Aug 5, 2012 7:54:21 PM

REALZEUS: Expert; Loc: UK and Greece , United Kingdom; Posts: 1611, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 24, 2008; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

dreamcar:

nberry:

The Boxster is an excellent car but it suffers from an image problem.

I couldn't care less about the car's perceived image or what anybody else thinks. I buy a car for my needs, not theirs.

I wonder why customers are trading Aston Martin V8 Vantages and in one case a Ferrari California for the new Boxster?

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Financial reasons?

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Aug 5, 2012 7:56:58 PM

Ferdie: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Europe , Germany; Posts: 8234, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2004; Reply to: bluelines

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

bluelines:
To be fair, then I would compare it to the 911 Carrera cabriolet which is GBP 79.9 rather than the coupe. The Boxster comes with a foldable soft-top as standard, the 911 not.

The price difference between the 911 and the Boxster is both genius and ridiculous at the same time. A majority of the components are shared between the cars, including the engine and the gearbox. It does not cost more to build a 991 than a 981.

You´re right, that makes the difference even more outstanding. Guess Porsche does not have many possibilities since the Boxster still competes more with the Z4 or SLK and therefore has to keep a somewhat humble pricetag, at least in standard spec. You are totally correct that the difference becomes even more outrageous if you compare the respective convertible model with it.

The 991, apart from its different classification, seems to be significantly more expensive if one chooses the attractive options on it. Have to agree with Fritz though that it is a very clever marketing and business move on Porsche´s side...

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Aug 5, 2012 7:58:53 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

Ferdie:
What they do mention though that the rigidity of the Boxster does not necessarily leave any need for improvement.

I would agree with that based on personal experience. The lower centre of gravity should reduce body roll too.

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Aug 5, 2012 8:05:04 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

Ferdie:

Guess Porsche does not have many possibilities since the Boxster still competes more with the Z4 or SLK and therefore has to keep a somewhat humble pricetag...

I think you are spot on with that assessment.

The price difference is probably set by the market segment rather than Porsche's marketing department. The 911 has always had a sportscar premium and that explains the big difference, even if the 911 and Boxster models are very similar today.

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Aug 5, 2012 8:13:53 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: REALZEUS

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

REALZEUS:
Preferences mate. I have had al fresko motoring from E-Type Jags to the Commander post of our MBTs. Good for the sheer fun but when you are really gunning for it, I prefer a closed cockpit.

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Absolutely, one man's meat is another's poison and all that. But as I buy a sports car for fun open top is great, to be fair I enjoy the fixed head coupe refinement of our 997, it's nothing like as claustrophobic as the Cayman was and comfort is in a different league, as is performance, together with that wonderful 911 bark from the exhausts. For us the Cayman was a big mistake, the 997S is a thousand times better.

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Aug 5, 2012 9:01:35 PM

Porsche-Jeck: Rennteam Master; Loc: Rheinland , Germany; Posts: 4856, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 27, 2005; Reply to: Ferdie

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

Ferdie:
I guess any motorcycle rider would laugh about the concerns we have here.

Or SUV drivers for that matter Smiley

( stunt starts at 1:03 )

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FLUkaySEY8

I am not aware of any similar stunt with an open sportscar on the Nordschleife (low center of gravity etc...) though I spotted the wreck of a HondaS 2000 after rolling over a week ago in the Eifel (accident happened on public road though). The car looked very bad with "folded" windscreen, bent roll over bars and still driver and passenger walked away with minor bruises.

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Aug 6, 2012 3:22:35 AM

Gladstone: Expert; Loc: Kansas City, MO , United States; Posts: 1813, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 27, 2008; Reply to: Porsche-Jeck

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

We started with a Nissan product, but this thread has picked up some steam! Quite interesting. Thanks. wink

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Aug 6, 2012 7:13:01 AM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: REALZEUS

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

REALZEUS:

dreamcar:

nberry:

The Boxster is an excellent car but it suffers from an image problem.

I couldn't care less about the car's perceived image or what anybody else thinks. I buy a car for my needs, not theirs.

I wonder why customers are trading Aston Martin V8 Vantages and in one case a Ferrari California for the new Boxster?

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Financial reasons?

Might just be because 981 Boxster S is the best real world sports car out there right now..... smiley

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Aug 6, 2012 12:02:56 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

dreamcar:

nberry:

The Boxster is an excellent car but it suffers from an image problem.

I couldn't care less about the car's perceived image or what anybody else thinks. I buy a car for my needs, not theirs.

Smiley +1

True car lovers don't buy cars for conspicuous consumption but for their own pleasure and satisfaction.

The Boxster is a top car in terms of performance and handling and very affordable to purchase and maintain. Its real world ground covering abilty is more than enough for 95% of the drivers at 99% of the time.

The Cayman is a very good coupe but I don't like the fact that it can get very noisy and boomy inside compared to the Boxster. It feels also more cramped although I believe the dimensions don't differ. The price difference is negligible as is the added HP, compared to the Boxster.

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Aug 6, 2012 12:26:45 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: reginos

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

reginos:

The Cayman is a very good coupe but I don't like the fact that it can get very noisy and boomy inside compared to the Boxster.

perhaps the 981 Cayman will not have this 'feature'

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Aug 6, 2012 12:37:32 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: sfo

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

I hope they correct it. However, this is a consequence of the fact that the engine is "inside" the cabin because of the hatchback design. They should fit a vertical window (electrically moving) separating the cabin from the luggage area.

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Aug 6, 2012 12:48:20 PM

sfo: Rennteam Pro; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 2093, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 17, 2011; Reply to: reginos

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

reginos:

I hope they correct it. However, this is a consequence of the fact that the engine is "inside" the cabin because of the hatchback design. They should fit a vertical window (electrically moving) separating the cabin from the luggage area.

In roof up mode, Boxster also has engine "inside" the cabin ..

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Aug 6, 2012 1:01:10 PM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: sfo

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

In the Boxster part of the engine is outside the cabin under the clamp. Besides, I think that the soft top absorbs some of the noise. The large hatchback of the Cayman acts as a kind of bell-chamber.

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Aug 6, 2012 2:13:33 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: reginos

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

The 996 used to suffer from this booming also - 997 doesn't. (although I assumed that was partly due to PASM)

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Aug 6, 2012 3:30:38 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: bridggar

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

bridggar:

The 996 used to suffer from this booming also - 997 doesn't. (although I assumed that was partly due to PASM)

PASM

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Aug 6, 2012 5:00:17 PM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: dreamcar

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

Yes - the boom I used to tire of was suspension rebound on rubbish roads (my 996C4S was lowered 10mm I think) to the point where I would avoid using it some days to avoid a headache! (a bit like having the sunroof open without the window being ajar) It's almost completely absent in the 997 - except when using sport mode.

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Aug 6, 2012 5:08:18 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: bridggar

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

bridggar:

Yes - the boom I used to tire of was suspension rebound on rubbish roads (my 996C4S was lowered 10mm I think) to the point where I would avoid using it some days to avoid a headache! (a bit like having the sunroof open without the window being ajar) It's almost completely absent in the 997 - except when using sport mode.

Are you saying it was lowered 10mm after delivery from the factory? Smiley

If so, then surely it wouldn't be possible to make the blanket statement relating to booming noises in 996s generally that your previous post implied, because the car was no longer stock? Smiley

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Aug 6, 2012 5:09:17 PM

dreamcar: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Hampshire , United Kingdom; Posts: 8797, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 19, 2004; Reply to: bridggar

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

bridggar:

Yes - the boom I used to tire of was suspension rebound on rubbish roads (my 996C4S was lowered 10mm I think) to the point where I would avoid using it some days to avoid a headache! (a bit like having the sunroof open without the window being ajar) It's almost completely absent in the 997 - except when using sport mode.

Well I learned something new, mistakenly I thought PASM was first introduced with 987/ 997

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Aug 6, 2012 5:38:07 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: fritz

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

fritz:

bridggar:

Yes - the boom I used to tire of was suspension rebound on rubbish roads (my 996C4S was lowered 10mm I think) to the point where I would avoid using it some days to avoid a headache! (a bit like having the sunroof open without the window being ajar) It's almost completely absent in the 997 - except when using sport mode.

Are you saying it was lowered 10mm after delivery from the factory?

If so, then surely it wouldn't be possible to make the blanket statement relating to booming noises in 996s generally that your previous post implied, because the car was no longer stock?

I thnk he was refering to the 996C4S being 10mm "lower" than the standard 996Carrera since ir had the Turbo's suspension
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Aug 6, 2012 5:47:05 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

Carlos from Spain:

fritz:

bridggar:

Yes - the boom I used to tire of was suspension rebound on rubbish roads (my 996C4S was lowered 10mm I think) to the point where I would avoid using it some days to avoid a headache! (a bit like having the sunroof open without the window being ajar) It's almost completely absent in the 997 - except when using sport mode.

Are you saying it was lowered 10mm after delivery from the factory?

If so, then surely it wouldn't be possible to make the blanket statement relating to booming noises in 996s generally that your previous post implied, because the car was no longer stock?

I thnk he was refering to the 996C4S being 10mm "lower" than the standard 996Carrera since ir had the Turbo's suspension

I thought that too, which is why I asked for confirmation. The wording "my 996C4S was lowered 10mm I think" could be understood both ways and whilst I don't remember ever driving a C4S I also don't remember any notable booming from the rear axle of a 996 Turbo, for example. Smiley

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Aug 6, 2012 6:21:04 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21148, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: fritz

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

Me neither, and I had a 996C4 with the M030 -10mm suspension kit.

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Aug 8, 2012 8:43:20 AM

bridggar: Veteran; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 1223, Gallery; Registered on: May 25, 2007; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

It was standard C4S (which had 10mm lower sport suspension than standard car in UK).

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Aug 8, 2012 9:30:36 AM

blueflame: Expert; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 1700, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 28, 2005; Reply to: bridggar

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

Back to topic smiley

Just 6.000 GTRs in 4 years...

I just found out that Audi made just 20.000 R8 in 6 years:

http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Audi_R8

Also, not very much compared to the 911.

Auto-Bild wrote last week - that the sales of the R8 in Germany are very low, despite all the new versions.

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Aug 28, 2012 2:25:48 PM

koko: Rennteam Pro; Loc: UAE , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 2753, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 3, 2004; Reply to: blueflame

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Nissan GT-R successor confirmed for 2018

Even though some sources indicated a while ago that there won’t be a next-gen GT-R, Edmunds has obtained some precious info after a visit to Nissan’s R&D center in Atsugi, saying that a new GT-R is due in 2018.

http://www.insideline.com/nissan/gt-r/next-generation-nissan-gt-r-on-track-for-2018.html

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Aug 30, 2012 3:25:19 PM

BiTurbo: Rennteam Master; Loc: X , United States; Posts: 3251, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 27, 2006; Reply to: koko

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

That should keep Porsche on its toes and will feel threatened by the GTR and its ring time indecision

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Aug 30, 2012 3:31:50 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

BiTurbo:

That should keep Porsche on its toes and will feel threatened by the GTR and its ring time

Now Porsche knows that it has until 2017 to react. Smiley

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Aug 30, 2012 5:54:56 PM

bluelines: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Argovia , Switzerland; Posts: 11655, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 29, 2005; Reply to: BiTurbo

Re: Only 6000 Nissan GTRs sold to date

BiTurbo:

That should keep Porsche on its toes and will feel threatened by the GTR and its ring time

Yes, I am sure they are shivering with fear in Zuffenhausen now Smiley

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