Considering a new C2S...
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Bezeichnung | Nr. | Info | Preis |
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That would have been my specification too, down to the Black instruments
Except that I would go for the GT Silver! In spite of the extra cost. It is more suited to a sportscar IMO than the golden undertone Platin.
It's good that you avoided the PDCC and the hugely expensive Powerkit.
BTW do you know the comparative weights of the various wheels. Is the Carrera Classic the heaviest?
"Form follows function"
With the help of Google translate...
Designation | Nr. | Info | Preis |
911 Carrera S | 102.436,00 € | ||
Exterior colors | |||
Platinum Silver Metallic | 1H | 1.178,10 € | |
Interior colors | |||
Leather interior including leather seats in espresso natural leather | NE | 4.664,80 € | |
Exterior | |||
Electrically folding exterior mirrors | 748 | 297,50 € | |
Auto-dimming mirrors with integrated rain sensor | P13 | 547,40 € | |
Windscreen with gray top tint | 567 | 113,05 € | |
Front and rear parking assist | 636 | 940,10 € | |
Without the model name (just PORSCHE on the rear) | 498 | 0,00 € | |
Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) | 603 | 702,10 € | |
Engine, transmission and chassis | |||
Sport exhaust system | 176 | 2.606,10 € | |
Sport Chrono package (in conjunction with PCM) | 640 | 2.023,00 € | |
Porsche double-clutch gearbox (PDK) | 250 | 3.510,50 € | |
Wheels | |||
20-inch Carrera Classic wheel | 427 | 1.071,00 € | |
Wheel Accessories | |||
Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPMS) | 482 | 642,60 € | |
Interior | |||
Cruise Control | 454 | 392,70 € | |
Sports Seats Plus (4-way electric) | P05 | 458,15 € | |
Black Tachometer | 22 | 0,00 € | |
Floor mats | 810 | 178,50 € | |
Smoking package | 583 | 0,00 € | |
Seat ventilation | 541 | 1.059,10 € | |
Heated | 342 | 470,05 € | |
Lighting design package | 630 | 440,30 € | |
Leather interior | |||
Rear center console with leather stitching (Exclusive) | XHS | 821,10 € | |
Porsche crest on headrests (Exclusive) | XSC | 202,30 € | |
Sports steering wheel design | 840 | 416,50 € | |
Panel center console Leather (Exclusive) | XHB | 238,00 € | |
Leather interior in natural leather | 998 | 0,00 € | |
Interior aluminum | |||
Brushed aluminum interior package (with leather trim / with PDK) (Exclusive) | EEN | 773,50 € | |
Audio and communications | |||
Bluetooth (preparation for mobile phone) | 619 | 654,50 € | |
Porsche Communication Management (PCM) with navigation module with Universal Audio Interface | P23 | 3.147,55 € | |
Total price (including 19% VAT) | 129.984,50 € |
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KresoF1:
I would personally go for either -20mm or -20mm/PDCC. It is a must for a sportscar like 991, of course IMHO. I drove both versions of sportsuspension and it is not at too hard, even for daily usage.
Absolutely correct.
I just returned from a class at the Porsche Driving School and ALL the instructors I spoke to had nothing but amazing opinions about PDCC especially with the -20mm and SPASM. Anything that helps keep 4 wheels planted on the ground will increase performance and safety. It gives GT3 like performance with the comfort capabilities of a 991. Get it! E reviews about it are mostly by people who have not experienced it fully.
Incoming - 991 2S
Fond memories: 997.2 GT3 - 997.2 C4S PDK - 997 TT - 997.1 C4S
http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/porsche/911/first-drives/porsche-911-carrera-s-pdcc
We can all have an opinion about PDCC A bit of roll is a good thing and the 991 w/o PDCC is not a Cadillac anyway.
I suppose Porsche people love it as it adds to the already huge profit per unit produced and indirectly contributes to their salaries.
The Sport PASM is a good thing to have, if you drive on good roads with smooth surface.
The key question IMO is where and how the car will be used.
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"Form follows function"
reginos:
That would have been my specification too, down to the Black instruments
+1
If I were to order I would add the -20mm Sport PASM with PDCC. Should be for track driving.
The Powerkit is tempting, but too expensive. No doubt it makes a big difference in the character and performance, but not for that amount of money.
997.2 Carrera S in Carrara White. PASM-Sport Suspension (-20 mm), PSE.
987.1 Boxster S in Arctic Silver. OZ Racing Ultraleggera Wheels, H&R Monotube Coil-Over Suspension, H&R Anti-Roll Bars, Sachs Racing Clutch, Single-Mass Flywheel, IPD Plenum, GT3 Throttle Body, Recaro Pole Position Seats, PSE, Alpine Head Unit and Amplifier, Focal Speakers
excellent choice of brushed aluminium interior package with leather center console trim, keeping the shiny bits at roughly the same level.
standard silver trim is prone to finger prints and a little cheap looking.
I agreed a very acceptable deal with my OPC on Monday (after 1 week's negotiation) on a C2S in white with espresso leather plus lots of bits (including Powerkit, Sport Techno wheels, glass roof, Sports PASM, but no PDCC) but hours before Porsche AG had implemented a block on orders for glass sunroof (essential for me), so deal is kaput can't order a C2S that I want.
deal would mean OPC taking back my 981S.
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C2S only comes with 20" wheels, doesn't it?
I've read somewhere that Carrera Classic is the heaviest 20" wheel, and Sport Techno, the lightest. Makes sense, latter has 5 spokes, former has many many more.
Reducing wheel weight improves dynamics and comfort.
If you want real involvement, get a manual gearbox (35kg lighter too!)
Pentium:
I intend to use it as a daily driver, all year, on faaaaarrr from smooth roads.
So I would love to order the -20mm suspension but there are many potholes around here.
On PDCC... I would not order it for a C2S or a GT3 but for a Turbo or a GT2.
The system adds weight and increase the complexity of the car's systems, which on bad roads is the last thing I want taking under account all the extra vibrations my car will need to handle on my local roads. I am already pushing my luck with PASM and 20" wheels...
Also I don't like the diminished feedback you get from cars with advanced suspension systems that makes you feel like "driving on rails".
For me buying a 911 is not a logical decision but an emotional one. So I want the car to stir up something inside me. I don't want to command a robot like a GT-R is.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and please keep them coming :)
My thoughts exactly!
Pentium:
Yes, only in 20" but the standard Carrera come with 19" and I could also order it without PASM... so chosing C2S is already pushing it
I've driven the standard Carrera on 19" w/o PASM and its ride and handling were excellent. Why Porsche only offer 20" on the S, I don't know!
"Form follows function"
John H:
I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..
The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.
(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Pentium:
I intend to use it as a daily driver, all year, on faaaaarrr from smooth roads.
So I would love to order the -20mm suspension but there are many potholes around here.
On PDCC... I would not order it for a C2S or a GT3 but for a Turbo or a GT2.
The system adds weight and increase the complexity of the car's systems, which on bad roads is the last thing I want taking under account all the extra vibrations my car will need to handle on my local roads. I am already pushing my luck with PASM and 20" wheels...
Also I don't like the diminished feedback you get from cars with advanced suspension systems that makes you feel like "driving on rails".
For me buying a 911 is not a logical decision but an emotional one. So I want the car to stir up something inside me. I don't want to command a robot like a GT-R is.
Anyway, thanks for your thoughts and please keep them coming :)
You know my opinion. In your case, I would get a Cayenne GTS or even the Turbo.
Perfect cars for the roads there and fun to drive too.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche Panamera Turbo S, BMW X5M, Mercedes C63 AMG Coupe PP/DP, Mini Cooper S Countryman All4
Pentium:
Front disk brakes on the S are larger so you can't fit 19" wheels...
That shouldn´t be a problem since you can order 19" winter tires for the Carrera S as well.
Other than that, it´s a very nice spec. Some personal comments from me though, as I find the combination to be very classy. What do you think about the exterior colour in white, all other elements (interior, rims) remaining the same? You do prefer the mobile phone connection kit (Handyvorbereitung) over the built-in telephone module? Also a bit surprised that you did not choose Bose or Burmester audio, unless you configure a system on your own.
RC:
John H:
I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..
The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.
(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )
Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)
As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!
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OK. I stand corrected on the 19" wheels. It seems that I was wrong. Anyway I don't mind a heavier wheel on a daily driver car. They survive potholes better :) compared with my ex-Scuderia's magnesium alloys.
Yes, RC, you are correct, a Panamera or a Cayenne would be a better choice for my roads but I don't like heavy sporty vehicles.
Ferdie: I did consider a white exterior as well :) But I really like how the platinum silver looks next to espresso. This silver has a subtle shade of beige in it ;) that is why it goes so well with the espresso interior. And it shows dirt and dust much less than the white.
I had the telephone module on my previous 911. I don't want to use a SIM card with a car anymore. Ever. And that is the main difference between the two options as far as I know. The external GSM antenna (which I don't know if it has 3G capabilities) works only if you use a SIM card. If you still connect through Bluetooth is the same thing as my option.
I barely use the sound system in my cars. Really. I would add Bose for the passengers though.
By the way I still consider adding the Adaptive seats and Bose.
Thank you guys and please don't stop :)
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Well my 0 knowledge of german has come in super handy on this one. Platinum silver with espresso interior is nearly perfection for me . And maybe just because I have a love for bigger wheels I'd say good choice on the 20" Classics, I think they really tie in the proportions of the car and make it look its best.
Oh and I'm going to officially start the nagging for pictures
Aug 11, 2012 3:30:20 PM
John H:
RC:
John H:
I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..
The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.
(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )
Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)
As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!
'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)
997.1 C2S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen pickup, BMW Z4 2.5i Roadster Sterling Grey/Red
Pentium:
I had the telephone module on my previous 911. I don't want to use a SIM card with a car anymore. Ever. And that is the main difference between the two options as far as I know. The external GSM antenna (which I don't know if it has 3G capabilities) works only if you use a SIM card. If you still connect through Bluetooth is the same thing as my option.
Not quite. With the telephone module the phone is connected via bluetooth to the car's main aerial for much better reception and less battery drain on the phone.
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Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D "Clockwork Rat"
Aug 11, 2012 5:42:08 PM
easy_rider911:
John H:
RC:
John H:
I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..
The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.
(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )
Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)
As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!
'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)
+1 : In my experience dealing with many different nationalities the Danes come closest to the British sense of humour. The genes must be inherited from the rape and pillage days.
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Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid. - Albert Einstein
Porsche 997 Carrera S PDK Aqua Blue / Black - Toyota Yaris D4D "Clockwork Rat"
dreamcar:
easy_rider911:
John H:
RC:
John H:
I only know one German word.. - the one for brassiere - Disalstoppemfloppen..
The above "german" word doesn't make any sense.
(Or maybe I just don't get british humor...? )
Sorry for OT but the 'joke' is a German sounding word for brassiere (This will stop them flopping)
As Reginos said - John Cleese type humour... maybe it doesn't travel well!
'Word play' based humour doesn't travel well ... but I thought it was hilarious John ... keep 'em coming! :)
+1 : In my experience dealing with many different nationalities the Danes come closest to the British sense of humour. The genes must be inherited from the rape and pillage days.
This isn't so much a matter of differences in humour as the fact that a word which might "look" German to English speakers does not look at all German to German eyes, and I think most Germans trying to make sense of the joke would initially struggle due to tending to break up the syllables as "Di-sals-topp-em-flopp-en", causing them to fall at the first hurdle.
Ironically, the real German word for brassiere, "Busenhalter", literally "bosom holder", is probably funnier to English eyes due to its directness than that fake German word is to German eyes.
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fritz