Nov 1, 2012 12:37:05 PM
- Spyderidol
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Nov 1, 2012 12:37:05 PM
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Nov 1, 2012 5:40:37 PM
Carlos from Spain:
I just hope this car does not affect the 911 at all, I mean, its obviously goin to overlap performancewise with some 911 variants like the Turbos-S or GT2 so I hope the allow this and do not limit the top performing 911 variants to avoid it...
The king is dead, long live the new king
I am sure all models will be nicely niched as usual. Having said that, does anyone need more performance than the 997.2 Turbo S?
Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
Nov 1, 2012 7:44:49 PM
The 911 needs the performance that corresponds to its natural evolution, no more no less, the rpoblem if is a new r player in the lineup affects that for its to be niched in, which I highly doubt, since if one thing Posche has learned time and time again over the years is never to mess with the 911.
Nov 1, 2012 8:07:25 PM
Porsche needs to sell cars One thing that Porsche has learned too is that there is much profit to make on other models than the 911.
As to the performance... the 911 already has the performance us mortals need. I am rather looking for more driving pleasure in future 911 models than shaving off another 0.1 seconds to 100 km/h or another 10 seconds around the Ring. This is more of a worry to me than the 911 being slotted in between the 981 and 961 models...
Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
Nov 1, 2012 8:19:13 PM
The performance evolution on the 911 is not dependant on what us mortals can extract, it's dictated by matching and surpasing what the performance of the competition's is at the time, so that need to evolve, and that incluides o-100 times and lap times, thats what sells cars, and like you say, Porsche needs to sell cars.
Which also has a lot to do with image
Porsche has learned to that there is a lot of profit to make on other models, but ironically those that bring the cash home are the non-sportcars in the lineup, and used the image of Porsche to sell them, and Porsche's image lies directly tied to the 911, not to mention that the 911 a much higher volume seller vehicle than what the 961.
I'm just rambling outloud here... in particular that I just hope that Porsche handles well the nitching of this new model into the model line so as not to affect the top flagship 911 varianats.
Nov 2, 2012 5:48:54 AM
Nov 2, 2012 9:46:45 AM
Nov 2, 2012 2:16:29 PM
Spyderidol:
I understand what you are saying Carlos, but I prefer to see it in this simplistic way:
There is a mid-engine sports car market out there and there is no reason why Porsche should not have a competitive product in that niche.
I agree, I'm not against this car at all, on the contrary, and it will be great for Porsche's image and I think will also bring new customers to the brand which is very important.
What I'm saying is that they should allow the natural overlap between this car and the top performing 911 variants to happen and let it be, and not limit either in any way so as not to overlap, kind of like what they do to the Boxster because of the 911.
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Nov 2, 2012 3:12:19 PM
Nov 2, 2012 3:43:34 PM
Carlos from Spain:
Spyderidol:
I understand what you are saying Carlos, but I prefer to see it in this simplistic way:
There is a mid-engine sports car market out there and there is no reason why Porsche should not have a competitive product in that niche.
I agree, I'm not against this car at all, on the contrary, and it will be great for Porsche's image and I think will also bring new customers to the brand which is very important.
What I'm saying is that they should allow the natural overlap between this car and the top performing 911 variants to happen and let it be, and not limit either in any way so as not to overlap, kind of like what they do to the Boxster because of the 911.
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I am not sure what you are referring to. Presently, Porsche has gradations of performance between the 911 models with appropriate price differentials. Why would the 961 impact that structure?
Nov 2, 2012 3:52:44 PM
Because the 961 is not a 911, so graduations within the 911 range is OK because you can choose which ever you want, but if the 961 limits some of those 911 models to avoid overlap, then those looking for the 911 version cannot get one because the 961 has taken that performance slot. Like I mentioned before, its like with the Boxtser and the 911, many Boxster customers would buy a GT3 version of a boxster or a Turbo version if availalble but there are no such models to choose from because they would overlap on some 911 models. What I'm efering to then is the risk that with the 961 they need to push out or limit some of the top performing 911 variants to avoid overlap. Though the 911 being the image of Porsche, selling so many more units, and having such a base, that I doubt they would touch it in that sense.
Nov 2, 2012 4:03:25 PM
Budster:
Strange that such news wasn't released as an official media release...
I thought this website is the official
Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
Budster:
Strange that such news wasn't released as an official media release...
Yep. I've learnt to take whatever Auto Express says with a large grain of salt. Their "exclusive images" are usually bad photoshops and their "breaking announcements" of new models are often imaginary BS.
Nov 2, 2012 8:04:10 PM
Nov 2, 2012 10:44:59 PM
Porsche confirms development of mid-engined model to rival Ferrari’s 458 Italia...
Porsche’s management has approved the development of a mid-engined sports car that will be a rival for the Ferrari 458 Italia and McLaren MP4-12C.
Porsche confirms development of mid-engined model to rival Ferrari’s 458 Italia -- Article Link
bluelines:
Budster:
Strange that such news wasn't released as an official media release...
I thought this website is the official
Well the fact that RC is avoiding this thread like the plague (whilst talking about ipads in the off-topic area) is clearly to protect our valuable sources. But reading between the lines, as we are so often encouraged to do, I can see GENUINE PROOF - and you've heard it here first and exclusively on Rennteam - that this rumour is either entirely true or absolutely false.
Just not quite clear myself which one it is yet.
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Porsche Carrera GTS (2012); Porsche Cayenne Diesel (2012)
Budster:
...this rumour is either entirely true or absolutely false.
Yes, I think that sums it up pretty well
It would make sense for them to build such a car. There is a market. The 918 serves well as a prototype platform for a future 961. Those attracted to conspiracy theories might say that Porsche has to build it because the 911 platform cannot evolve much further without changing iconic features (e.g. the capacity of the flat six cannot be increased far beyond 4.0l and adding two cylinders is probably no go). Hence they niche the 911 and invent a new top-line model where they have free hands to build what needs to be built.
Remember, you read it here first
Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.