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Nov 28, 2012 8:17:35 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Cayman rear bumper looks identical to Boxster, including black plastic bit for the exhausts

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Nov 28, 2012 8:21:26 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: sfo

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

A few initial pics of the Porsche Cayman from the LA Auto Show press conference...

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Nov 28, 2012 8:23:05 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: sfo

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

sfo:

Cayman rear bumper looks identical to Boxster, including black plastic bit for the exhausts

There is a very slight difference in the rear bumper. There is a "design line" beneath the licence plate. Maybe you can see it better here :

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Nov 28, 2012 8:53:15 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Gauss

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

same "design line" on the Boxster ..

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Nov 28, 2012 8:56:58 PM

ISUK: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 4206, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 16, 2004; Reply to: sfo

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

The Boxster doesn't have the sharp vertical crease on the rear corners.

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Nov 28, 2012 9:07:18 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: ISUK

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Boxster has the recessed ledge, perhaps not as big ..

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Nov 28, 2012 9:16:21 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: sfo

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Porsche video: "The new Cayman..."

Porsche video: "The new Cayman" -- Video Link

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Nov 28, 2012 9:18:59 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: ISUK

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

ISUK:

The Boxster doesn't have the sharp vertical crease on the rear corners.

Thanks ISUK, that's what I meant.

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Nov 28, 2012 9:22:11 PM

Mikla: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1009, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2004; Reply to: Gauss

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Autocar: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/la-motor-show-2012/la-motor-show-porsche-cayman

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Nov 28, 2012 9:33:59 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: Mikla

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

the profile

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Nov 28, 2012 9:35:15 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Gauss

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

side profile looks better and extended roof line is now less awkward

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Nov 28, 2012 9:39:23 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Mikla

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

"NEW CAYMAN TOUGHENS UP"

Next year's Boxster coupe is squaring up for a scrap with its big brother. PH gets an early preview...

Porsche's head of design calls the styling of the current Cayman "humble" and "modest". Others might say effete, but after a walk round the newly revealed replacement we can report it definitely has a bit more aggression to it.

Subtle changes do make a difference

Arriving in UK showrooms March next year and launched at the LA motor show today (Wednesday), the new version of the coupe Boxster is hoped will boost the popularity of what so far has been Porsche's slowest-selling car.

Last year in Europe just under 2,000 found homes, compared to 3,000 for the Boxster, 11,500 for the 911 and 18,000 for the Cayenne. It was also trounced by the Panamera at 7,500 sold.

Technically speaking the car has already been revealed in the form of the new Boxster. The two cars share the new direct-injection six-cylinder boxer engines with the base 2.7-litre losing 200cc on the current Cayman, but increasing power by 10hp to 275hp. The 3.4 in the Cayman S is rated 325hp, a jump of 5hp. Interestingly both are 10hp punchier than the same engines in the Boxster.

The entry Cayman costs £39,694, which is £500 cheaper than the current car but just over two grand more than the equivalent Boxster. It hits 62mph from rest in 5.7 seconds, or 0.1 second quicker with the optional PDK twin-clutch gearbox.

Mauer explains the shiny bar to PH

The S weighs in at £48,783, a grand more than today's car, and will hit 62mph in five seconds dead for the standard six-speed manual, with the PDK option just creeping into the fours.

So those are the bare figures. We'll have to wait to find out whether it'll beat the sublime handling skills of the old car, so here in a drafty German photographic studio, we're talking styling with design boss Michael Mauer, who we've just grilled on general Porsche matters.

The current Cayman is the only Porsche left not created under his watch. He's not rude as such, but maybe a touch apologetic.

“There was never a question about its ride and handling, but still some people were not so sure it was a true Porsche," he tells us. "The design itself was a little bit humble, understated."

He likens it to the shy younger brother of the 911, afraid to speak lest he grabs too much of the limelight from its older sibling.

But not this time. "We wanted to give the car a new visual message, saying much clearer 'I'm a real sports car'," he says.

Base 2.7 car makes 275hp

We're talking subtle differences here - it's a new Porsche after all. The new car has a 60mm longer wheelbase and a longer roofline. This time the rear window has a slight bow that means it doesn't disappear into the rear haunches like the old one. As with the Boxster, the rear active spoiler is stretched into the lights and looks good with it.

There's a stronger focus on the side vents channeling air into the mid-mounted engine, and like many updated cars today the body lines are more precise to give a technical look to the extra muscle definition. If the yellow car up top looks as though it squats particularly well on its optional 20in wheels, then we can reveal a photographer's trick: several sand-filled water bottles in the (capacious) boot.

As before, you look through the rear window onto a fake strut brace between the similarly visible rear suspension turrets in the boot. We ask Mauer about this.

“Ferrari would display its engine here. We can't do this because the boxer engines are so low in the car, so we wanted to do something that attracts your eye," he says. Fair enough!

PDK twin-clutch again an option

New tech on this car includes the new electro-hydraulic steering that instills such fear in car enthusiasts, rightfully in some cases, but Porsche's is one of the better ones.

If you choose the optional PDK, likely to be around £2,000 again, you can then add adaptive cruise control to set a distance to the car in front. Shame its sensors are bumper mounted though - more chance of picking up grime.

Economy gubbins such as start-stop help the economy and emissions to the point that only the manual S breaks the 200g/km CO2 barrier, and then only barely. All are rated in the 30s for mpg.

PASM active dampers are an option, as is Sport Chrono with its launch control and dynamic transmission mounts. And torque vectoring does that trick of pinch-braking the inner rear wheel to better help it round corners.

Cayman S yours for £48,783

It shouldn't need much help. The two-seater is up to 40kg lighter than before to bring the base model in at 1340kg, thanks in part to aluminum doors, boot and bonnet. The engine is perfectly placed for optimal balance, the car is stiffer than before and, well, Porsche knows what it's doing.

Hard to say whether it's more comfortable for taller drivers, a criticism of the old one. Felt okay to this six-footer, but you can't really tell until you do long distances.

Mauer is confident Porsche is onto a winner here, especially when you ask him about rivals. He points out first that the Cayman is the only mid-engine sports car at this price point, perhaps writing off the Lotus Evora as too costly. As he says, "There's the Audi TT, BMW Z4. These are competitors, but there isn't really THE competitor, which shows Porsche is offering something special." As he didn't say, watch out 911.

NEW CAYMAN TOUGHENS UP -- PH Article Link

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Nov 28, 2012 10:40:00 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Some quick impressions from LA. New Cayman looks more like 991 than like Boxster. Agate Grey adds elegance. Car looks very finished under rear and front apron. Large rims look good with new design. Car very sleek, not toy like. Side vents somehow not as noticeable as on Boxster , probably because of more painted metal surface. Overall a nice design. More info and pics later..

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Nov 28, 2012 10:41:44 PM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

"...the new version of the coupe Boxster is hoped will boost the popularity of what so far has been Porsche's slowest-selling car."

HOPE is the key word here. The sales will remain as restricted as the car IMO. Shame Porsche will never let it outperform the BASE 911.

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Nov 28, 2012 10:47:15 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: boytronic

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

New Porsche Cayman microsite...

Link: http://www.porsche.com/microsite/cayman/uk.aspx

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Nov 28, 2012 10:49:00 PM

Rossi: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Home , Germany; Posts: 12680, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 11, 2002; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

This is a very good looking car, back to front! kiss

I like it a lot! wink

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Nov 28, 2012 11:16:00 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: Wonderbar

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Had conversation with Michael Mauer. Effort was made to relax the roofline a bit to eliminate slight bubble look of prior model and to make new model more elegant and grown up, while at same time making it sportier. IMHO he has achieved it.

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Nov 28, 2012 11:35:34 PM

MKW: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Palo Alto and North Lake Tahoe , United States; Posts: 2491, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 22, 2002; Reply to: Wonderbar

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Wonderbar:

Had conversation with Michael Mauer. Effort was made to relax the roofline a bit to eliminate slight bubble look of prior model and to make new model more elegant and grown up, while at same time making it sportier. IMHO he has achieved it.

The " Darth Vader helmet " roofline profile was always what bothered me most, coupled to the too squat rear deck between the vestigial buttresses and low rear bumper line that made the car seem as if someone squashed it in the rear. The higher ,flatter and larger rear glass and taller rear bumper have adressed these issues and makes for a more aggressively wedged shaped profile.

Someone will market a tiny stick on carbon fiber piece to complete a 911 coupe window - ovoid shaped black crescent on the body under the trailing edge of the side glass removing the upswept kink and have visually a 2 seater mid engined 911

Can someone photo shop that ?

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Nov 28, 2012 11:43:52 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8843, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

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Boxster Coupe GTS:

Porsche video: "The new Cayman..."

Porsche video: "The new Cayman" -- Video Link

Well that video does it. I Am absolutley in love with this car.

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Nov 28, 2012 11:54:42 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: Enmanuel

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Beautiful. Purely based on looks alone, best Cayman yet.

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Nov 28, 2012 11:59:43 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8843, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: Enmanuel

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Btw, and really OT but manufacturers really like that spot under the bridges. Lambo LP560-4, X6/5M, now they Cayman too.

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Nov 29, 2012 4:10:34 AM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Pic of Agate Grey Cayman at LA show. Interior of car in next post...

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Nov 29, 2012 4:14:10 AM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: Wonderbar

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Nice interior combo..

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Nov 29, 2012 4:16:29 AM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: Wonderbar

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Notice well finished rear undercarriage...

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Nov 29, 2012 4:18:33 AM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: Wonderbar

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Racing yellow Cayman S at LA show. Notice more "relaxed) roof line front to rear...

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Nov 29, 2012 4:20:58 AM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: Wonderbar

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Platinum Silver 991 4S at LA...

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Nov 29, 2012 4:23:52 AM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: Wonderbar

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Michael Mauer talking to press at LA. Smart, talented professional...

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Nov 29, 2012 4:32:37 AM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: Wonderbar

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

I like the new Cayman a lot, they did it slightly different than the Boxy both front and rear and it works. Also, the Cayman appears to have a bigger (more surface) rear spoiler and it's not integrated into the tail lights either. So you can't change any of those parts with the Boxster.. different bumper, lights and obviously lid cover. The front also has subtle differences with give it its own character. I like this a lot.

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Nov 29, 2012 7:10:18 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Rossi

Re: Virtually undisguised 981 Cayman

Rossi:

This is a very good looking car, back to front!

I like it a lot!

Same here. Smiley

For me new Cayman 981 is better looking car then Boxster 981 or 991.

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Nov 29, 2012 7:38:28 AM

Mikla: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1009, Gallery; Registered on: May 9, 2004; Reply to: KresoF1

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For once, I would buy the Cayman!

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