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    May 3, 2012 2:13:49 PM

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    China has overtaken the USA...Porsche

    For the very first time, China is Porsche's number one market...pushing the USA from the throne.

    Porsche sold over 400 cars more in China than in the USA in the first three months of 2012.

    Best selling (world wide) Porsche model is the Cayenne, followed by the Panamera.

    Even with the new 911 available, Porsche wasn't able to sell more 911 than Panamera.

    Interesting: Porsche will announce nine (9) further new models this year. Which leaves a lot of room for speculations. Smiley

    Carrera 4

    Carrera 4S

    Cayman

    Cayman S

    Macan

    Macan S

    Macan Turbo

    Still room for two more models... Smiley


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    May 3, 2012 2:22:09 PM

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    Re: China has overtaken the USA...Porsche

    This are very interesting news. New Models might also be a stronger Diesel engine for Cayenne / Panameras as the current lacks on power compared to the competition. 

    I dont think we will seen the Macan in Turbo version from beginning on, but maybe a Diesel instead.

    Also - there is room for Hybrids in the 911, as well as Targa or GT3 Versions?

    May 3, 2012 2:27:47 PM

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    Sorry, I forgot the Macan Diesel...so only one more model. 
    Maybe a more powerful Cayenne or Panamera Diesel? Smiley

    991 GT3 should be due next year...same with Turbo.


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    May 3, 2012 2:58:36 PM

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    Re: China has overtaken the USA...Porsche

    production version of the 918?

    May 3, 2012 3:03:53 PM

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    production version of the 918?

    Smiley


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    May 3, 2012 3:38:03 PM

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    Re: China has overtaken the USA...Porsche

    I don't get a good feeling about these news, we used to complain someties how the importance of the US market sometimes influenced the 911 or other Porsche's to satisfy the idiosyncracies of this market, but the idea of the chineese customers influence the design and fearures of our Porsches???enlightened


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    May 3, 2012 3:47:40 PM

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    Re: China has overtaken the USA...Porsche

    Carlos from Spain:

    I don't get a good feeling about these news, we used to complain someties how the importance of the US market sometimes influenced the 911 or other Porsche's to satisfy the idiosyncracies of this market, but the idea of the chineese customers influence the design and fearures of our Porsches???enlightened

    You should worry. Since streets in China are getting better and better, especially in the wealthier regions, the 911 started to sell better too. So it will definitely influence the 911 development in the future in a way or another.


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    May 3, 2012 3:50:29 PM

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    Re: China has overtaken the USA...Porsche

    RC:
    Carlos from Spain:

    I don't get a good feeling about these news, we used to complain someties how the importance of the US market sometimes influenced the 911 or other Porsche's to satisfy the idiosyncracies of this market, but the idea of the chineese customers influence the design and fearures of our Porsches???enlightened

    You should worry. Since streets in China are getting better and better, especially in the wealthier regions, the 911 started to sell better too. So it will definitely influence the 911 development in the future in a way or another.

     why would designing the 911 to cater for the Chinese market be a bad thing?

    chinese folks smaller than western ones, so at least 911 won't need to get any bigger :)

    May 3, 2012 3:58:08 PM

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    I didn't say it is a bad thing. I just said we should worry. 


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    May 3, 2012 4:01:52 PM

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    why would you worry if it was going to be a good thing?

    May 3, 2012 4:09:17 PM

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    sfo:

    why would you worry if it was going to be a good thing?

    I don't know if it is going to be good or bad, so I worry. Smiley


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    May 3, 2012 4:12:53 PM

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    RC:
    sfo:

    why would you worry if it was going to be a good thing?

    I don't know if it is going to be good or bad, so I worry. Smiley

     excellent answer, you must be a lawyer or a politician ...

    May 3, 2012 4:13:28 PM

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    we for me I can say it will be a bad thing, the chinese market in general could not be further away from my taste and preferences... which are more in line with the german market's


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    May 3, 2012 4:19:29 PM

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    Re: China has overtaken the USA...Porsche

    sfo:
    RC:
    sfo:

    why would you worry if it was going to be a good thing?

    I don't know if it is going to be good or bad, so I worry. Smiley

     excellent answer, you must be a lawyer or a politician ...

    Smiley Smiley

    I too worry about the China growth.. and not just because it will change the 911 Smiley

    May 3, 2012 4:26:31 PM

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    we for me I can say it will be a bad thing, the chinese market in general could not be further away from my taste and preferences... which are more in line with the german market's

     how would the chinese market change the 911?

    May 3, 2012 4:33:45 PM

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    sfo:
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    we for me I can say it will be a bad thing, the chinese market in general could not be further away from my taste and preferences... which are more in line with the german market's

     how would the chinese market change the 911?

    may push it to make it bigger, more bling bling details, etc in general ore emphasis on appearance and status and less emphasis on handling, etc.


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    May 3, 2012 5:15:49 PM

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    Well it explains the P O R S C H E lettering on the back of the new 991. Having lived in Asia it's very obvious Chinese people love to show off brands.

    I have a feeling the 991 Turbo is going to be bling bling.

    May 3, 2012 5:28:45 PM

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    palenimbus:

    Well it explains the P O R S C H E lettering on the back of the new 991. 

     

    HAHA... you are right. Just had yesterday a new 911 Convertible ahead of me, the lettering was insane "PORSCHE 911 Carrera S" (even dont know if all of them say 911.... but that one did and it was a Porsche factory car!).

    May 3, 2012 5:53:54 PM

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    sfo:
    RC:
    sfo:

    why would you worry if it was going to be a good thing?

    I don't know if it is going to be good or bad, so I worry. Smiley

     excellent answer, you must be a lawyer or a politician ...

    You almost had him!!!! Smiley


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    May 3, 2012 6:41:55 PM

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    If they announce Carrera 4 and 4S,arent they going to announce Carrera 4 and 4S convertibles also...

    May 3, 2012 6:45:50 PM

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    SoCal Alan:
    sfo:
    RC:
    sfo:

    why would you worry if it was going to be a good thing?

    I don't know if it is going to be good or bad, so I worry. Smiley

     excellent answer, you must be a lawyer or a politician ...

    You almost had him!!!! Smiley

    Well...I was working in the diplo service, so I'm some sort of politician, right?! Smiley

    Lawyer? Do you want to insult me? Smiley

    Just kidding...

    Btw: I actually love China's growth because with every additional millionaire in China, communism is going to fade away further. Smiley


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    May 3, 2012 8:48:55 PM

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    RC:
    Btw: I actually love China's growth because with every additional millionaire in China, communism is going to fade away further. Smiley

    100% agree.

     

    May 3, 2012 8:49:50 PM

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    palenimbus:

    Well it explains the P O R S C H E lettering on the back of the new 991. Having lived in Asia it's very obvious Chinese people love to show off brands.

    I have a feeling the 991 Turbo is going to be bling bling.

    and Westerners don't like to show off brands???

    your powers of extrapolation defy explanation

    May 3, 2012 9:13:47 PM

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    sfo:
    palenimbus:

    Well it explains the P O R S C H E lettering on the back of the new 991. Having lived in Asia it's very obvious Chinese people love to show off brands.

    I have a feeling the 991 Turbo is going to be bling bling.

    and Westerners don't like to show off brands???

    yes, but not nearly as much, at least when it comes to cars.


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    I was troubled by the "Black Edition" lettering on the Boxster S convertible top, and on the door sills.

    Then there is the case of the new BMW 3 series. They have the three lines, Sport Line, Modern Line, and Luxury Line. And for some reason, they feel the need to remind you of which one you are stepping into, by spelling it on the door sills...

    We should coin a new term for moronic bling.

     

    May 4, 2012 6:00:01 AM

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    sfo:
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    Well it explains the P O R S C H E lettering on the back of the new 991. Having lived in Asia it's very obvious Chinese people love to show off brands.

    I have a feeling the 991 Turbo is going to be bling bling.

    and Westerners don't like to show off brands???

    your powers of extrapolation defy explanation

    Come to China/Hong Kong/Singapore at it's pretty obvious.

    May 4, 2012 7:49:00 AM

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    production version of the 918?

    18th Sept 2013 first deliveries :) as per my info...

    May 4, 2012 7:59:34 AM

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    Carlos from Spain:

    I don't get a good feeling about these news, we used to complain someties how the importance of the US market sometimes influenced the 911 or other Porsche's to satisfy the idiosyncracies of this market, but the idea of the chineese customers influence the design and fearures of our Porsches???enlightened

    Crotcheted seat covers and fragrance trees soon will become standard in our Porsches - I can see big business for the Exclusive department with PSTSFT (Porsche smell to sample fragrance tree)  and CSCExT (crotcheted seat covers in exterior colour)  Smiley

    Maybe Boxsters and Caymans will be less affected as the wealthy Chinese never go for entry level models Smiley


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    May 4, 2012 12:05:30 PM

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    Hi RC.  Here is the exact quote from the Porsche press release.  It is a bit confusing, as the nine new models seem to include only 911 derivatives and the Cayenne GTS.  "This year, Porsche will be bringing a further nine models to market – from new derivatives of the new 911 to the especially sporty Cayenne GTS."

    Further on in the release, Porsche mentions the "all new Boxster" and the "new Cayman" for 2012. 

    So if you count the Cayenne GTS, the "new Boxster", the "new Cayman", then that leaves six new models.  My guess is there will be the 991 Carrera 4, 4S, and its two Cabriolet derivatives, and the 991 GT3. 

    May 4, 2012 12:58:14 PM

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    4S only comes in December as per my source yes

     
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