CloseMKSGR:You think the 961 would be more Grand Tourism style then?
Yes. I don't think it will target the 911 GT2/GT3/RS models. Makes no sense in my opinion. The 961 is an addition to the current model lineup, not a replacement for maybe the most successful track-oriented cars ever built.
Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
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Nov 10, 2012 6:37:16 AM
MKSGR:
Spyderidol:
MKSGR:
Spyderidol:
No- Porsche Motorsport is a business. A very successful business. The GT product t brings in a lot of money into the company. Spare parts is also a money making machine.
It is important not to confuse the GT Motorsport products with for instance, the LMP1 project.
So you think they can increase profitability by replacing the existing GT business by a new category?
No - The LMP1 project is essentially a technological showcase and marketing exercise. The cars will be raced by Porsche but the idea is to show what petrol/hybrid can do.
The GT class is designed to sell cars to Motorsport customers. Porsche will be participating in both classes.
That's what I meant: the mid-engine segment will not create profits
Somehow new for Porsche...
I see the confusion: The 961 will be in the GT class (if they decide to race it). It would be a new mid-engine platform for Porsche to compete against the 458.
The LMP1 car has absolutely nothing to do with raod going cars. It is a prototype . A real racing car.
Nov 10, 2012 12:28:15 PM
Nov 10, 2012 12:40:35 PM
The 911 would perhaps be the GT product for Grand-Am/ALMS (depending on the future rules). I also see it continuing to be the GT product for the mono-marque trophies (Carrera Cup, Super Cup, etc). Lastly i see it continuing to race in the VLN (SP7)
The 961 would be the GTE product for the WEC/ Upper class of VLN/ GT Open
reginos:
Where would the 911 GTs compete in motorsport? For sure the ME platform and the V8 large capacity engine will be more competitive against 458, SLS, R8 and MP4 than any 911 based racer.
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"Form follows function"
Are you sure? The recent past illustrates how successful the 911 concept is - also compared to the mid engine cars. The 911 is as fast or faster still (even the old 997 version!). And in the future 6 cylinder engines will benefit while larger 8/10/12 cylinders are likely to suffer (environmental requirements, more efficient) 
Nov 10, 2012 1:04:44 PM
Nov 10, 2012 1:43:52 PM
Moreover the 911 has failed to win any of the 12 and 24 hour races around the world this season, for which the car was renowned previously, except Daytona 2012.
I expect that the 991 based racer will be an improvement but a ME platform will bring Porsche closer to the competition. Even the front engined competitors from Mercedes and BMW are practically ME.
However, it will be a huge mistake to kill the 911 from serious racing in spite of a ME car. How Porsche will handle this, I don't know. One-make races are not as prestigious.
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"Form follows function"
As I wrote before...
bluelines:
...Porsche has to build it because the 911 platform cannot evolve much further without changing iconic features (e.g. the capacity of the flat six cannot be increased far beyond 4.0l and adding two cylinders is probably no go). Hence they niche the 911 and invent a new top-line model where they have free hands to build what needs to be built.
...which fits the motorsport activities well.
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Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
Nov 10, 2012 2:12:36 PM
reginos:
Moreover the 911 has failed to win any of the 12 and 24 hour races around the world this season, for which the car was renowned previously, except Daytona 2012.
I expect that the 991 based racer will be an improvement but a ME platform will bring Porsche closer to the competition. Even the front engined competitors from Mercedes and BMW are practically ME.
However, it will be a huge mistake to kill the 911 from serious racing in spite of a ME car. How Porsche will handle this, I don't know. One-make races are not as prestigious.
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"Form follows function"
Grand Am / ALMS fusion will , I suspect, provide a good sportscar racing market for the 911.
Nov 10, 2012 2:15:06 PM
Nov 11, 2012 12:07:31 AM
Porsche 961 - Secret new car coming soon...
"Porsche 911 critics have been arguing for years that the range can no longer use the aged rear engine system, and all that can be done to improve it has already been done.
While the 911 still has a solid fan base that would drive no other car, it is also true that the performance figures of the underpowered Cayman are nowadays dangerously similar to those of the 911, proving the superiority of a mid-engine architecture.
Porsche seems to have found an elegant solution to this debate, as they will produce a new high-performance mid-engine supercar, placed above the 911. With this in place, they will have on the market something to please both the 911 lovers and haters.
Named the 961, the new Porsche will feature V8 engines and will be aimed directly at the Ferrari 458, McLaren MP4-12 and the Lambo Gallardo. Expect it in 2013 with prices starting at £170,000."
Porsche 961 - Secret new car coming soon - Article link
Nov 11, 2012 3:14:16 PM
Nov 11, 2012 3:24:27 PM
only problem is that by the time then 961 comes out, most of these other cars would be being replaced with the newer versions with even better specs, but I guess Porsche knows that better than us and will take it into account when bringing out th final specs that its up to date with the competition it will be facing then and not now.
Nov 11, 2012 5:03:53 PM
Carlos from Spain:
only problem is that by the time then 961 comes out, most of these other cars would be being replaced with the newer versions with even better specs, but I guess Porsche knows that better than us and will take it into account when bringing out th final specs that its up to date with the competition it will be facing then and not now.
Carlos, there is no problem. These specs are all mistaken...taken from 918 pre serial version minus Hybrid... We even don't know how many hp 918 will have and considering that 458 stradale (final ver) will have 620hp (Claptons car has 620hp) we should expect more than 620hp )))
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Nov 12, 2012 10:33:25 AM
HP output will be related to the weight of the 961, so don't expect excessive power figures but a lower weight.
Anyway, the power figure will have a 6 in front of it as far as I heard. Price tag is currently discussed to be in the 230-250k EUR range (for a "naked" car).
I agree, the 961 doesn't mean that the GT2 should be cancelled. I just think that Porsche needs to be very careful with pricing for the next 991 models. Right now, the 991 is a pretty expensive car, the Carrera S can get up to 160k and more, this is way too much in my opinion. I optioned myself a 991 Carrera S to more than 170k EUR...this is insane.
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Nov 12, 2012 1:30:35 PM
RC:
HP output will be related to the weight of the 961, so don't expect excessive power figures but a lower weight.
Anyway, the power figure will have a 6 in front of it as far as I heard. Price tag is currently discussed to be in the 230-250k EUR range (for a "naked" car).
I agree, the 961 doesn't mean that the GT2 should be cancelled. I just think that Porsche needs to be very careful with pricing for the next 991 models. Right now, the 991 is a pretty expensive car, the Carrera S can get up to 160k and more, this is way too much in my opinion. I optioned myself a 991 Carrera S to more than 170k EUR...this is insane.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
It seems that at this moment Porsche can afford to make such prices. They are the most profitable company in industry and enchancing model range they don't want to wash the brand image by making low prices. So, having a great demand on mass models (cayenne, panamera), they are able to give 911 more exclusivity. Maybe I am wrong, but to me it seems so.
I am also 99% sure that 918 will have 6XX HP from V8. Bu the time when 918 and 961 will arrive 570hp will be not enought to be "on the mountain"
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RC:
I agree, the 961 doesn't mean that the GT2 should be cancelled. I just think that Porsche needs to be very careful with pricing for the next 991 models. Right now, the 991 is a pretty expensive car, the Carrera S can get up to 160k and more, this is way too much in my opinion. I optioned myself a 991 Carrera S to more than 170k EUR...this is insane.
Absolutely agree. Sure, the 991 Carrera S is a great car and if we are honest, it's more than enough for most of us, but paying as much for it as you had to do for a Turbo shortly before, is just ridiculous. 
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Rossi:
RC:
I agree, the 961 doesn't mean that the GT2 should be cancelled. I just think that Porsche needs to be very careful with pricing for the next 991 models. Right now, the 991 is a pretty expensive car, the Carrera S can get up to 160k and more, this is way too much in my opinion. I optioned myself a 991 Carrera S to more than 170k EUR...this is insane.
Absolutely agree. Sure, the 991 Carrera S is a great car and if we are honest, it's more than enough for most of us, but paying as much for it as you had to do for a Turbo shortly before, is just ridiculous.
Yes, it is a bit much these days. Especially compared with the 981 which, if we ignore the lack of manliness 
, is as brilliant, massively cheaper and almost puts a 997.2 Carrera S at shame on the track 
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Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
Nov 13, 2012 12:04:53 AM
Spyderidol:
Markus - The 911 is completely outclassed in the WEC and in the last two years in the ALMS. The only reason that it was somewhat competitive was because it was given performance breaks,
bluelines:Absolutely agree. Sure, the 991 Carrera S is a great car and if we are honest, it's more than enough for most of us, but paying as much for it as you had to do for a Turbo shortly before, is just ridiculous.
Yes, it is a bit much these days. Especially compared with the 981 which, if we ignore the lack of manliness
To shame? I wouldn't say that but it is the better bang for the buck if two seats are OK and you never drive on the Autobahn where even high powered SUVs could tail you. 
My last 997 Turbo was 156k EUR with all the options I desired, incl. PCCB. Now I can spec a 991 Carrera S for even more money, this just doesn't feel right. I went for my Panamera Turbo S only because I got a special lease offer, I would have never paid over 205k for it, no way, never.
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Dec 6, 2012 12:33:19 PM
It looks like this car may be called the 919.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/porsche-registers-919-name-52650.html
Dec 6, 2012 3:45:32 PM
Spyderidol:
It looks like this car may be called the 919.
http://www.autoevolution.com/news/porsche-registers-919-name-52650.html
919 is great, much better than 916.
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Dec 6, 2012 7:48:41 PM
If it is a technical masterpiece I would call it 9X9... come to think of it the 918 should have been named 919 then... following the footsteps of the 959. I think to name a high-end mid engined sports car 961 would make sense if and when it is very sporty to tap into the racing heritage of 96X cars.
To the marketing department these are all just numbers and Porsche has a lot of names to choose from 9XX wise.. Sill 919 feels a bit from to me right now. But interesting they registered this name
Dec 21, 2012 10:59:56 PM
Porsche squares up to Ferrari with new 960
Mid-engined, 4wd, eight-cylinder boxer engines: Georg Kacher reveals how the new 960 slots in above 911...
Dec 22, 2012 12:20:50 AM
Very interesting - really hoping for a less expensive RWD version with Manual gearbox and hydraulic steering. I knew Porsche would build a Flat-8 version of the 9A1 ever since they said it was a modular design, but I hoped we'd see it in the GT3RS.
73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs). Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello
Porsche sadly has been overpricing their new models and I am afraid this model will be no different. When I was in the Porsche showroom a month ago I had sticker shock when viewing the invoice prices for the various Porsche models being displayed.
The Porsche brand has always situated itself between the super car pricing and high end mass produced cars. When you see a Ferrari, Lambo, Bentley, what comes to mind is expensive. A Porsche is viewed as performance value. Costly but nowhere near price wise the expensive super cars. Unfortunately, that seems to be changing for the worse. If Porsche is wise they would price their mid engine car below the cars they are hoping to compete with.
Dec 22, 2012 5:03:19 PM
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