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Nov 1, 2012 10:51:22 AM

Matt C: Veteran; Loc: Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 1092, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 28, 2003; Reply to: boytronic

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Am I the only one who thinks that the wing is actually not that bad. Could it be that it can be raised?

What I don't like much more is that they carry the central locking wheels over from the current generation. This is really a huge PITA. Would love to see this at least as an option that can be deleted. Additionally, I hope that they will keep the mesh in the front spoiler, which is quite helpful since you won't have to almost crawl into these holes to get all that garbage out that is overwise collected in there.

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Nov 8, 2012 9:42:15 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Matt C

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

2013 Porsche 911 GT3...

"Spied recently on the Nurburgring, the new 991 GT3 shows an evolutionary design from the previous GT3 with a more aggressive front bumper, center dual exhaust and large rear wing. The 3.8-litre engine is expected to be upgraded to 470 bhp..."

2013 Porsche 911 GT3 -- MSN Cars link

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Nov 8, 2012 10:44:18 PM

Gauss: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Luxembourg , Luxembourg; Posts: 5822, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 3, 2003; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

470 bhp would be quite a lot for the "non-RS" version.

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Nov 9, 2012 12:39:41 AM

jesse: Co-Pilot; Loc: Germany , Germany; Posts: 270, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 13, 2004; Reply to: Gauss

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Gauss:

470 bhp would be quite a lot for the "non-RS" version.

But obvious/necessary to keep the usual ~30hp distance toward the Carrera S with X51 option.

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Nov 10, 2012 4:01:26 PM

olli: Pilot; Loc: Germany; Posts: 418, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: jesse

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

The real problem with the GT3 could be timing. Assuming that it is shown at the Geneva Car Show in March, and available from about May or June, there may only be 9 months or so until the GT3 RS is likely to see the light of day. The latter has become a more distinct possibility recently, partly because the new 991 based GT3 RSR will be based on it and race in the 2014 season.

One of the things which reportedly may hold up the RS is the development of a road worthy sequential gearbox, but that could be skipped in favor of a normal PDK box. So if you are keen on the new GT3 but ultimately want to trade up to the RS, there is precious little time to enjoy the former...

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Nov 10, 2012 11:12:33 PM

macca993: Senior; Loc: On a Circuit , New Zealand; Posts: 510, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 15, 2012; Reply to: olli

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Hi Olli +Jesse

Olli - I dont really see the difference between the 991 GT3/RS launch timing and previous generations? The information I have suggests June/July GT3 production starts with deliveries from late July onwards. The only information I have read is that the 991 GT3RS will arrive at a similar tie in 2014. It would be a departure from history for Porsche to stop the base GT3 as being the platform from which the GT3RS and subsequent competition cars are based. I think we could be second guessing Porsche here.

Jesse. Previously stated on this thread is an expectation of 455 bhp for the 991 GT3. As the 3.8S comes in at 394 and with power-kit option perhaps 425 then the 30 bhp "difference" you speak of is still there.....and it will be a lighter car with larger brakes and suspension better tuned for handling with possibly some software changes to the gearbox and steering. I think there is little doubt we are talking 3-4 tenths+ quicker to 100 (3.7-3.8 sec) and a considerable improvement around tracks such as SPA and Ring...

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Nov 11, 2012 12:01:36 AM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: macca993

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

I concur with Macca on timings. My OPC has confirmed 991 GT3 RS will come November 2013, which I believe follows the same schedule as previous generations? Regardless those who choose a GT3 choose a GT3 otherwise they would choose an RS :)

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Nov 11, 2012 4:58:48 PM

olli: Pilot; Loc: Germany; Posts: 418, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: boytronic

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Macca, my previous information was that the GT3 would be available in time for "club sport"season 2013 and be the top 991 dog in 2014 as well, as the RS would only be available from late 2014.my plan was to get the GT3 early on on then trade up to the RS in early 2015. That plan is now longer sensible, as the RS will probably appear faster than that. I was not suggesting that the GT3 would be phased out when the RS is introduced.

Boytronic, I hope your are right, but it may take a little while longer for the RS to appear. I seem to remember that it took well over a year for the 997.2 RS to follow the 997.2 GT3.

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Nov 12, 2012 7:24:48 PM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: olli

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Interesting Olli.

The information I have found so far suggests the GT3 launched at Geneva in March 2009 and the RS launched at Frankfurt in September 2009, with deliveries of the RS starting spring 2010. So the gap was around 6 months?

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Nov 13, 2012 11:36:39 AM

olli: Pilot; Loc: Germany; Posts: 418, Gallery; Registered on: Aug 24, 2006; Reply to: boytronic

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Boytronic, I checked the facts, and you are absolutely right!

Still, 2013 will be a busy year for Porsche, starrting with the new Cayman at the LA show, the new GT3 in Geneva, the Panamera facelift probably squeezed in somewhere in between and the grand finale at the Frankfurt show in September, where the new Turbo and the Macan will be in the spotlight.

The question then is, will they use up an additional bullet by introducing the new GT3 RS in Frankfurt as well, and if not, how much later would they do it?

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Nov 13, 2012 11:50:23 AM

rulesdontapply: Pilot; Loc: Kuwait , Kuwait; Posts: 462, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 22, 2010; Reply to: olli

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Don't forget the 918's global production debut on September 18 [9/18 - how fitting]. My guess with the Panamera facelift is that we'll see it at a Chinese auto show in either Beijing or Shanghai in April; fitting as China is one of the biggest Panamera markets and how the car was globally unveiled there back in 2009.

With all that's going on, this could be our tentative timeline for the next 12 months:

November 2012: 981 Cayman
March 2013: 991 GT3
April 2013: 971 Panamera
September 2013: Macan, 991 Turbo, 918 Spyder
November 2013: 991 GT3 RS

Subject to change, naturally. I'd personally love to see a Macan concept before the unveiling; AutoBild had a piece [with the recent green Macan rendering] about us seeing something like this by Geneva in 2013. Any input from the more informed among us?

rulesdontapply

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Nov 13, 2012 12:01:44 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59581, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: boytronic

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

boytronic:

I concur with Macca on timings. My OPC has confirmed 991 GT3 RS will come November 2013, which I believe follows the same schedule as previous generations? Regardless those who choose a GT3 choose a GT3 otherwise they would choose an RS :)

A November 2013 release would only be possible if the 991 GT3 will be available latest May 2013.

We need to be careful not to confuse the press release/presentation dates with the availability dates at dealers. Smiley

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Nov 13, 2012 1:37:42 PM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Yes RC I agree - I am not sure whether my dealer was referring to November as the press launch or availability to order date for the RS.

But if the 991 follows the 997 timetable we could see the GT3 RS sitting side by side with the 918 at Frankfurt in September 2013 - that would be a treat :)

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Nov 13, 2012 9:16:09 PM

lukestern: Expert; Loc: Somewhere , United Kingdom; Posts: 1377, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: rulesdontapply

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

rulesdontapply:

Don't forget the 918's global production debut on September 18 [9/18 - how fitting]. My guess with the Panamera facelift is that we'll see it at a Chinese auto show in either Beijing or Shanghai in April; fitting as China is one of the biggest Panamera markets and how the car was globally unveiled there back in 2009.

With all that's going on, this could be our tentative timeline for the next 12 months:

November 2012: 981 Cayman
March 2013: 991 GT3
April 2013: 971 Panamera
September 2013: Macan, 991 Turbo, 918 Spyder
November 2013: 991 GT3 RS

Subject to change, naturally. I'd personally love to see a Macan concept before the unveiling; AutoBild had a piece [with the recent green Macan rendering] about us seeing something like this by Geneva in 2013. Any input from the more informed among us?

rulesdontapply

Macan - Definitely introduced in Frankfurt 2013 - First customer cars by the end of 2013
991 Turbo - Most likely introduced before Frankfurt 2013 - Probably early summer 2013

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Sold: 997.1 C2S Black/Black - PSE, PCCB, -20mm/LSD, Short-shifter, SportChrono, etc.

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Nov 15, 2012 11:05:06 AM

SportCarGroup: Expert; Loc: IL , Israel; Posts: 1834, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 10, 2012; Reply to: rulesdontapply

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

rulesdontapply:

With all that's going on, this could be our tentative timeline for the next 12 months:

November 2012: 981 Cayman
March 2013: 991 GT3
April 2013: 971 Panamera
September 2013: Macan, 991 Turbo, 918 Spyder
November 2013: 991 GT3 RS

rulesdontapply

What about 991 Targa?

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Nov 15, 2012 2:53:52 PM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: SportCarGroup

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

SportCarGroup:

rulesdontapply:

With all that's going on, this could be our tentative timeline for the next 12 months:

November 2012: 981 Cayman
March 2013: 991 GT3
April 2013: 971 Panamera
September 2013: Macan, 991 Turbo, 918 Spyder
November 2013: 991 GT3 RS

rulesdontapply

What about 991 Targa?

I think they forgot about it like everyone forgot about the previous Targas.... ;-)

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Nov 15, 2012 3:28:48 PM

rulesdontapply: Pilot; Loc: Kuwait , Kuwait; Posts: 462, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 22, 2010; Reply to: boytronic

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

boytronic:

SportCarGroup:

rulesdontapply:

With all that's going on, this could be our tentative timeline for the next 12 months:

November 2012: 981 Cayman
March 2013: 991 GT3
April 2013: 971 Panamera
September 2013: Macan, 991 Turbo, 918 Spyder
November 2013: 991 GT3 RS

rulesdontapply

What about 991 Targa?

I think they forgot about it like everyone forgot about the previous Targas.... ;-)

Isn't the 991 Targa parading around as a 2015 model? If that's the case, we won't see it until early 2014; Geneva would make sense. Let's not forget the upcoming special edition 911 commemorating the 911's 50th anniversary due to be unveiled in Frankfurt; with so much happening in 2013, I wonder where Porsche would squeeze a new Targa in.

rulesdontapply

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Dec 3, 2012 7:51:35 PM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: rulesdontapply

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Also, don't forget the Electric Boxster due next year :)

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Dec 3, 2012 8:30:16 PM

Enzo II: Veteran; Loc: Spain , Spain; Posts: 1248, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: boytronic

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Are you kidding?

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Dec 4, 2012 8:46:09 AM

Cram: Expert; Loc: french area , Switzerland; Posts: 1618, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 28, 2005; Reply to: Enzo II

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

i'm really looking forward to the GT3 RS

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Dec 4, 2012 11:21:05 AM

boytronic: Veteran; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 961, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 5, 2005; Reply to: Enzo II

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Enzo II:

Are you kidding?

Lol no. My dealer told me a fully electric 981 is due for launch in 2013.

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Dec 4, 2012 12:50:23 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59581, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: boytronic

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

boytronic:

Is there a logical reason for testing in SF? I guess they could test the parking brake and recreate that scene from Bullitt...

Thanks for the update :)

Las Vegas...the desert...Death Valley...Yosemite...SF and LA...perfect for testing.

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Dec 4, 2012 7:44:16 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Yep, they go all the way up the west coast and past Vancouver. I've seen a whole testing convoy many times heading into the mountains of Whistler on the Sea to Sky highway! Porsche puts millions of miles on any given model and they test pretty much in every ecosystem.

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Jan 5, 2013 10:58:09 PM

watt: Rennteam Master; Loc: Way Back In , New Zealand; Posts: 4561, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 27, 2002; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

How credible is this?

http://blog.caranddriver.com/spied-2013-porsche-911-gt3/

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Jan 5, 2013 11:24:26 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5884, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: watt

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

watt:

How credible is this?

http://blog.caranddriver.com/spied-2013-porsche-911-gt3/

Hi watt -- this article was based on an early 991 mule doing some cold weather testing, reported in February 2012...

For comparison, here are a couple of pics of a more recent pre-production 991 GT3 test mule...

...and there may be a few more styling clues in the 2013 Porsche 991 GT3 Cup...

...expect a few more details to be revealed ahead of the official debut at the Geneva Auto Show! Smiley

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Jan 6, 2013 12:26:18 PM

mojeIme: Junior; Loc: NY , United States; Posts: 105, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 17, 2010; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Will the 991 GT3 and GTRS versions feature the 4 wheel stearing that is expected on the turbo?

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Jan 9, 2013 2:02:50 PM

Budster: Veteran; Loc: Cape Town , South Africa; Posts: 1029, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 9, 2011; Reply to: mojeIme

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Not strictly a GT3 post, but did anyone notice the photo in Christophorus 359 accompanying the new 7m39s N'Burg record time for the Carrera S? Did you notice that the stick was in the manual position...?!

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Jan 10, 2013 2:35:30 PM

pxaxh: Co-Pilot; Loc: melbourne , Australia; Posts: 283, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 16, 2011; Reply to: Budster

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

Budster:

Not strictly a GT3 post, but did anyone notice the photo in Christophorus 359 accompanying the new 7m39s N'Burg record time for the Carrera S? Did you notice that the stick was in the manual position...?!

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Jan 27, 2013 3:34:14 PM

atomic80: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Bellevue, WA USA , United States; Posts: 2596, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2006; Reply to: pxaxh

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

I'm very interested in seeing what kind of updates Porsche makes to the new 991 GT3 RS because I'll be getting one! Yep, folks, you heard it here first!

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Jan 29, 2013 7:50:12 AM

Jay: Pilot; Loc: Earth , Eritrea; Posts: 346, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 6, 2002; Reply to: atomic80

Re: PDK in the next 991 GT3?

atomic80:

I'm very interested in seeing what kind of updates Porsche makes to the new 991 GT3 RS because I'll be getting one! Yep, folks, you heard it here first!

Congrats in advance - it will be one hell of a car!

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