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Aug 10, 2012 1:31:42 PM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3054, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003

Considering a new C2S...

Looking for your comments... Smiley

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Info

Preis

911 Carrera S		102.436,00 €
Außenfarben
platinsilbermetallic	1H	1.178,10 €
Innenfarben
Lederausstattung inkl. Sitze in Naturleder espresso	NE	4.664,80 €
Exterieur
Elektrisch anklappbare Außenspiegel	748	297,50 €
Automatisch abblendende Innen-/Außenspiegel mit integriertem Regensensor	P13	547,40 €
Windschutzscheibe mit Graukeil	567	113,05 €
ParkAssistent vorne und hinten	636	940,10 €
Ohne Modellbezeichnung	498	0,00 €
Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)	603	702,10 €
Motor, Getriebe und Fahrwerk
Sportabgasanlage	176	2.606,10 €
Sport Chrono Paket (in Verbindung mit PCM)	640	2.023,00 €
Porsche Doppelkupplungsgetriebe (PDK)	250	3.510,50 €
Räder
20-Zoll Carrera Classic Rad	427	1.071,00 €
Räderzubehör
Reifendruckkontrollsystem (RDK)	482	642,60 €
Interieur
Tempostat	454	392,70 €
Sportsitze Plus (4-Wege elektrisch)	P05	458,15 €
Zifferblatt Drehzahlmesser schwarz	022	0,00 €
Fußmatten	810	178,50 €
Raucherpaket	583	0,00 €
Sitzbelüftung	541	1.059,10 €
Sitzheizung	342	470,05 €
Licht-Design-Paket	630	440,30 €
Interieur Leder
Porsche Wappen auf Kopfstützen	XSC	202,30 €
Lederausstattung in Naturleder	998	0,00 €
Mitteltunnel Fond Leder mit Ziernähten	XHS	821,10 €
SportDesign Lenkrad	840	416,50 €
Blende Mittelkonsole Leder	XHB	238,00 €
Interieur Aluminium
Interieur-Paket Aluminium gebürstet (mit Lederausstattung/mit PDK)	EEN	773,50 €
Audio und Kommunikation
Handyvorbereitung	619	654,50 €
Porsche Communication Management (PCM) inkl. Navigationsmodul mit Universeller Audio-Schnittstelle	P23	3.147,55 €
Gesamtpreis*		129.984,50 €
*inkl. 19% MwSt.

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Aug 10, 2012 1:47:39 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

That would have been my specification too, down to the Black instruments kiss

Except that I would go for the GT Silver! In spite of the extra cost. It is more suited to a sportscar IMO than the golden undertone Platin.

It's good that you avoided the PDCC and the hugely expensive Powerkit.

BTW do you know the comparative weights of the various wheels. Is the Carrera Classic the heaviest?

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Aug 10, 2012 2:08:33 PM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7682, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: Considering a new C2S...

I only know one German word.. frown - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

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Aug 10, 2012 2:49:05 PM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3054, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

With the help of Google translate...

Designation	Nr.	Info	Preis
911 Carrera S			102.436,00 €

Exterior colors
Platinum Silver Metallic	1H		1.178,10 €

Interior colors
Leather interior including leather seats in espresso natural leather	NE		4.664,80 €

Exterior
Electrically folding exterior mirrors	748		297,50 €
Auto-dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor	P13		547,40 €
Windscreen with gray top tint	567		113,05 €
Front and rear parking assist	636		940,10 €
Without the model name (just PORSCHE on the rear)	498		0,00 €
Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)	603		702,10 €

Engine, transmission and chassis
Sport exhaust system	176		2.606,10 €
Sport Chrono package (in conjunction with PCM)	640		2.023,00 €
Porsche double-clutch gearbox (PDK)	250		3.510,50 €

Wheels
20-inch Carrera Classic wheel	427		1.071,00 €

Wheel Accessories
Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS)	482		642,60 €

Interior
Cruise Control	454		392,70 €
Sports Seats Plus (4-way electric)	P05		458,15 €
Black Tachometer	22		0,00 €
Floor mats	810		178,50 €
Smoking package	583		0,00 €
Seat ventilation	541		1.059,10 €
Heated	342		470,05 €
Lighting design package	630		440,30 €

Leather interior
Rear center console with leather stitching (Exclusive)	XHS		821,10 €
Porsche crest on headrests (Exclusive)	XSC		202,30 €
Sports steering wheel design	840		416,50 €
Panel center console Leather (Exclusive)	XHB		238,00 €
Leather interior in natural leather	998		0,00 €

Interior aluminum
Brushed aluminum interior package (with leather trim / with PDK) (Exclusive)	EEN		773,50 €

Audio and communications
Bluetooth (preparation for mobile phone)	619		654,50 €
Porsche Communication Management (PCM) with navigation module with Universal Audio Interface	P23		3.147,55 €

Total price (including 19% VAT)			129.984,50 €

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Aug 10, 2012 3:31:30 PM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

I would personally go for either -20mm or -20mm/PDCC. It is a must for a sportscar like 991, of course IMHO. I drove both versions of sportsuspension and it is not at too hard, even for daily usage.

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Aug 10, 2012 3:57:51 PM

Haku: Pilot; Loc: TN , United States; Posts: 481, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 6, 2005; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: Considering a new C2S...

KresoF1:
I would personally go for either -20mm or -20mm/PDCC. It is a must for a sportscar like 991, of course IMHO. I drove both versions of sportsuspension and it is not at too hard, even for daily usage.

Absolutely correct.

I just returned from a class at the Porsche Driving School and ALL the instructors I spoke to had nothing but amazing opinions about PDCC especially with the -20mm and SPASM. Anything that helps keep 4 wheels planted on the ground will increase performance and safety. It gives GT3 like performance with the comfort capabilities of a 991. Get it! E reviews about it are mostly by people who have not experienced it fully.

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Aug 10, 2012 4:41:10 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Haku

Re: Considering a new C2S...

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/911/first-drives/porsche-911-carrera-s-pdcc

We can all have an opinion about PDCC yes A bit of roll is a good thing and the 991 w/o PDCC is not a Cadillac anyway.

I suppose Porsche people love it as it adds to the already huge profit per unit produced and indirectly contributes to their salaries.

The Sport PASM is a good thing to have, if you drive on good roads with smooth surface.

The key question IMO is where and how the car will be used.

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Aug 10, 2012 5:03:21 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: reginos

Re: Considering a new C2S...

reginos:

That would have been my specification too, down to the Black instruments

+1 Smiley

If I were to order I would add the -20mm Sport PASM with PDCC. Should be for track driving.

The Powerkit is tempting, but too expensive. No doubt it makes a big difference in the character and performance, but not for that amount of money.

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Aug 10, 2012 6:10:52 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Considering a new C2S...

excellent choice of brushed aluminium interior package with leather center console trim, keeping the shiny bits at roughly the same level.

standard silver trim is prone to finger prints and a little cheap looking.

I agreed a very acceptable deal with my OPC on Monday (after 1 week's negotiation) on a C2S in white with espresso leather plus lots of bits (including Powerkit, Sport Techno wheels, glass roof, Sports PASM, but no PDCC) but hours before Porsche AG had implemented a block on orders for glass sunroof (essential for me), so deal is kaput can't order a C2S that I want.

deal would mean OPC taking back my 981S.

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Aug 10, 2012 7:27:18 PM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3054, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003; Reply to: reginos

Re: Considering a new C2S...

I intend to use it as a daily driver, all year, on faaaaarrr from smooth roads.

So I would love to order the -20mm suspension but there are many potholes around here.
On PDCC... I would not order it for a C2S or a GT3 but for a Turbo or a GT2.
The system adds weight and increase the complexity of the car's systems, which on bad roads is the last thing I want taking under account all the extra vibrations my car will need to handle on my local roads. I am already pushing my luck with PASM and 20" wheels...
Also I don't like the diminished feedback you get from cars with advanced suspension systems that makes you feel like "driving on rails".

For me buying a 911 is not a logical decision but an emotional one. So I want the car to stir up something inside me. I don't want to command a robot like a GT-R is.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and please keep them coming :)

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Aug 10, 2012 8:12:22 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

C2S only comes with 20" wheels, doesn't it?

I've read somewhere that Carrera Classic is the heaviest 20" wheel, and Sport Techno, the lightest. Makes sense, latter has 5 spokes, former has many many more.

Reducing wheel weight improves dynamics and comfort.

If you want real involvement, get a manual gearbox (35kg lighter too!)

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Aug 10, 2012 8:39:45 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Pentium:
I intend to use it as a daily driver, all year, on faaaaarrr from smooth roads.

So I would love to order the -20mm suspension but there are many potholes around here.
On PDCC... I would not order it for a C2S or a GT3 but for a Turbo or a GT2.
The system adds weight and increase the complexity of the car's systems, which on bad roads is the last thing I want taking under account all the extra vibrations my car will need to handle on my local roads. I am already pushing my luck with PASM and 20" wheels...
Also I don't like the diminished feedback you get from cars with advanced suspension systems that makes you feel like "driving on rails".

For me buying a 911 is not a logical decision but an emotional one. So I want the car to stir up something inside me. I don't want to command a robot like a GT-R is.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and please keep them coming :)

My thoughts exactly! Smiley

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Aug 10, 2012 9:25:32 PM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3054, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003; Reply to: sfo

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Yes, only in 20" but the standard Carrera come with 19" and I could also order it without PASM... so chosing C2S is already pushing it Smiley

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Aug 10, 2012 9:31:11 PM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3054, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003; Reply to: sfo

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Oh, and I would love to buy a manual 911 instead but I can't keep the car forever... I will need to sell it sometime and around here everybody buys PDK cars...

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Aug 11, 2012 4:22:51 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Pentium:

Yes, only in 20" but the standard Carrera come with 19" and I could also order it without PASM... so chosing C2S is already pushing it

I've driven the standard Carrera on 19" w/o PASM and its ride and handling were excellent. Why Porsche only offer 20" on the S, I don't know!

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Aug 11, 2012 6:21:47 AM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3054, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003; Reply to: reginos

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Front disk brakes on the S are larger so you can't fit 19" wheels...

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Aug 11, 2012 7:13:07 AM

KresoF1: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Croatia , Croatia; Posts: 7856, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2005; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Hmm... Are you sure? 991 CS front discs are only 340mm in diameter. Since old 997.2 turbo used 19" wheels with 350mm discs I am pretty sure that Porsche is playing marketing game in 991 CS case.

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Aug 11, 2012 7:59:38 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: John H

Re: Considering a new C2S...

John H:

I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

The above "german" word doesn't make any sense. Smiley

(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? Smiley )

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Aug 11, 2012 9:14:01 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59579, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Pentium:
I intend to use it as a daily driver, all year, on faaaaarrr from smooth roads.

So I would love to order the -20mm suspension but there are many potholes around here.
On PDCC... I would not order it for a C2S or a GT3 but for a Turbo or a GT2.
The system adds weight and increase the complexity of the car's systems, which on bad roads is the last thing I want taking under account all the extra vibrations my car will need to handle on my local roads. I am already pushing my luck with PASM and 20" wheels...
Also I don't like the diminished feedback you get from cars with advanced suspension systems that makes you feel like "driving on rails".

For me buying a 911 is not a logical decision but an emotional one. So I want the car to stir up something inside me. I don't want to command a robot like a GT-R is.

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and please keep them coming :)

You know my opinion. In your case, I would get a Cayenne GTS or even the Turbo.

Perfect cars for the roads there and fun to drive too.

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Aug 11, 2012 10:33:38 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: Considering a new C2S...

RC:

John H:

I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.

(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )

Something Basil Fawlty would have said indecision

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Aug 11, 2012 10:51:50 AM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Pentium:

Front disk brakes on the S are larger so you can't fit 19" wheels...

That shouldn´t be a problem since you can order 19" winter tires for the Carrera S as well.

Other than that, it´s a very nice spec. Some personal comments from me though, as I find the combination to be very classy. What do you think about the exterior colour in white, all other elements (interior, rims) remaining the same? You do prefer the mobile phone connection kit (Handyvorbereitung) over the built-in telephone module? Also a bit surprised that you did not choose Bose or Burmester audio, unless you configure a system on your own.

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Aug 11, 2012 11:43:25 AM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7682, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: Considering a new C2S...

RC:

John H:

I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.

(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )

Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)

As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well! Smiley

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Aug 11, 2012 1:18:16 PM

DaveGordon: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Zürich , Switzerland; Posts: 2774, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 20, 2007; Reply to: KresoF1

Re: Considering a new C2S...

GT3 had 380mm ceramics on 19" wheels, so don't think that is a problem..

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Aug 11, 2012 1:29:48 PM

Pentium: Rennteam Master; Loc: Earth , Romania; Posts: 3054, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 27, 2003; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Considering a new C2S...

OK. I stand corrected on the 19" wheels. It seems that I was wrong. Anyway I don't mind a heavier wheel on a daily driver car. They survive potholes better :) compared with my ex-Scuderia's magnesium alloys.

Yes, RC, you are correct, a Panamera or a Cayenne would be a better choice for my roads but I don't like heavy sporty vehicles.

Ferdie: I did consider a white exterior as well :) But I really like how the platinum silver looks next to espresso. This silver has a subtle shade of beige in it ;) that is why it goes so well with the espresso interior. And it shows dirt and dust much less than the white.

I had the telephone module on my previous 911. I don't want to use a SIM card with a car anymore. Ever. And that is the main difference between the two options as far as I know. The external GSM antenna (which I don't know if it has 3G capabilities) works only if you use a SIM card. If you still connect through Bluetooth is the same thing as my option.

I barely use the sound system in my cars. Really. I would add Bose for the passengers though.

By the way I still consider adding the Adaptive seats and Bose.

Thank you guys and please don't stop :)

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Aug 11, 2012 2:26:06 PM

Enmanuel: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Boston , United States; Posts: 8841, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 7, 2008; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Well my 0 knowledge of german has come in super handy on this one. Platinum silver with espresso interior is nearly perfection for me . And maybe just because I have a love for bigger wheels I'd say good choice on the 20" Classics, I think they really tie in the proportions of the car and make it look its best.

Oh and I'm going to officially start the nagging for pictures indecision

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Aug 11, 2012 3:30:20 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: John H

Re: Considering a new C2S...

John H:

RC:

John H:

I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.

(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )

Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)

As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!

'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)

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Aug 11, 2012 4:18:29 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Pentium:

I really like how the platinum silver looks next to espresso. This silver has a subtle shade of beige in it ;) that is why it goes so well with the espresso interior.

it will look amazing Smiley

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Aug 11, 2012 5:40:22 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: Pentium

Re: Considering a new C2S...

Pentium:

I had the telephone module on my previous 911. I don't want to use a SIM card with a car anymore. Ever. And that is the main difference between the two options as far as I know. The external GSM antenna (which I don't know if it has 3G capabilities) works only if you use a SIM card. If you still connect through Bluetooth is the same thing as my option.

Not quite. With the telephone module the phone is connected via bluetooth to the car's main aerial for much better reception and less battery drain on the phone.

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Aug 11, 2012 5:42:08 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: easy_rider911

Re: Considering a new C2S...

easy_rider911:

John H:

RC:

John H:

I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.

(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )

Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)

As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!

'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)

+1 : In my experience dealing with many different nationalities the Danes come closest to the British sense of humour. The genes must be inherited from the rape and pillage days. Smiley

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Aug 11, 2012 6:20:25 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: Considering a new C2S...

dreamcar:

easy_rider911:

John H:

RC:

John H:

I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..

The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.

(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )

Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)

As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!

'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)

+1 : In my experience dealing with many different nationalities the Danes come closest to the British sense of humour. The genes must be inherited from the rape and pillage days.

This isn't so much a matter of differences in humour as the fact that a word which might "look" German to English speakers does not look at all German to German eyes, and I think most Germans trying to make sense of the joke would initially struggle due to tending to break up the syllables as "Di-sals-topp-em-flopp-en", causing them to fall at the first hurdle.

Ironically, the real German word for brassiere, "Busenhalter", literally "bosom holder", is probably funnier to English eyes due to its directness than that fake German word is to German eyes. Smiley

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