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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Rossi:
Jean:
I'd say even better looking than Enzo when completed.
Well, that isn't very hard to achieve, is it?
It's very hard indeed. 
What we see here is a test mule, not a prototype. It is based largely on the 458. The finished article has no visual resemblence to this.
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
REALZEUS:
Rossi:
Jean:
I'd say even better looking than Enzo when completed.
Well, that isn't very hard to achieve, is it?
It's very hard indeed.
What we see here is a test mule, not a prototype. It is based largely on the 458. The finished article has no visual resemblence to this.
No kidding? 
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Wow, aren't you guys in a sarcastic mood!
Okay, let me rephrase.
I think certain factors will stay exactly the same even in the finished version, such as wheel base, relative driver position in between the wheels, length of rear overhang from the center of the rear wheel to the end of exhaust pipe, where the DSG coupled with the Ferrari designed compact HYKERS sits.
Overall, I think the styling will be much much better than the Enzo. Enzo was a bit too much cab-forward.
Apr 28, 2012 7:51:46 AM
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Nah mate, the F40 is 100,000x times nicer and more raw at that. A true beast of a supercar. After that the F355 is stunning also.
However, i think Ferrari is on the right track lately. The 599 is pretty cool, the 458 very interesting and fresh and this new F12 is amazing!
If they can go back to F40 styling and call the new Enzo simply the F70, i'll be happy with it.
Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Whoopsy:
But Enzo is the greatest looking Ferrari ever, has the performance to back up the looks and it looks fast even when standing still.
Clean purposeful lines, no cartoonish curves like those 60s Ferrari.
I agree about the purposeful design, but many times the fact that something achieves what it sets out to do doesn't mean it did it gracefully. The Enzo is probably the most impressive Ferrari to date, with the best road presence, hell I know my heart skips a beat every time I've seen one in real life. But its because of its comading and imposing proportions and styling, not because its the best looking Ferrari ever. Lets face it, the Enzos styling is damn funky. It's impressive and awe inspiring, and magnificent to look at. But its not "good looking" in the literal sense of the words.
Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Jean:
Wow, aren't you guys in a sarcastic mood!
Okay, let me rephrase.
I think certain factors will stay exactly the same even in the finished version, such as wheel base, relative driver position in between the wheels, length of rear overhang from the center of the rear wheel to the end of exhaust pipe, where the DSG coupled with the Ferrari designed compact HYKERS sits.
Overall, I think the styling will be much much better than the Enzo. Enzo was a bit too much cab-forward.
Ι wasn't being sarcastic but I am afraid you are wrong. This is just a test rig. It's a mocked up 458 with the new Enzo running gear. The actual car has different proportions. 
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Whoopsy:
But Enzo is the greatest looking Ferrari ever, has the performance to back up the looks and it looks fast even when standing still.
Clean purposeful lines, no cartoonish curves like those 60s Ferrari.
I agree wholeheartedly! 
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Apr 28, 2012 2:54:39 PM
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Atzporsche:
Nah mate, the F40 is 100,000x times nicer and more raw at that. A true beast of a supercar. After that the F355 is stunning also.
However, i think Ferrari is on the right track lately. The 599 is pretty cool, the 458 very interesting and fresh and this new F12 is amazing!
If they can go back to F40 styling and call the new Enzo simply the F70, i'll be happy with it.
See? This is a matter of personal opinion. The F40 was great back in the '80s but the Enzo makes it look 50 years old! 
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Enmanuel:
Whoopsy:
But Enzo is the greatest looking Ferrari ever, has the performance to back up the looks and it looks fast even when standing still.
Clean purposeful lines, no cartoonish curves like those 60s Ferrari.
I agree about the purposeful design, but many times the fact that something achieves what it sets out to do doesn't mean it did it gracefully. The Enzo is probably the most impressive Ferrari to date, with the best road presence, hell I know my heart skips a beat every time I've seen one in real life. But its because of its comading and imposing proportions and styling, not because its the best looking Ferrari ever. Lets face it, the Enzos styling is damn funky. It's impressive and awe inspiring, and magnificent to look at. But its not "good looking" in the literal sense of the words.
That is the point of a hypercar. It's supposed to be awe inspiring, like a fighter jet or a tank.
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
REALZEUS:
Jean:
Wow, aren't you guys in a sarcastic mood!
Okay, let me rephrase.
I think certain factors will stay exactly the same even in the finished version, such as wheel base, relative driver position in between the wheels, length of rear overhang from the center of the rear wheel to the end of exhaust pipe, where the DSG coupled with the Ferrari designed compact HYKERS sits.
Overall, I think the styling will be much much better than the Enzo. Enzo was a bit too much cab-forward.
Ι wasn't being sarcastic but I am afraid you are wrong. This is just a test rig. It's a mocked up 458 with the new Enzo running gear. The actual car has different proportions.
Wow, you say that I am wrong very authoritatively. Do you work for Ferrari? 
Even the test rig has to stick to certain standards, and I'm pretty sure that wheel base will not change in the final version. Time will tell.
Apr 28, 2012 4:04:44 PM
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Atzporsche:
Nah mate, the F40 is 100,000x times nicer and more raw at that. A true beast of a supercar. After that the F355 is stunning also.
However, i think Ferrari is on the right track lately. The 599 is pretty cool, the 458 very interesting and fresh and this new F12 is amazing!
If they can go back to F40 styling and call the new Enzo simply the F70, i'll be happy with it.
F40 is not an original design, it's an evolution of the 288GTO, and the 308/328 design with a boy racer wing. It looks awesome in the 80s but already outdated a decade later. It's a time period specific design that doesn't stand the test of time. It is raw that for sure but raw doesn't means the best.
Enzo is more timeless, it's also an original design that looks like nothing before and nothing will look like it again. Now that's the criteria for a timeless classic. It's already a decade old but it doesn't look the age at all.
In contrast, if you see a 250GT on the street, first thing you will noticed is wow that's an OLD car. It has a period specific ugly bumpers and other old age design cues, it's NOT a timeless classic.
Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Futch:
REALZEUS:
No, I do not work for Ferrari but certain things I do happen to know.
Anyway, take care mate!
Like when you knew the exact power output of the F12?
You are obviously wrong and jean is right of course
To my recollection I was not off on that one either. 740 it was all along.
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
REALZEUS:
Futch:
REALZEUS:
No, I do not work for Ferrari but certain things I do happen to know.
Anyway, take care mate!
Like when you knew the exact power output of the F12?
You are obviously wrong and jean is right of course
To my recollection I was not off on that one either. 740 it was all along.
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"All along" after you revised it downwards a little from 900hp 
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http://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?vs=1#post21
Were your "sources" the same ones back then too?
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
fritz:
REALZEUS:
Futch:
REALZEUS:
No, I do not work for Ferrari but certain things I do happen to know.
Anyway, take care mate!
Like when you knew the exact power output of the F12?
You are obviously wrong and jean is right of course
To my recollection I was not off on that one either. 740 it was all along.
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http://www.rennteam.com/forum/page1.html?vs=1#post21
Were your "sources" the same ones back then too?
Ahem... are you confusing the Enzo replacement I was talking about with the F12, or not? 
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Apr 29, 2012 9:00:38 AM
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Jean:
Hi Futch,
Why do I suspect that you have an F12 on order?
Sorry no I haven't. I bought a 599 bought brand new, fitted it with HGTE, good GT but the pain at resale was to great to ignore and the F12 won't be an exception, it will be worth 50% of its value within 3 to 4 years.
Very nice car, good specs on paper but I will never buy a new V12 Ferrari again except supercars. I will try the new Enzo if I like it and mostly if Ferrari decides I'm worthy.
In the meantime, I have followed MKSGR's advice and bought an F40 to complete the 288 GTO!
It is currently being fitted with new fuel tanks, more news soon!
Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Whoopsy:
F40 is not an original design, it's an evolution of the 288GTO, and the 308/328 design with a boy racer wing. It looks awesome in the 80s but already outdated a decade later. It's a time period specific design that doesn't stand the test of time. It is raw that for sure but raw doesn't means the best.
Enzo is more timeless, it's also an original design that looks like nothing before and nothing will look like it again. Now that's the criteria for a timeless classic. It's already a decade old but it doesn't look the age at all.
In contrast, if you see a 250GT on the street, first thing you will noticed is wow that's an OLD car. It has a period specific ugly bumpers and other old age design cues, it's NOT a timeless classic.
+1
I share the same opinion.
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Re: The world's ugliest camouflaged Ferrari....
Futch:
In the meantime, I have followed MKSGR's advice and bought an F40 to complete the 288 GTO!It is currently being fitted with new fuel tanks, more news soon!
Awesome 
Enjoy your toys in good health
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