Thanks a lot for the images Gnil! Actually exactly specced like my car that will arrive end of March .
On Order: 991 C2S Basalt Black/Black - PDK, PSE, SPASM, SportChrono, etc.
Sold: 997.2 C2S Meteor Grey/Black - PDK, PSE, LSD, SportChrono, etc.
Sold: 997.1 C2S Black/Black - PSE, PCCB, -20mm/LSD, Short-shifter, SportChrono, etc.
Feb 14, 2012 6:33:38 PM
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Patrick Long on the New 911 - Special Report...
Feb 14, 2012 9:39:41 PM
Our weight measurements have gotten some attention around Stuttgart, so I received this breakdown of options weight that goes some way (but not all the way) in explaining the difference between the claimed 1415kg DIN and the 1530kg we measured with the first car we tested. These are figures communicated through the PR department:
PASM & PDCC: approx 24 kg
Sunroof: approx 15 kg
18-way sport seats: approx 10 kg (for the pair, delta vs the standard 4-way seats, does not sound like much)
Soundpaket BOSE: approx 4 kg
Sport-Design wheels: approx 4 kg
Seat ventilation: approx 3 kg
Extinguisher: approx 3 kg (which our car(s) were not equipped with)
Another 4.5kg go in the fact that the DIN norm specifies a 90% tank while we measure with a full tank, so that's 6.4L of excess (unleaded) liquid at 0.7 density. They did not mention PSE so I am not sure whether any weight addition results from it, neither PCM.
997 GT3 - 550M - 355 GTS F1 - Prius - Audi S5 Sportback
Feb 14, 2012 10:15:50 PM
zeshark:
Our weight measurements have gotten some attention around Stuttgart, so I received this breakdown of options weight that goes some way (but not all the way) in explaining the difference between the claimed 1415kg DIN and the 1530kg we measured with the first car we tested. These are figures communicated through the PR department:
PASM & PDCC: approx 24 kg
Sunroof: approx 15 kg
18-way sport seats: approx 10 kg (for the pair, delta vs the standard 4-way seats, does not sound like much)
Soundpaket BOSE: approx 4 kg
Sport-Design wheels: approx 4 kg
Seat ventilation: approx 3 kg
Extinguisher: approx 3 kg (which our car(s) were not equipped with)Another 4.5kg go in the fact that the DIN norm specifies a 90% tank while we measure with a full tank, so that's 6.4L of excess (unleaded) liquid at 0.7 density. They did not mention PSE so I am not sure whether any weight addition results from it, neither PCM.
excess body weight of all too many North Americans - 20kg plus
2010 997.2 turbo cab 6 speed / 08 Cayenne GTS Manual - 08 RS 60 sold -04 C4S sold - 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold
zeshark:
Our weight measurements have gotten some attention around Stuttgart, so I received this breakdown of options weight that goes some way (but not all the way) in explaining the difference between the claimed 1415kg DIN and the 1530kg we measured with the first car we tested. These are figures communicated through the PR department:
PASM & PDCC: approx 24 kg
Sunroof: approx 15 kg
18-way sport seats: approx 10 kg (for the pair, delta vs the standard 4-way seats, does not sound like much)
Soundpaket BOSE: approx 4 kg
Sport-Design wheels: approx 4 kg
Seat ventilation: approx 3 kg
Extinguisher: approx 3 kg (which our car(s) were not equipped with)Another 4.5kg go in the fact that the DIN norm specifies a 90% tank while we measure with a full tank, so that's 6.4L of excess (unleaded) liquid at 0.7 density. They did not mention PSE so I am not sure whether any weight addition results from it, neither PCM.
Very interesting as it is rare to have these exact weights. But it still does not cover all the extra weight you have measured .
997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm
Feb 15, 2012 7:46:41 AM
Alex18_996CC:
Great pics guys !!!!! I cant wait !!!!
Will the front lip extension for -20mm suspension option, could be available as retrofit ??? (just the black plastic front lip extension)...it looks GREAT !!!!!!!!!!!!!
I am sure you can buy it separately, but ... this front lip is linked with the back spoiler , meaning the back wing raises more when you have this setting .
997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm
zeshark:
PASM & PDCC: approx 24 kg
Sunroof: approx 15 kg
18-way sport seats: approx 10 kg (for the pair, delta vs the standard 4-way seats, does not sound like much)
Soundpaket BOSE: approx 4 kg
Sport-Design wheels: approx 4 kg
Seat ventilation: approx 3 kg
Extinguisher: approx 3 kg (which our car(s) were not equipped with)
As PASM is standard on the S, does it mean that PDCC adds 24kgs. Am interested in the actual additional weight of PDCC.
Surprised the sunroof weighs so much .. wonder what the weight is for the 997 sunroof. Also surprised BOSE only adds 4kgs of weight.
As Carerra S wheels are standard, does it mean that the Sport Design wheels are 1kg heavier each?
sfo:
Surprised the sunroof weighs so much .. wonder what the weight is for the 997 sunroof. Also surprised BOSE only adds 4kgs of weight.
Should be a bit less, since 997 sunroof is considerably smaller, no?
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Rossi:
sfo:
Surprised the sunroof weighs so much .. wonder what the weight is for the 997 sunroof. Also surprised BOSE only adds 4kgs of weight.
Should be a bit less, since 997 sunroof is considerably smaller, no?
And 997 sunroof is not a big chunk of glass, which is heavy.
2011 Range Rover Sport S/C, 2009 Porsche 911S
Gnil:
Here is a nice black specimen that is sitting on my dealer's floor.
-20 mm, basalt black + black wheel.
The best combo I have seen so far .
Beautiful! It looks like solid black from this photos - I wish basalt always looked that 'jet black'.
Funny you should mention it - I thought this specimen looked more pure black rather than Basalt..?
My previous car was Basalt and it never looked like this... May be something to do with the dealer's showroom lighting.?
"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."
I also thought it was pure black when I got into the show room, but I checked , it is Basalt.
So either it is the lights of the show room, or basalt is now blacker then before ? If I get the chance I'll go to compare it to another basalt
997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm
sfo:
zeshark:
PASM & PDCC: approx 24 kg
Sunroof: approx 15 kg
18-way sport seats: approx 10 kg (for the pair, delta vs the standard 4-way seats, does not sound like much)
Soundpaket BOSE: approx 4 kg
Sport-Design wheels: approx 4 kg
Seat ventilation: approx 3 kg
Extinguisher: approx 3 kg (which our car(s) were not equipped with)
As PASM is standard on the S, does it mean that PDCC adds 24kgs. Am interested in the actual additional weight of PDCC.
Surprised the sunroof weighs so much .. wonder what the weight is for the 997 sunroof. Also surprised BOSE only adds 4kgs of weight.
As Carerra S wheels are standard, does it mean that the Sport Design wheels are 1kg heavier each?
Yes, according to Porsche, Sport Design 1kg heavier. Which does not help solve our weight equation because the car we measured had the standard Carrera S wheels.
24kg sounds like a lot to me for PDCC, so the info could be misleading. If you look under the skirts, there are pretty sizable actuators plus hydraulic lines that run all the length of the car. But hard to imagine that these would weigh 12kg a piece, including the lines, unless PDCC also adds an additional hydraulic pump. Slightly unrelated, but Porsche also told me that PDCC could not have shared its hydraulic circuit with a steering pump - had it been hydraulic - because of different pressure and volumes required.
About the sunroof, bear in mind that there could be reinforcement to ensure that the config passes NHTSA crash/roll tests in the US, Schaetzle mentionned to me that they had had to make some smart design choices to ensure that cars with or without sunroof pass safety regulations.
997 GT3 - 550M - 355 GTS F1 - Prius - Audi S5 Sportback
zeshark:
24kg sounds like a lot to me for PDCC, so the info could be misleading. If you look under the skirts, there are pretty sizable actuators plus hydraulic lines that run all the length of the car. But hard to imagine that these would weigh 12kg a piece, including the lines, unless PDCC also adds an additional hydraulic pump. Slightly unrelated, but Porsche also told me that PDCC could not have shared its hydraulic circuit with a steering pump - had it been hydraulic - because of different pressure and volumes required.
About the sunroof, bear in mind that there could be reinforcement to ensure that the config passes NHTSA crash/roll tests in the US, Schaetzle mentionned to me that they had had to make some smart design choices to ensure that cars with or without sunroof pass safety regulations.
Are there no PDCC actuators on the rear axle? If so, it would be much less than 12kgs each. PDCC does need a pump to operate, doesn't it?
zeshark:
Our weight measurements have gotten some attention around Stuttgart, so I received this breakdown of options weight that goes some way (but not all the way) in explaining the difference between the claimed 1415kg DIN and the 1530kg we measured with the first car we tested. These are figures communicated through the PR department:
PASM & PDCC: approx 24 kg
Sunroof: approx 15 kg
18-way sport seats: approx 10 kg (for the pair, delta vs the standard 4-way seats, does not sound like much)
Soundpaket BOSE: approx 4 kg
Sport-Design wheels: approx 4 kg
Seat ventilation: approx 3 kg
Extinguisher: approx 3 kg (which our car(s) were not equipped with)Another 4.5kg go in the fact that the DIN norm specifies a 90% tank while we measure with a full tank, so that's 6.4L of excess (unleaded) liquid at 0.7 density. They did not mention PSE so I am not sure whether any weight addition results from it, neither PCM.
Interesting info... Quite weird though if the PDCC adds up a lot of extra weight. This would add to the unsprung weight as the opposite to PCCB which is lighter... You for sure don't want to add extra unsprung weight if not necessary
On Order: 991 C2S Basalt Black/Black - PDK, PSE, SPASM, SportChrono, etc.
Sold: 997.2 C2S Meteor Grey/Black - PDK, PSE, LSD, SportChrono, etc.
Sold: 997.1 C2S Black/Black - PSE, PCCB, -20mm/LSD, Short-shifter, SportChrono, etc.
sfo:
zeshark:
24kg sounds like a lot to me for PDCC, so the info could be misleading. If you look under the skirts, there are pretty sizable actuators plus hydraulic lines that run all the length of the car. But hard to imagine that these would weigh 12kg a piece, including the lines, unless PDCC also adds an additional hydraulic pump. Slightly unrelated, but Porsche also told me that PDCC could not have shared its hydraulic circuit with a steering pump - had it been hydraulic - because of different pressure and volumes required.
About the sunroof, bear in mind that there could be reinforcement to ensure that the config passes NHTSA crash/roll tests in the US, Schaetzle mentionned to me that they had had to make some smart design choices to ensure that cars with or without sunroof pass safety regulations.
Are there no PDCC actuators on the rear axle? If so, it would be much less than 12kgs each. PDCC does need a pump to operate, doesn't it?
No, you are correct, this video shows actuators at the back too. Regarding hydraulics, I am not sure where the pressure would come from if there was no pump.
997 GT3 - 550M - 355 GTS F1 - Prius - Audi S5 Sportback
Lukas:
zeshark:
Our weight measurements have gotten some attention around Stuttgart, so I received this breakdown of options weight that goes some way (but not all the way) in explaining the difference between the claimed 1415kg DIN and the 1530kg we measured with the first car we tested. These are figures communicated through the PR department:
PASM & PDCC: approx 24 kg
Sunroof: approx 15 kg
18-way sport seats: approx 10 kg (for the pair, delta vs the standard 4-way seats, does not sound like much)
Soundpaket BOSE: approx 4 kg
Sport-Design wheels: approx 4 kg
Seat ventilation: approx 3 kg
Extinguisher: approx 3 kg (which our car(s) were not equipped with)Another 4.5kg go in the fact that the DIN norm specifies a 90% tank while we measure with a full tank, so that's 6.4L of excess (unleaded) liquid at 0.7 density. They did not mention PSE so I am not sure whether any weight addition results from it, neither PCM.
Interesting info... Quite weird though if the PDCC adds up a lot of extra weight. This would add to the unsprung weight as the opposite to PCCB which is lighter... You for sure don't want to add extra unsprung weight if not necessary
I agree, I guess the only explanation is that the benefits outstrip the drawbacks. Unsprung weight maybe also "over-rated" in terms of the real impact it has on performance within the context of such cars. For instance, I asked Schaetzle specifically about Ring times and PCCB, and he told me that PCCB vs steel brakes does not make any measurable difference (see Q&A).
997 GT3 - 550M - 355 GTS F1 - Prius - Audi S5 Sportback
Nice in white with black wheels
On Order: 991 C2S Basalt Black/Black - PDK, PSE, SPASM, SportChrono, etc.
Sold: 997.2 C2S Meteor Grey/Black - PDK, PSE, LSD, SportChrono, etc.
Sold: 997.1 C2S Black/Black - PSE, PCCB, -20mm/LSD, Short-shifter, SportChrono, etc.