Nov 20, 2012 4:53:51 PM
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Nov 20, 2012 4:53:51 PM
bluelines:
dxpetrov:
I don't believe the ''fog-lights''would be round. First of all, those are not fog-lights but DRLs, and I've never seen circular DRLs.
Sorry, meant DRL. There is a spy pic floating around where you can see the round light behind rough plastic camo. I'll try to find it. This in conjunction with the Atlanta photos where the poster claimed the front is not real does sound like we will see round lights. Time will tell Not that I care much if the DRL are round or horizontal, but I am happy to bet they will not look like the horizontal 981 Boxster lights
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This doesn't mean anything. They could've easily put just round mock-ups below to stir us off the real shape and to fool us there was no difference to the current Cayman look.
The same thing they are currently doing for 991 Turbo mules, where they stick rounded fogs as same as 997 Turbo got. But I am sure there will be no such things as rounded DRLs.
Well, somehow they have to differentiate it from the Boxster... My bet is on round. If not, beers on me.
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Nov 20, 2012 9:31:43 PM
GRAND-AM: "Luna-C, BGB To Field Porsche Cayman 3.8 In Rolex 24"
(19 November 2012)
Nov 21, 2012 9:12:15 AM
^ I don't know, that looks like a clumsy rendering. Seen it a while ago, too.
Looking at the spyshot of the dirty black mule Gauss posted, you can clearly see that the central air intake in the front bumper is a trapezoid, not an inverted 'smiley' one like the one on the Boxster. Also, there looks to be a single slat in the side intakes with the DRLs.
I know the unveiling is on the 28th, but doesn't Porsche typically pull the sheets off sooner online?
rulesdontapply
Nov 21, 2012 9:58:30 AM
Time will tell. Many things have been thought of as "will never happen" like a SUV, a diesel, a hybrid, a watercooled engine, a non-Metzger GT3 engine, a GT3 with no manual box, etc. If it generates more profit, it will happen. You can also be sure that the marketing department will make it's outmost to make us feel it is a natural next step
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Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
reginos:
If so, it will be a strange hierarchy for Porsche. The most powerful version being the 4C and the 6C larger capacity engine being below that.
I don't think they are going to do that, for marketing reasons
The most powerful engine in the Porsche range is a diesel with 850Nm. In a SUV. A few years ago everyone would have gone pffffz and shaken their heads about that.
There was a once a 911 with 4-cylinders (albeit it was called a 912). I am sure they can introduce a new 4-cylinder engine and make a nice marketing spin back to the 912 roots.
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Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
Most people discuss the PS figures and nevertheless the Diesel S is far behind in performance compared to the top petrol models of the range.
The 4C Porsche sportscar is a future possibility in view of the downsizing trend, but I don't think it would have been wise to place it above the 6C in terms of performance. However, everything is possible , for example the Mercedes 240 6C models were slower than the 4C Kompressor, but something similar might not fit with the Porsche image.
"Form follows function"
Agree. I don't seen them moving from a flat (boxer) configuration either and squeezing a V or straight configuration into the 981 will be an engineering challenge Plus it would raise the centre of gravity for the car which would be a disadvantage.
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Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
Nov 21, 2012 10:43:49 PM
Nov 22, 2012 8:00:09 AM
Nov 22, 2012 9:42:37 PM
KresoF1:
If you understand Porsche model strategy you will know that something like Cayman GT3 is no possible at all.
There are rumours that Porsche's model strategy is in the process of evolving...
...just as a 991 GT3 has been testing with a sequential gearbox, a 981 Cayman may be testing with a GT3 engine!
reginos:
I suppose that when the DFI flat 6 was designed Porsche must have engineered it in such a way that a flat 4 was technically possible. Subaru make a flat 4 and Alfasud had one.
You seem to be forgetting that Porsche themselves had a flat four engine in the 914
Nov 22, 2012 11:53:18 PM
An interesting recent quote from Michael Mauer, Porsche's design chief...
"If you look at the 911 we are extremely successful at introducing derivatives, and it is always an option on other cars. Porsche has started expanding in the Boxster and Cayman segment so it is definitely something we are thinking about..." -- Michael Mauer
ISUK:
reginos:
I suppose that when the DFI flat 6 was designed Porsche must have engineered it in such a way that a flat 4 was technically possible. Subaru make a flat 4 and Alfasud had one.
You seem to be forgetting that Porsche themselves had a flat four engine in the 914
Would you really want a modern Porsche to sound like a wet fart - because that's what Subarus sound like to me! I'd rather have a lower powered flat six howl than that sound thank you very much.
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BjoernB:
with politics "driving" the CO2 figures down we will see much more turbos and a downsizing on cylinders and ccm - across all brands and models - sadly - but I hope they will charge them to huge torque and fun levels....
That's what Ferrari openly thought a few years ago, but they've managed - as has Porsche and most other manufacturers to both raise power and lower emissions.
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KresoF1:
If you understand Porsche model strategy you will know that something like Cayman GT3 is no possible at all.
Some people just don't "get" it - we'd all like to see a 981 with 991 power but it just isn 't going to happen, even though the non - S 991 and the 981 S share the same engine - but not the same power!
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Using BMZ as an analogy, it seems to me that the 1 series is closer to the first 3 series, and that the 1M is an amazing little car. It's not completely inconceivable that the Cayman becomes the one to have (fun in), if they finally relent on the power issue (or perhaps even they don't). It would be sacrilege, but it appears that they are slowing doing exactly this whatever we might want. They are a business, not a club.
I'm going to go out on a limb here: the biggest reluctance I have with it is that it has the label of "He couldn't afford a 911". With the M1, I don't think that is the case anymore, and with the Boxster now really having arrived, the Cayman may shrug off this label too.
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Hmm. I'd have a 981 Boxster over 991 if I didn't need the occasional rear seats. The Cayman always just looked wrong to me - a friend has a poverty spec base model and he loves it (had from new and covered over 70,000 miles with the only expense being bulbs, brakes & tyres) I still think it looks like a mutt though.
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