 2012 12:00:00 AM

Wolvy: Junior; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 119, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2003; Reply to: ISUK

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Hi ISUK,

It is a physical car! Perhaps the same one!

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Dec 10, 2012 12:04:04 AM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4206, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Sounds like it. It came with a huge discount

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Dec 10, 2012 8:31:37 AM

Wolvy: Junior; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 119, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2003; Reply to: ISUK

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

PM sent!

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Dec 10, 2012 9:58:57 AM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

No TPMS - deal breaker for me. Smiley There are quite a few high spec 991's out there with TPMS.

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Dec 10, 2012 12:46:08 PM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7682, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

dreamcar:

No TPMS - deal breaker for me. There are quite a few high spec 991's out there with TPMS.

I agree - no TPMS = no deal!

Also guards red is probably the least desirable colour currently, unlike in the 80's when it was the most ubiquitous...

What does 'huge discount' actually mean? Smiley

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Dec 10, 2012 1:23:18 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4206, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: John H

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

I must have received specs of at least a dozen 991's from around the country from my dealer and none of them had TPMS. Dealers rarely spec it in my experience which indicates it is not a hugely popular option in the UK or it would be on these cars.

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Dec 10, 2012 1:56:30 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: ISUK

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

ISUK:

I must have received specs of at least a dozen 991's from around the country from my dealer and none of them had TPMS. Dealers rarely spec it in my experience which indicates it is not a hugely popular option in the UK or it would be on these cars.

There are (were) a few with TPMS last time I looked on the Porsche used car site. Smiley Can't understand why such an important safety feature is not more popular -or better still standard, as it has to be by law in the USA.

I agree with John, guards red wouldn't be my first choice, but each to their own when it comes to colour

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Dec 10, 2012 3:02:46 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Generally speaking, the larger the car the less attractive is red. I think that after 993, red is not suited to 911s.

As TPMS regards it is very useful to have. On the downside someone could become obsessive with tyre pressure variations and it can become a nuisance.

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Dec 10, 2012 3:29:17 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14180, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: ISUK

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

ISUK:

I must have received specs of at least a dozen 991's from around the country from my dealer and none of them had TPMS. Dealers rarely spec it in my experience which indicates it is not a hugely popular option in the UK or it would be on these cars.

Here too , it is not popular. Each time I got it for my car, my dealer asked me 3 times if I was realy sure I wanted it .

It seems it does not interest anybody. As for me, in the last 7 years, it only showed me a slow puncture ( screw in the tyre ) which I would of probably noticed . To me it helps me mainly when I do track days, specialy after , when I need to put the pressure back to normal.....

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Dec 10, 2012 5:34:08 PM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7682, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: Gnil

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Gnil:

ISUK:

I must have received specs of at least a dozen 991's from around the country from my dealer and none of them had TPMS. Dealers rarely spec it in my experience which indicates it is not a hugely popular option in the UK or it would be on these cars.

Here too , it is not popular. Each time I got it for my car, my dealer asked me 3 times if I was realy sure I wanted it .

It seems it does not interest anybody. As for me, in the last 7 years, it only showed me a slow puncture ( screw in the tyre ) which I would of probably noticed . To me it helps me mainly when I do track days, specialy after , when I need to put the pressure back to normal.....

That's exactly why TPMS is so important. You very likely wouldn't have noticed the slow puncture until the pressure was very low indeed due to the firm side-wall on the low profile tyre. If you had then engaged in some spirited or high speed driving you could well have experienced a very nasty accident!

They haven't made the feature compulsory in the US for no reason... Smiley

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Dec 10, 2012 5:45:31 PM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: John H

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

TPMS is a must - not because you will lack 0.2 psi in a tyre, but if you have a flat there is a high chance that you will not feel it. I had a flat once in the rear and I hardly felt it - and you cant see it either!

Its a pity that Porsche dont have the system like i.e. BMW where they use the ABS sensors to measure a broken Tyre. As the down on the TPMS is the battery.. when you need to change it, its kind of hell of a process!

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Dec 10, 2012 5:56:01 PM

Wolvy: Junior; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 119, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2003; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

As ISUK states, virtually no cars in UK have the TPMS, I really don't think I would notice it not being there....

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Dec 10, 2012 6:01:41 PM

ag23: Co-Pilot; Loc: Puerto Rico , United States; Posts: 223, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 13, 2011; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Agate grey!!!! With black wheels!!!

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Dec 10, 2012 6:26:25 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Wolvy:

As ISUK states, virtually no cars in UK have the TPMS, I really don't think I would notice it not being there....

You only need to notice it once. That one time may save you from a serious accident or worse. Trust me you will NOT notice a slow puncture. The very low profile tyres with their firm side walls give no indication whatsoever. In my own case I only detected a slow puncture purely by chance when I decided to check the tyre pressures as the weather was getting colder. The offside rear was down from 40 psi to 25 psi and it took me a good five minutes to find the offending screw. If I hadn't checked the pressures that morning before I had a planned spirited drive God knows what might have happened. TPMS would have gone into alarm mode if the pressure drops as little as 2 psi. IMHO it's as important a safety feature as stability management.

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Dec 10, 2012 7:05:13 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Wolvy:

As ISUK states, virtually no cars in UK have the TPMS

Of the 66 991S (coupe and convertible, RWD only), on the Porsche GB used car site 15 have TPMS

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Dec 10, 2012 11:33:50 PM

jesse: Co-Pilot; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 270, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 13, 2004; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

If you ask me, I'd change the wheels from Techno

to Carrera S with Platinum paint. Suits the sporty guards red colour more, IMHO.

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Dec 11, 2012 10:07:52 AM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4206, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

dreamcar:

Of the 66 991S (coupe and convertible, RWD only), on the Porsche GB used car site 15 have TPMS

I could only find 10 on there with TPMS and 7 of those are the original launch cars which were spec'ed by PGB in conjunction with the factory who were keen to push certain options Smiley I can only re-iterate that the physical stock cars I was offered that were all spec'ed by dealers did not have TPMS.

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Dec 11, 2012 10:13:55 AM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4206, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: ISUK

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Here is a Guards red car in a similar spec to the car Wolvy is considering (differences being this car has PCCB's and no glass sunroof).

And here is another Guards red Sport Design package equipped car I was offered with the Carrera S wheels in Platinum finish for comparison.

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Dec 11, 2012 11:50:17 AM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7682, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: ISUK

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

ISUK:

I can only re-iterate that the physical stock cars I was offered that were all spec'ed by dealers did not have TPMS.

A good reason then to turn them down... Smiley

BTW - what sort of "huge discounts" were being offered..? Smiley

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Dec 11, 2012 3:52:41 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: ISUK

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

ISUK:

dreamcar:

Of the 66 991S (coupe and convertible, RWD only), on the Porsche GB used car site 15 have TPMS

I could only find 10 on there with TPMS

I didn't filter out transmission so manual as well as PDK and included demonstrators. Just checked again and came up with the same number, 15.

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Dec 11, 2012 4:34:07 PM

Wolvy: Junior; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 119, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2003; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Ok then, how about this one?

http://www.porsche-code.com/PDH6RSJ1

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Dec 11, 2012 8:20:28 PM

Sidney: Pilot; Loc: D , Germany; Posts: 306, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 11, 2005; Reply to: Wolvy

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Wolvy:

Ok then, how about this one?

http://www.porsche-code.com/PDH6RSJ1

Hi!

This is missing for perfect look : Leather centre console trim

Best

Gregor

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Dec 12, 2012 9:27:31 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59602, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: ISUK

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

ISUK:

I must have received specs of at least a dozen 991's from around the country from my dealer and none of them had TPMS. Dealers rarely spec it in my experience which indicates it is not a hugely popular option in the UK or it would be on these cars.

Same in Germany, I just don't get it. Dealers don't spec TPMS on any car they order as a loaner or for their stock inventory. I talked to my dealer and he told met hat customers never ask or order TPMS, so they started to put the money into different options. Are customers really that dumb? I cannot believe it. Smiley

I also suggested to Porsche on several occasions to make TPMS a standard feature because it is a safety feature and it should be standard on all high performance cars. Did they listen? Well...at least the Turbo and Turbo S get TPMS as a standard option. Smiley

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Dec 12, 2012 11:36:08 AM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: RC

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

RC:

Did they listen? Well...at least the Turbo and Turbo S get TPMS as a standard option.

as did the GT3, GT3RS and RS 4.0

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Dec 16, 2012 2:32:57 PM

Haku: Pilot; Loc: TN , United States; Posts: 481, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 6, 2005; Reply to: sfo

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

Agree about tpms...a must have. Re spec... I would add sports exhaust and spasm.

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Dec 17, 2012 4:23:50 PM

Leawood911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Kansas, USA , United States; Posts: 6924, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 29, 2006; Reply to: Haku

Re: What do you think of this spec for a 2S?

If you have a leak in the rear you can notice it during acceleration (hard) - feels like torque steer from front wheel drive. A leak in the front is harder to tell but will influence steering. After all these years I can tell if my tires are more than three pounds off -+. The big blowout that comes suddenly at high speed will always be a surprise even if you do have TPMS. IMHO it is good for monitoring slow leaks (finding them) and helping with tire wear - but a major blowout at 180+ mph will catch you off guard each and every time.

It is nice that all US cars now have it. The Nissan Altima has an excellent system. When you add air to the tire the horn honks when you are the correct pressure! This is assuming you are adding air and you don't have enough to start with.

My 997 does not have it - too old. I still check tire pressures monthly manually just to be certain I don't have a leak or - thanks to our crazy weahter - have the correct amount of air for the local temps. This is something was taught to do back in Auto shop class in high school. (my Basic POS Sonata has TPMS and tons of other features which if added up on a Porsche would equate to the cost of the entire car! )

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