CloseWonderbar:
Was there a powerkit offered for the Cayenne Turbo? Wasn't there one for the prior generation Cayenne Turbo? Seems like Porsche bypassed the power kit this time...
Yes, the Cayenne Turbo Powerkit was and is available.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
RC:
artur777:
Cayenne Turbo S is a nice piece of package and it will find its customer for sure. The price is rather high of course.
When will we get any info on 991 Turbo S BTW?
991 Turbo S? Earliest 2015 according to rumors.
The 991 Turbo is expected next year (2013) and if the rumored specs are true, it will blow the competition away.
Unfortunately, like Rossi said, if they keep the currently rumored specs, the price tag of the "old" one won't be kept.
Have you seen the price list of the 918 Spyder? Outrageous! 
If they'll adopt this price philosophy to their bread and butter cars (and I fear they will) it won't be funny for us customers. 
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The car market has dropped substantially in Europe. This includes Germany too. Things will get even worse over the next couple of months. If Porsche isn't careful, they will sell most of their cars outside Germany and not in Germany anymore. It is a shame that a fully equipped 991 Carrera S can hit the 150k EUR mark. Unbelievable.
Also: I've heard that so far, only 25% of the planned 918 production volume has been sold so far. The 918 is a masterpiece, no doubt about it but the while the price tag is almost acceptable, the option prices are outrageous.
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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
artur777:
2015 year - it will be a facelift of 991-))) too long to wait? may be earlier?
is there a chance of getting turbo and turbo s next year?
991 Turbo next year? Yes. 991 Turbo S next year? Definitely no.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
RC:
Also: I've heard that so far, only 25% of the planned 918 production volume has been sold so far. The 918 is a masterpiece, no doubt about it but the while the price tag is almost acceptable, the option prices are outrageous.
Agree 100%.
770k Euro is steep, but somehow acceptable for that kind of car. But if you tick some boxes from the options list, the car will be close to 1 million.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Oct 18, 2012 12:34:11 PM
Oct 18, 2012 1:02:19 PM
Oct 18, 2012 9:21:01 PM
Rossi:
RC:
Also: I've heard that so far, only 25% of the planned 918 production volume has been sold so far. The 918 is a masterpiece, no doubt about it but the while the price tag is almost acceptable, the option prices are outrageous.
Agree 100%.770k Euro is steep, but somehow acceptable for that kind of car. But if you tick some boxes from the options list, the car will be close to 1 million.
Is it possible for you to link the price list for the 918? I'm curious to see it.
RC:
The car market has dropped substantially in Europe. This includes Germany too. Things will get even worse over the next couple of months. If Porsche isn't careful, they will sell most of their cars outside Germany and not in Germany anymore.
Well, Porsche has been selling most of their cars outside Germany for years. 2012 year-to-date only 13.1% of the cars were sold in Germany, although the 2012 increase of 18.6% for Germany is on the higher side compared to the rest of the world (only China is better). So I would not say that Porsche has dropped substantially in Germany (or Europe either).
On overall numbers Porsche are doing exceptionally well. Up 14.7% year-to-date compared to last year.
Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
FWIW - according to the SMMT, Porsche registered 1123 cars in the UK in September 2012. (so a large proportion of the 4067 above) In September 2011 they only managed 943. That said, I understand there are lots more pre-registered cars this September (and of course 981 & 991 are now for sale). I know my local OPC are prepared to discount new 991. This is the 1st time I've known them to do this.
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artur777:
997.2 Turbo and Turbo S appeared in 6 months period!
Cayenne Turbo and Turbo S in 2 years distance.
Its always tricky-) or you know for sure that 991 Turbo and Turbo S will not be after each other in 2013?
You are making a logical mistake here: The 997 Turbo came out in 2006, the Turbo S came out 4 years after the first 997 Turbo. FOUR years. 
I don't think that we are going to have to wait 4 years for a Turbo S after the 991 Turbo comes out but I would at least expect a two year "grace" period. Meaning: Earliest 2015.
OK?
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
bluelines:
RC:
The car market has dropped substantially in Europe. This includes Germany too. Things will get even worse over the next couple of months. If Porsche isn't careful, they will sell most of their cars outside Germany and not in Germany anymore.
Well, Porsche has been selling most of their cars outside Germany for years. 2012 year-to-date only 13.1% of the cars were sold in Germany, although the 2012 increase of 18.6% for Germany is on the higher side compared to the rest of the world (only China is better). So I would not say that Porsche has dropped substantially in Germany (or Europe either).
On overall numbers Porsche are doing exceptionally well. Up 14.7% year-to-date compared to last year.
Germany is, after the US and China, the third important single market for Porsche.
The numbers will look different next year I'm afraid (mainly talking about Europe), the car market in Europe has slowed down substantially and will slow down further. The weird (or sad...for dealers) part is: While the new car market has and will slow down further, so has the used car market. This is very unusual in this segment.
So I'm pretty sure that next year or so, some pretty good deals will be possible for those who can wait. I also think that used cars can't hold their value anymore like they did before, so I expect some young 991 sold at very interesting prices next year. I'm also pretty sure that with rising fuel prices and a further slowing down economy, cars like the Panamera and maybe even the Cayenne will sell much worse than now. The Macan will make things even worse for the Cayenne.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
RC:
You are making a logical mistake here: The 997 Turbo came out in 2006, the Turbo S came out 4 years after the first 997 Turbo. FOUR years.
If I remember correctly, wasn't it about 2006 you put in an order for the 997.1 Turbo S? 
Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
RC:
Germany is, after the US and China, the third important single market for Porsche.
You mean as a country it is third on the list? I have not seen the breakdown per country, but would be interesting to see.
Although given how things are in Europe today I would guess the outlook for Germany as the third most important country looks bleak.
Porsche 997 Carrera S in Carrara White with black leather interior. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
Audi S5 cabrio in Ibis White with black leather interior.
Oct 19, 2012 8:37:50 AM
palenimbus:
Rossi:
RC:
Also: I've heard that so far, only 25% of the planned 918 production volume has been sold so far. The 918 is a masterpiece, no doubt about it but the while the price tag is almost acceptable, the option prices are outrageous.
Agree 100%.770k Euro is steep, but somehow acceptable for that kind of car. But if you tick some boxes from the options list, the car will be close to 1 million.
Is it possible for you to link the price list for the 918? I'm curious to see it.
Sorry, I only have the printed version. But I can post the options plus prices when I'm back home, if you want. 
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
artur777:
Will it be only chip-tuning and marketing differences between Turbo and Turbo S? or some mechanical changes as well?
How can I comment on a product which is going to be available in four years or so? 
Just look at what Porsche did in the past, I doubt it is going to be much different since it worked pretty well for them.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Oct 21, 2012 8:08:57 AM
RC:
Trust me...even a Cayenne Turbo S makes sense.
Indeed it does depending on which side of the bed you get out of . We would all have liked more power, but there is a significant increase in torque which should really be noticeable even at lower speeds ( I recall it was when I went from the first generation CTT to the Turbo S). Being a depreciation junky 
I'm sorely tempted traded to in my current CTT for this, and even to break the run of four black ones for a white one even 
Torque and HP of second generation Turbo S is the same as new Turbo S. Top speed is the same as well. Sprint from 0-60 is slightly faster in new version--4.5 seconds to 4.7 seconds.
The new version is certainly better overall, but performance is virtually the same.
I orginally specced a Cayenne Turbo with X pack last November. It then came to £137,168.00 with my options being £45,044.00 of that total price.
The Turbo S with the same options now comes out at £139,085.00 with my options now being reduced to £29,112.33 as many are now included in the standard specification.
There are a couple of new options mostly interior and audio related: DAB radio and Speed Limit recognition are the ones that I have added.
The only thig that I have found wanting on my 2006 Turbo S has been the brakes and I thought that the PCCB's may have now come as standard, alas not.
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