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Aug 9, 2012 3:07:02 PM

Gladstone: Expert; Loc: Kansas City, MO , United States; Posts: 1813, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 27, 2008

Porsche Pajun

http://www.roadandtrack.com/future-cars/first/2016-porsche-pajun

A smaller Panamera with a v6 for 2016. Smiley

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Aug 10, 2012 10:58:26 AM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Gladstone

Re: Porsche Pajun

Hmmm, summertime... not a lot of real news these days, so why not dust off the old PaJun story?
I think we already heard that the project was put on hold until further notice, or am I confusing it with something else? Don't know anymore.

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Aug 10, 2012 3:15:48 PM

Gladstone: Expert; Loc: Kansas City, MO , United States; Posts: 1813, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 27, 2008; Reply to: Joost

Re: Porsche Pajun

Sorry Joost, I am apparently the one who missed the story previously. heart

I just felt such an overwhelmingly neutral reaction to the story that I was curious about how others felt about it.

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Aug 14, 2012 12:57:15 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8054, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: Gladstone

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No worries Gladstone! And LOL to the "overwhelmingly neutral reaction"... I understand how you feel.
Especially since the concept of a small two-door Panamera could have such a huge potential...

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Aug 15, 2012 4:32:01 PM

davew (cincy): Veteran; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 1164, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: Joost

Re: Porsche Pajun

I think it looks more attractive than the Panamera (more balanced?) but that's about all I got.

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Aug 16, 2012 7:57:23 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: davew (cincy)

Re: Porsche Pajun

davew (cincy):

I think it looks more attractive than the Panamera (more balanced?) but that's about all I got.

Since there is no official photo yet, not even a sketch... Smiley

Yes, a "Pajun" would make sense but even more sense would make a Panamera Coupe in my opinion.

So let's see which one comes first. Smiley

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4

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Aug 16, 2012 1:53:27 PM

davew (cincy): Veteran; Loc: Cincinnati, OH , United States; Posts: 1164, Gallery; Registered on: May 10, 2004; Reply to: RC

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Oops. Are you saying that the photo in the article is just a current Panamera? Boy am I stupid...

For whatever reason, that pic looked more attractive to me. Perhaps my subjectivity is showing!

In any event, thanks for the correction RC!

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Aug 16, 2012 3:21:04 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: davew (cincy)

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davew (cincy):

Oops. Are you saying that the photo in the article is just a current Panamera? Boy am I stupid...

For whatever reason, that pic looked more attractive to me. Perhaps my subjectivity is showing!

In any event, thanks for the correction RC!

This is just a PS job Smiley and again I have to wonder why they put 911 front lights on that. Smiley

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4

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Aug 16, 2012 11:57:21 PM

Monster: Junior; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 107, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 15, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: Porsche Pajun

RC:

davew (cincy):

Oops. Are you saying that the photo in the article is just a current Panamera? Boy am I stupid...

For whatever reason, that pic looked more attractive to me. Perhaps my subjectivity is showing!

In any event, thanks for the correction RC!

This is just a PS job and again I have to wonder why they put 911 front lights on that.

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RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4

Look better than the Panamera.
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Aug 17, 2012 7:12:49 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Monster

Re: Porsche Pajun

Photoshop.

The Panamera is very color and options sensitive, something Porsche apparently didn't count in properly (or maybe it was done by purpose, I don't know). Most people who see the Panamera live, actually like it a lot but I agree that the back lights and even the front lights (with that tiny "curve") are looking a little bit outdated, something which will be corrected with the facelift, incl. a front and rear bumper which make the car look less "massive". I wouldn't want however a too stylish look, like on the Mercedes CLS or BMW 6 GranCoupe, it would get boring fast.

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Dec 22, 2012 11:14:29 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: RC

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Porsche Pajun poised for production...

Porsche's 'baby Panamera' would be the company's first mainstream model

(22 December 2012)

Porsche is poised to give the green light to a direct rival for the BMW 5-series and Mercedes E-class after more than a year of research and debate, according to company insiders.

If the project is rubber-stamped, Porsche would for the first time be entering a mainstream market segment, albeit a premium sector dominated by the German ‘big three’. If the model gets the go-ahead, it will hit showrooms in 2016 at the very earliest, but it is still considered part of Porsche’s plan to sell 200,000 units annually by 2018.

Michael Mauer, Porsche’s styling chief, was recently quoted as saying that a road car smaller than the Panamera “was a possibility”. It’s thought that Mauer’s design team have recently been able to spend serious time on the 5-series-sized concept, now that the Macan SUV and Panamera facelift are both heading for the showroom.

Most expect that the ‘Pajun’ (a nickname derived from ‘Panamera junior’) will be a five-door fastback, like its bigger brother. A Mercedes CLS-style sportwagon version is also pencilled in, with a two-door coupé possible in the next decade. It’s also thought that V8 and four-cylinder engines have been ruled out.

Most industry sources expect the Pajun to be built on the VW Group’s next-generation MSB platform. Porsche is developing this rear-drive and all-wheel-drive architecture for use under the next-generation Panamera, Nearly all future Bentleys, among other high-end VW Group models, will also use it.

Porsche could have used Audi’s next-generation mixed-materials MLB architecture, which will also underpin its upcoming Macan SUV, as well as all future Audi models from the A4 to A7.

However, the MLB is a natively front-wheel drive platform, so all versions of an MLB-based Pajun would have been all-wheel drive. A front-wheel-drive Porsche is considered unthinkable.

According to figures from IHS and CS auto analysts, the global market for premium E-segment cars — which includes the 5-series, E-class and Audi A6 — will this year be about 970,000.

That figure is projected to bounce along at about the same level until 2017, when a growth spike will take it to about 1.3 million units by the end of 2019. So this is fertile new territory for Porsche.

This market segment promises substantial profit margins. It’s not as profitable per unit as the market for big, premium SUVs (which Porsche is already exploiting with the Cayenne), but sales volumes are bigger. This is why Maserati is also looking to exploit this market with its new Ghibli.

It’s easy to understand why the more exclusive premium brands see the potential to shake up a segment dominated by the 5-series, E-class and A6. These three models account for about 70 per cent of global sales in the sector.

The premium E-segment market is “underperforming” compared with other premium segments, according to CS analyst George Galliers.

“We believe this is part of the ongoing trend towards ‘other’ vehicles [such as SUVs],” said Galliers. “The growth opportunity in this price range/vehicle size is likely to come from comparable products which do not conform to the traditional three-box saloon, in our view. Presumably, this is the opportunity which Porsche also sees.

“We presume that any product which they would offer would most likely have a hatchback configuration as per the Panamera.”

Porsche Pajun poised for production -- Autocar Link

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Dec 23, 2012 11:09:09 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: Porsche Pajun

Oh boy...Porsche CEO Müller mentioned a possible four door model below the Panamera a couple of days ago and now Autocar goes ahead and makes a whole (lukewarm) story out of it.

The "Pajun" is old news(we discussed it months ago) and while many seem to think that that it is something new, the development has already started. angry

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