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Ferdie:

Budster:

I'm not such whether it's correct to suggest that "porcsh" (i.e. without the 2nd sylable "E") is "wrong" - I also don't know of a single Englishman who pronounces Volkswagen correctly (i.e. "Folks vagen") - but one has to realise that in Britain, the anglicised version is perfectly acceptable - dare I say correctly - pronounced with a V and W sound.

I know it's "Porsch-er", but I'm quite happy to say Porsche.  In fact if you say "Porsch-er" in most English-speaking countries, people think you're just trying to be smart.

I personally believe that, feeling obliged to use the correct spelling, one should also feel the need to find the proper pronunciation. This all is naturally restricted by one´s own capability of expression. We certainly won´t change how Americans pronounce Porsche and Aluminium but at least regarding family names one might be interested in the pronunciation within the country of origin. 

That said, the "e" in Porsche is pronounced as the "a" in ambitious.

 

Is this correct?

"Form follows function"

easy_rider911:

@Budster: I don't mean to make a big deal out of it :)

Just my 2 cents, "Porsche" is a proper noun since it is a person's name. It has a correct way of being pronounced. It's "Porshuh". This isn't a German accent vs British accent kind of thing ...

You could say that "Volkswagen" is a proper name too (consisting of 2 German words) and so may be pronounced "Folkswagen". One could argue instead that this is because one is applying a German accent. This isn't about whether to pronounce a second syllable but is instead about how to pronounce a letter so it's different from the "Porsche" example.

I'm a subscriber to the living language.  As much as I hate to hear estuary English (and similarly there's an article about Berlin street German in The Economist this week), it's a fact of life - languages change.  And they also take in foreign words and (proper) names and make them their own.

So I don't sweat "Porsch".  If you do, surely you should say folks-vahgen (the British also incorrectly shorten the a sound)..?  Volkswagen certainly is a proper name in this context. 

In addition, I doubt that many Englishmen refer to their Braun electric razor as a "Brown" ...

Or their Nokia mobile phone as a NOK-ya (not Noki-ya)

Or their Bulgari (or Bvlgari!) watch as a BUHL-guh-ree

and the only person pronouncing Vauxhall correctly (with an h) is the bloke on the train...  Mind the gap..!

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@Carrageous: sure, there was no standardised spelling in the Middle Ages ... but hey, I was referring to Chaucer, Milton and Shakespeare as an emblematic way of referring to the rich literary heritage of the language ...

@Budster: sure, all languages are living things but IMO that doesn't mean anything goes :)

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Anyway, we're continuing to stray off topic ... so how does one pronounce Macan again? :)

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Indonesians pronounce macan "ma-tshan". More of a ch- sound than anything else: Ma-chan.

Hope that helps.

rulesdontapply

reginos:

Ferdie:

Budster:

I'm not such whether it's correct to suggest that "porcsh" (i.e. without the 2nd sylable "E") is "wrong" - I also don't know of a single Englishman who pronounces Volkswagen correctly (i.e. "Folks vagen") - but one has to realise that in Britain, the anglicised version is perfectly acceptable - dare I say correctly - pronounced with a V and W sound.

I know it's "Porsch-er", but I'm quite happy to say Porsche.  In fact if you say "Porsch-er" in most English-speaking countries, people think you're just trying to be smart.

I personally believe that, feeling obliged to use the correct spelling, one should also feel the need to find the proper pronunciation. This all is naturally restricted by one´s own capability of expression. We certainly won´t change how Americans pronounce Porsche and Aluminium but at least regarding family names one might be interested in the pronunciation within the country of origin. 

That said, the "e" in Porsche is pronounced as the "a" in ambitious.

 

Is this correct?

Close, I think the "o" in porsche is more like the "o" in mother. But German is not my native language either. 

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993Targa:

Just to remind you how the Panamera sketch looked like:

... and then look how it turned out 

That's right , on ANY designer's penstroke sketch , the roofline is about a foot lower and the wheels are about 10 inches bigger in diameter ( with about 2mm of tire height  ) than the eventual production model.

Only thing accurate are general  profiles and lights and window opening shapes

reginos:

Ferdie:

Budster:

I'm not such whether it's correct to suggest that "porcsh" (i.e. without the 2nd sylable "E") is "wrong" - I also don't know of a single Englishman who pronounces Volkswagen correctly (i.e. "Folks vagen") - but one has to realise that in Britain, the anglicised version is perfectly acceptable - dare I say correctly - pronounced with a V and W sound.

I know it's "Porsch-er", but I'm quite happy to say Porsche.  In fact if you say "Porsch-er" in most English-speaking countries, people think you're just trying to be smart.

I personally believe that, feeling obliged to use the correct spelling, one should also feel the need to find the proper pronunciation. This all is naturally restricted by one´s own capability of expression. We certainly won´t change how Americans pronounce Porsche and Aluminium but at least regarding family names one might be interested in the pronunciation within the country of origin. 

That said, the "e" in Porsche is pronounced as the "a" in ambitious.

 

Is this correct?

 

 

 

 

no it's not! there is a phonetical ''e'' (eh) at the end not some sort of 'a' (ah).... what is so difficult about this, for english speaking fellas? didn't you all start learning ur alphabet phonetically?!!

reginos:

Ferdie:

Budster:

I'm not such whether it's correct to suggest that "porcsh" (i.e. without the 2nd sylable "E") is "wrong" - I also don't know of a single Englishman who pronounces Volkswagen correctly (i.e. "Folks vagen") - but one has to realise that in Britain, the anglicised version is perfectly acceptable - dare I say correctly - pronounced with a V and W sound.

I know it's "Porsch-er", but I'm quite happy to say Porsche.  In fact if you say "Porsch-er" in most English-speaking countries, people think you're just trying to be smart.

I personally believe that, feeling obliged to use the correct spelling, one should also feel the need to find the proper pronunciation. This all is naturally restricted by one´s own capability of expression. We certainly won´t change how Americans pronounce Porsche and Aluminium but at least regarding family names one might be interested in the pronunciation within the country of origin. 

That said, the "e" in Porsche is pronounced as the "a" in ambitious.

 

Is this correct?

That depends on how you pronounce the "a" in ambitious.  

fritz

dxpetrov:

 didn't you all start learning ur alphabet phonetically?!!

The education community swings back and forth from "whole language" to "phonics" as the preferred method of teaching reading.  But I'm not sure an understanding of phonics helps anyway.  There are so many different ways of pronouncing words in English.  My wife, a native Spanish speaker, complains of that frequently.  Particularly vowels where in English we have a long and short form but in Spanish there is only one way to pronounce each letter, or at least that is my understanding.

And, like, nobody taught me the phonics of the German language, you know?

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You're v talented. Porsche needs to commission more designs from your studio :)

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I think that the pronunciation of 'porsche' is very tricky

if i say: porsch-uh in italian ex: il mio porsch-uh e giallo. to me it doesn't sound right. the sentence just doesn't flow

imo it sounds much better with 'e' ex: il mio porsch-e va da dio. but of course i might be wrong because italian is not my first language.

I can say the same about my first language, romanian. porsch-uh just sounds wrong in a romanian sentence

When i speak english or german it is porsch-uh, which is the right way of course :)

  Sorry for the off topic

Agent991:

I think that the pronunciation of 'porsche' is very tricky

  Sorry for the off topic

Many people like to say Porsch - thats incorrect

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Milanno:

Agent991:

I think that the pronunciation of 'porsche' is very tricky

  Sorry for the off topic

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RLg0xw_4bo

Many people like to say Porsch - thats incorrect

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i know the right way :) i just think it sounds funny if you pronounce it the right way in italian or romanian

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easy_rider911:

... The only exceptions I've come across are the BBC World Service and the news bulletins on the hour (e.g. on BBC Radio 4). Listening to those is like listening to broadcasts from decades ago. The pronunciation is just from another era. I really like them.

Have a listen to this guy, Zeb Soanes. He does the news on BBC Radio 4 and the Shipping Forecast. If you listen to his voice, you would not believe that this guy is as young as he is or that he looks like this in real life.

http://www.zebsoanes.com/

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The Macan scketch reminds me 2003 Infiniti FX35......mostly the rear.....

Porsche is the master in selling their brand and image.

As long as the machine is the leader in its class, sales will be guaranteed, even with a unique name such as Macan.

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Given that so many of these may be sold in China, perhaps the name choice is a very smart one :)

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easy_rider911:

Given that so many of these may be sold in China, perhaps the name choice is a very smart one :)

I think the Macan will be a bigger hit than Cayenne everywhere, except USA perhaps where buyers are used to larger cars. Many people who find the Cayenne either too big or too expensive would love to drive a more affordable and smaller Porsche. Personally, I wouldn't buy the Macan instead of the Q5 and pay 15-20% extra, unless it was the one in the range with a Porsche engine not a Porsche-nized VW engine. But then again I have a 911 and thus my needs for the brand are covered.

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More than 10% over the price of a Q5 is a robbery IMO, there is no justification for that over an AUDI sharing the same platform. And given the segment it will compete in, I don't think they will as it would seriously hurt sales.

I don't think we will see the engine sharing as anticipated. It will be a great product for people who want the Porsche badge on a family car. Cayenne has made a point, now this will annihilate the segment...

dxpetrov:

I don't think we will see the engine sharing as anticipated. It will be a great product for people who want the Porsche badge on a family car. Cayenne has made a point, now this will annihilate the segment...

I think you nailed it. 

This is also the reason why the Macan is very likely going to stay the only "entry level" Porsche for now and the engines will be nice but not even close to Cayenne performance. There will also be a distinction in design, like I said before, the Macan will get completely different front and rear lights than the Cayenne, also the interior won't be as luxurious as the Cayenne's one, more like a slight upgrade to the Boxster interior with some off-road elements. 

As far as I heard, there won't be an air suspension available for the Macan either.

So far, one Diesel engine and two fuel engines will be available from the start. A second, less powerful Diesel engine and a more powerful fuel engine will be available later on. Of course this information is based on rumors, take it with a grain of salt.

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Milanno:

Agent991:

I think that the pronunciation of 'porsche' is very tricky

  Sorry for the off topic

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6RLg0xw_4bo

Many people like to say Porsch - thats incorrect

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In french you just say '' Porsch '' . No one ever would pronounce it as in German ' Porsch-uh'' Porsch- eh ''

So it also depends on the language one uses.

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Funny how it varies from country to country, In Spain you say "Por- ché" with the che pronounced as in chernobyl, probably because its the same a the spanish word for porch (porche).

If you used the german pronunciation of "Porsh-ah" they would think you don't know how to pronounce it, and if you use "Porsch" they think you are artificially trying to be a snob or something.

reginos:

Ferdie:

That said, the "e" in Porsche is pronounced as the "a" in ambitious.

Is this correct?

The "e" is pronounced well, but especially the "o" has a rather American accent to it. This comes directly from the mothership of German car magazines:

I actually think that the e is not pronounced well but the o is but I'm currently listening to this stuff with a headphone, so maybe it is more accurate, I don't know.

The AMS video is kind of boring, I never liked their videos. I also hate that very boring and neutral voice of Volker Wolf,  horrible. The driver also seems to be very enthusiastic about the 4.0 but in a german kind of, very self-controlled, way. 

I like the GRIP videos much more but they are sometimes more of a clown show than real testing, which kind of makes the whole video questionable.

I really miss a very technical review, without any music or narrator, just the car and the driver and the original sound.

Well..I can't have it all...I guess. 

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RC:

The AMS video is kind of boring, I never liked their videos. I also hate that very boring and neutral voice of Volker Wolf,  horrible. The driver also seems to be very enthusiastic about the 4.0 but in a german kind of, very self-controlled, way. 

I like the GRIP videos much more but they are sometimes more of a clown show than real testing, which kind of makes the whole video questionable.

I really miss a very technical review, without any music or narrator, just the car and the driver and the original sound.

Completely agree with all three paragraphs. Found this video to be the easiest way to show the pronunciation and, whoever likes it, watch the rest of the video subsequently.