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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    hugo:

    from all the nice pics there you posted this one

     

    I didn't want to post a pic with license plate and I didn't have the time to erase it. Smiley

    Mea culpa... Smiley


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    McLaren MP4-12C at the Nurburgring...

    McLaren-MP4-12C_Nurburgring-lap-time.jpg

    McLaren MP4-12C at the Nurburgring -- Video Link

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    McLaren MP4-12C Sport Auto Supertest...

    MCLAREN MP4-12C -- SUPERTEST RESULTS...

    • Hockenheim: 1:08.7 min (10/10)
    • Nurburgring: 7:28 min (10/10)
    • 0-200km/h: 9.8sec | 200-0km/h: 5.2sec (10/10)
    • Wind Tunnel: Front Axle +2kg downforce | Rear Axle +62kg downforce (10/10)
    • Maximum Lateral: 1.40g (10/10)
    • 36 Metre Slalom: 138.0 km/h (10/10)
    • Avoidance Test 110m: 157 km/h (10/10)
    • Wet Handling: 1:38.7 min (1/10)
    • Total Score: 71/80 (including Wet Handling)
    • SUPER TEST RESULT: 70/70

    Ferrari 458 Italia -- Sport Auto Supertest...

     

    FERRARI 458 ITALIA -- SUPERTEST RESULTS...

    • Hockenheim: 1:10.5 min (10/10)
    • Nurburgring: 7:38 min (10/10)
    • 0-200km/h: 10.6sec | 200-0km/h: 4.8sec (10/10)
    • Wind Tunnel: Front Axle -32kg lift | Rear Axle +31kg downforce (8/10)
    • Maximum Lateral: 1.35g (9/10)
    • 36 Metre Slalom: 136.0 km/h (10/10)
    • Avoidance Test 110m: 152 km/h (10/10)
    • Wet Handling: 1:33.6 min (6/10)
    • Total Score: 73/80 (including Wet Handling)
    • SUPER TEST RESULT: 67/70

    McLaren MP4-12C Sport Auto Supertest -- Article link

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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    Thank you for posting this article.
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    Chris Harris On Cars: "Living with the McLaren MP4-12C..."

    "Five days in one of the most interesting sports cars ever made with Chris Harris. The 600hp McLaren MP4-12C mixes everyday usability with Millennium Falcon performance. We drive it everywhere from town-centre to race-track. And yes, we now want one rather desperately...."

     
     
    ...thanks again to Chris Harris!

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    Interesting that Harris brings it back to the day-to-day liveability that the McLaren has, and somewhat away from the track performance angle.   I just don't know how many people that could afford the MP4-12C would actually use it in daily use, since they would also own other cars better suited for trundling around cities and towns.   Still admire the car and hope McL has the fortitude to keep improving the reliability issues and be competitive in all aspects. 


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    "McLaren 12C Spider" -- Chris Harris On Cars

    Why did the 12C Spider drop its 'MP4'? Harris has the answer!

    Until recently I had no idea what the MP4 bit of a McLaren's name actually stood for. As recently as 1997, it actually denoted 'Marlboro' - which hands welcome retrospective support to my choice of cigarette brand around the same time. When McLaren did the 'West' deal in 1997, the 'M' became McLaren. I bought one pack of Wests, nearly hacked up a lung, and thereafter my fag and race team allegiances were forever separated.
     
    The new Spider tested, the Harris way
     
    The 'P4' bit stands for Project Four, which was the name of Ron Dennis's race team at the time he took equity in McLaren.
     
    I have no idea about the 12 bit. Nor the C. I thought the C was for 'coupe', but this Spider is also a 'C', so that's clearly not the answer.
     
    Just as MP4 is no longer the answer for the road cars, which have now quietly dropped the MP4 part of their names, although it is lightly scattered on the car itself.
     
    What's in a name? Not much for me, so long as it's not called a Dong or a Clack-Valve I couldn't really care. I'm far more interested in the way they drive. And the 12C, after a slightly shaky start, is now something to frazzle your head.
     
    After I shot my home video at Ascari, I drove a Spider back down the Rondaroad into Malaga. Looking back, it's hard to think of a machine that could have covered ground at the same rate - the latest powertrain updates have elevated it to a new level. And I was enjoying myself - managing slip levels, using the steering's altering weight to judge speed and grip - but always being reminded that I was driving a car that feels like no other.
     
    Some people dislike the Proactive chassis and its flat-handling - I think it gives the 12C a character all of its own and, under most conditions, provides the driver with more of everything.

    Enjoy the vid!

     
     
    "McLaren 12C Spider -- CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS"

    "A quick blast around the Ascari Race Resort in the new drop-top McLaren. Carbon tub should mean it loses very little over the Coupe. Latest engine spec gives 625hp!" -- Chris Harris

    DRIVEN: MCLAREN MP4-12C SPIDER

    Is chopping the roof off the MP4-12C the making of it? Or ruination? Chris Harris decides...
     
    There is a simple method for deciding how successful a conversion from coupe to convertible has been. The harder it is to spot any differences - be they dynamic or cosmetic - the greater the achievement for carmaker in question.
     
    Does what the coupe does, just windier
     
    Sitting here two days after I drove the new MP4-12C Spider, I still can't think of any discernable dynamic difference between it and the coupe. It steers the same, it rides the same, it feels a little bit quicker than the last coupe I drove because it benefits from the 625hp upgrade coming for 2013 and now available as a retrofit to all earlier cars.
     
    According to the rule, that must make it a blinding bit of kit.
     
    A stiff test
     
    One of the main advantages of the McLaren's carbon tub is that removing the roof panel has no detrimental effect on chassis stiffness. The electric folding hardtop and the electric rear glass window add 40kg to the kerb weight, but I really couldn't feel any difference on the road or the track. Perhaps if you ran the two versions back-to-back you might notice a little extra laziness, some extra brake fade and the tyres letting go a touch sooner, but McLaren's main development honcho Chris Goodwin says "it takes quite a bit of time to spot them."
     
    Structurally it's just as stiff as the coupe
     
    So dynamically, it's very much as you were. By that we mean intriguing, talented, banzai-fast and just very occasionally baffling. On the road the car really shines: it copes with changing surfaces better than any other car of its type and the driver has several different configurations to chose from - most of which are actually usable. The exception is the Track chassis mode which is just too stiff for the road.
     
    This is now version 10 of the McLaren powertrain project, which is something the company is trying to present as a positive example of the way it intends to continuously develop cars throughout their lifetime. It's a nice attempt at parrying criticism of the car not being quite finished at launch, but we're not fooled. In the road car world, one version done well and from the start tends to be preferable.
     
    Dropping the roof adds a bit of emotion
     
    Upgrade programme
     
    Anyway, I've always thought the powertrain was excellent, if a little lacking in some low-speed calibration. That's now fixed, and they've added more poke and a three-stage Intake Sound Generator which allows the driver three choices of noise level for each of the three powertrain modes. Yes, there's much to fiddle with here. This really is an anytime, anywhere machine. In full auto mode it will pootle with buses, in manual mode it feels as fast as anything I've driven this year. It also now sounds far more aggressive.
     
    The foldable hardtop roof takes a claimed 17 seconds to open or close, and when closed the gap under the tonneau has two snazzy little bags which can hold some extra clobber, meaning the Spider actually has more luggage space than the coupe. You can raise or lower the roof at up to 19mph.
     
    Compromise is notable by its absence
     
    Roof-down you have all the advantages of open-air motoring, if indeed you want them. I have to say the wind-management in the cabin isn't all that impressive: at 85mph it's cascading around and those rear buttresses protrude just enough to have air rip off them and cause quite a bit of unwanted noise. I haven't driven a 458 Spider, but I gather it is slightly better in this respect.
     
    Rugged and windswept
     
    Roof up it's a little noisier than the coupe, but not too bad and you have the extra benefit of being able to drop that electric rear screen and allow more exhaust noise into the cabin.
     
    There are two tyre options: both Pirelli. The standard P-Zero is a fine road tyre, the optional Corsa brings extra track performance, but I thought the basic P-Zero, even though less grippy gave a nicer balance on the track when hot because it allowed the car some more rear slip.
     
    And that's what it looks like with the roof up
     
    The car costs £195,500, or £19,500 more than the coupe. I'd personally steer clear of the optional carbon ceramic brakes because the pedal feel is still a little bit disconcerting, but otherwise it's not hard to see why McLaren expects 80 per cent of all 12C sales next year to be Spiders.
     
    Me? I don't especially like convertibles, so I'd save the money and have a coupe because you still get that brilliant latest-spec powertrain, but the Spider remains a clever, if obvious expansion of the McLaren brand.
     
    MCLAREN MP4-12C SPIDER
     
    Engine: 3,799cc, twin-turbo V8
    Transmission: 7-speed SSG twin-clutch auto, rear-wheel drive
    Power (hp): 625@7,500rpm
    Torque (lb ft): 442@3,000rpm
    0-62mph: 3.1 sec (with optional Pirelli P Zero Corsa tyres)
    Top speed: 204mph
    Weight: 1,376kg ('dry')
    MPG: 24.2mpg (NEDC combined)
    CO2: 279g/km
    Price: £195,500
     
     
     
     
     
     

    McLaren 12C Spider -- CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS -- Drive Video Link

    McLaren 12C Spider -- CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS -- PistonHeads Article Link

    ...thanks and all due respect to Chris Harris!

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    I'm testing te 620 hp coupe Friday, if it's as I expect I'm ordering a spider

    What a rig. Hope to get it in time for Suns (Malibu) run to Jackson this summer.  My sense is this s the Malibu Jackson run rig of choice for Sun and I, although we may be the first to report on hundreds of miles of dirt and gravel road use.


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    i find all the talk of Ferraris superior asthetic to be highly amusing, its all pure conjecture. There is no quantifiable measure which factually puts the Ferrari ahead of the Mclaren in the looks department, its purely the personal preference of the person posting the comment.

    I personally wouldnt buy the ferrari because, well to put it simply i think it looks ugly! That is quite simply my opinion, i know it will differ from some but equally others will agree. But for people to harp on about Ferrari having the better asthetic and wording it as fact need to open their eyes a little and accept that some people like brunettes instead of blondes.

    Much as I loved all my scuds and strads, I could not agree more.  Every time I go to buy A 458, the styling stops me.  Very beverly hills designer, and just not something I can own. The spider is even worse than the italia

    Imitally I disliked the mcl, but seeing it in motion and as a spider, If it drives when I try it Friday, I'm sold and ordering.

    Before the star struck f fans  freak out,  please do remember lTs subjective opinion.  Ten seconds on the n ring is not subjective however.

     

     


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    Looking forward to your report after your test drive !


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    watt:

    i find all the talk of Ferraris superior asthetic to be highly amusing, its all pure conjecture. There is no quantifiable measure which factually puts the Ferrari ahead of the Mclaren in the looks department, its purely the personal preference of the person posting the comment.

    I personally wouldnt buy the ferrari because, well to put it simply i think it looks ugly! That is quite simply my opinion, i know it will differ from some but equally others will agree. But for people to harp on about Ferrari having the better asthetic and wording it as fact need to open their eyes a little and accept that some people like brunettes instead of blondes.

    Much as I loved all my scuds and strads, I could not agree more.  Every time I go to buy A 458, the styling stops me.  Very beverly hills designer, and just not something I can own. The spider is even worse than the italia

    Imitally I disliked the mcl, but seeing it in motion and as a spider, If it drives when I try it Friday, I'm sold and ordering.

    Before the star struck f fans  freak out,  please do remember lTs subjective opinion.  Ten seconds on the n ring is not subjective however. 

     

     

    So when I think of a 458 I think of this tacky useless crap:

    http://forums.rennlist.com/rennforums/rennpository-video-clips-and-other-in-line-videos/711542-matt-spider.html

    But today I test drove a spider Nero, plain black interior only bling silver stitching that reflects off the windshield. Amazing soak up of shitty road surfaces, cars worst ffeatures are hidden by black, like a strad it looks best in black.  Much qquieter than a scud, but has same presence, and linear power above 7 is like a gt2 with no turbo softness.  Certainly not  worth  $200 k more than a scud, but rather amusing still.

    too bad the cars so slow relative the the mcl.... I may have to wait to test drive the mcl til Monday as it was raining today so I need to drive The 458 in the dry and with the top down. Darn it 

     

     

     


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    Stumbled over this photo... a McLaren Special Operations MP4. Very aggressive and simply gorgeous! kiss

    mso.jpg


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    bluelines:

    Stumbled over this photo... a McLaren Special Operations MP4. Very aggressive and simply gorgeous! kiss

    mso.jpg

    Wow, looking great. What special options did they install in this car Smiley


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    If I am not mistaken McLaren Special Operations is like Porsche's Exclusive department. I spot a new front spoiler, carbon hood, gills on top of the wheel arches, wider air intake on the side, different wheels.

     


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    If I recall correctly Harry Metcalfe mentioned in last months's EVO that McLaren would soon launch a new -better looking- front-bumper design retrofitable to existing MP4's, this might be it? yes


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    Porker:

    If I recall correctly Harry Metcalfe mentioned in last months's EVO that McLaren would soon launch a new -better looking- front-bumper design retrofitable to existing MP4's, this might be it? yes


    This would be great. Front bumper has always been one of the weakest points of the MP4-12C-design IMO.


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    A supercar for the Android generation... Version 2.3.5 now! 


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    bluelines:

    If I am not mistaken McLaren Special Operations is like Porsche's Exclusive department. I spot a new front spoiler, carbon hood, gills on top of the wheel arches, wider air intake on the side, different wheels.

     

    They could use this design for the facelift version... If they also added some reasonable seats (for taller people, as comfortable as the Porsche carbon shells) the car would become more and more attractive Smiley


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    McLaren 12C Long Term Test: Part 1 -- Evo magazine...

    McLaren 12C Long Term Test: Part 1 -- Evo magazine -- Video Link

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    Audi R8 V10 Plus, Ferrari 458 Italia, McLaren 12C on the road...

    Audi R8 V10 Plus, Ferrari 458 Italia, McLaren 12C on the road -- Evo video link

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