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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    boytronic:
    reginos:

    I agree that the rear spoiler ,especially its continuation into the rear light units, is an unnecessary styling element which IMO cheapens the overall design. Its nearer to the Korean design school. However, overall the 981 is a very attractive car and if I wanted a 2-seater roadster with superb handling, I wouldn't be put off by this styling anomaly.  I would just avoid looking at it from the rear angle as much


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    "Form follows function"

     Read a copy of Porsche Post - the engineer says it is definitely form over function which has improved aerodynamics.

    Yeah, that's what they always claim. Can you imagine a company person, even an engineer, saying that a given design element is bad for performance, but "we went with it for styling reasons"?

     


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    since the new Boxster's rear spoiler is a homage to this, the same style tailpipes layout would have been nice also.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Exactly! And the same rear treatment in general, like the dreadful spoiler on the Boxster was better to look as above.


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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Porsche Cayman (2013) - the new Cayman Mk2...

    (26 January 2012)

    Porsche is beavering away on the replacement for its Cayman coupe, aka the tin-top Boxster. CAR understands that the new 2013 Cayman will be shown at the Los Angeles auto show in autumn 2012.
     
    Sales in Europe will kick off in spring 2013 - a year after the new 981-spec Boxster, which goes on sale in the UK in April 2012.
     
    What's new on the 2013 Porsche Cayman?
     
    This is an all-new car, again based heavily on the 2012 Boxster unveiled earlier this month. As our artist's impression shows, the new 2013 Cayman is essentially a coupe version of the Boxster and we expect the same stylistic treatment to keep the duo identifiably as a family duo.
     
    Handily, that also keeps the production costs down. The new Cayman and Boxster will both be built in Stuttgart, after Porsche ended its contract for Valmet to build them in Finland. There aren't many more build slots for the existing Cayman left, apparently.
     
    Engines, tech changes on the 2013 Cayman
     
    The 1996 Boxster cleverly recycled much of its hardware from the 996, enabling Porsche to engineer and manufacture it more efficiently and bring it to market for around two-thirds the cost of the 911. This neatly explains why the new Boxster arrives so soon after the new 991 - the two are again closely related and both roll out of the same factory at Zuffenhausen.
     
    So the Cayman - and Boxster and new 911 - boast a roster of new engines which sup up to 15% less fuel and despite a growth spurt the Cayman is expected to be 'considerably' lighter model for model thanks to an aluminium-intensive construction. We expect it to follow the Boxster's footprint, which means a wheelbase stretched lengthways by around 125mm and widthways with a 50mm wider track.
     
    There are no radical shocks in store under the mid-mounted bonnet. Both engines at launch are flat sixes fueled by direct injection: the Cayman's shrinks back to 2.7 yet still kicks out 261bhp. The Cayman S will stick with a 3.4-litre capacity but ups the power by five horsepower to 311bhp. Both engines come as standard with the seven-speed manual cogfest you'll find in the 911.
     
    The new Cayman: more economical
     
    Porsche now spends as much effort on cutting consumption as carving corners, so the new Cayman will be equipped with a raft of fuel-saving technology. The engines will cut out at traffic lights and automatically restart; there's a clever thermal management system to heat and cool the engine and transmission efficiently; power steering is now electro-mechanical; and the seven-speed twin-clutch PDK gearbox is long-legged enough to promise around 37mpg on the Cayman. Yes, the days of travelling forty miles on gallon in a sporty Porsche are not far away.
     
    But it's not all about low CO2 and Greenpeace hugs. The Cayman is likely to match its soft-top brethren with a 0-62mph time of 5.0sec, its little brother just seven-tenths behind. Cunningly, still just a bit slower than a 911, see?
     
    Fansite forums had earlier been abuzz with rumours that the Cayman wouldn't be replaced; it is comfortably the slowest selling Porsche in the current line-up - despite its critical excellence.
     
    Despite being the cheapest model in Porsche's line-up, Brits buy around 1000 Boxsters a year but Porsche GB expects that to swell by around 50% this year when the new model arrives.

    Porsche Cayman (2013) - the new Cayman Mk2 - Car magazine link

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    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    "Both engines come as standard with the seven-speed manual cogfest you'll find in the 911."

    We already know that's not the case for the Boxster.

     


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    With such a measly power hike on the 981 it is not worth the ££ to upgrade from the current car. I suspect the same will apply to the next Cayman when it finally emerges.

    Not a problem for me as with retirement not that many years away I can no longer justify throwing large sums of money at sports cars. When I eventually part with the Cayman it will probably be for the latest BMW 3 series.


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    Porsche Cayman S PDK Aqua Blue / Ocean Blue  (November 10) : Toyota Yaris D4D (Oct 10) 


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    dreamcar:

    With such a measly power hike on the 981 it is not worth the ££ to upgrade from the current car. I suspect the same will apply to the next Cayman when it finally emerges.

     

    the handling should blow away the old Boxster - the increase is not much, but i bet the feel of the new engine will be a lot more noticeable then what it appears on paper.


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    2010 997.2 turbo cab 6 speed / 08 Cayenne GTS Manual -04 C4S sold 08 Cayenne Turbo PDCC sold


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    new pic outside the factory

     

    981s.jpg 


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Sure, the car will drive and feel different and this will certainly matter to someone buying the car.

    But, I agree with dreamcar from the perspective of an existing Boxster S owner who asks the question: is it really worth upgrading?

    On paper, it's hard for an existing Boxster S owner to see the tiny power increase and feel excited about it. I would feel the same way.

    My 997.1 C2S has 355PS. The 997.2 C2S had 385PS. The new 991 C2S has 400PS. The differences are larger and I still don't feel tempted either.

    If I upgraded, I would want something with at least 450PS (and better still, nearer 500PS) or I just wouldn't bother.


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    997.1 C2S
     GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen pickup, BMW Z4 2.5i Roadster Sterling Grey/Red


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    That's what Porsche do, with founded intention not to piss off the folks with ''older'' models and keep the second hand market healthy. That's the way to actually attract more people to the brand as they would know their car wouldn't be obsolete in few years time. Buying a Porsche is actually very clever ''investment'', figuratively speaking...Smiley


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    It's a matter of priorities really. In an ideal world (in terms of money blush) the latest Porsche is always the best. There are so many improvements even if the power hike might be small.

    Personally, I wouldn't change my 997.2 PDK because I find it very ideal. It looks like it could last forever and performance is superb.  If I can afford to spend on cars in the near future, I'd prefer to buy an additional car to supplement the 911 rather than move to the new model


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    "Form follows function"


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Thanks for the factory pic.  The new spoiler does not look as good with the top up, and I wish Porsche could find a solution to making the Boxster top flow a bit better into the rear deck.  Otherwise, car is terrific, and I look forward to handling/performance reviews...


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    At least in the US a  981 Boxster S hits $80K w/o loading up on options.   IMHO 315HP is not enough to justify the price, no matter how good the handling.  A comparable CPO 987 S can be had for half the cost and a 997.2 C2S Cab can be had for equivalent money, at least in the near term.


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    "Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    DaveC:

    At least in the US a  981 Boxster S hits $80K w/o loading up on options.   IMHO 315HP is not enough to justify the price, no matter how good the handling.  A comparable CPO 987 S can be had for half the cost and a 997.2 C2S Cab can be had for equivalent money, at least in the near term.

    Not sure about most people, but I would definitely consider $19k worth of options to be "loading up".  That 30% of the cost of the car.


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Boxster S $60,900 Exterior Colors Platinum Silver Metallic 1H $710    Convertible Top in Black 4V $0 Interior Colors Leather interior in Black AZ $2,385   Exterior Bi-Xenon(TM) headlights with Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS) 603 $690   Performance Sport Chrono Package 639 $2,370    Porsche Active Suspension Management (PASM) 475 $1,790   Porsche Doppelkupplung (PDK) 250 $3,200 Wheels 20-inch Carrera Classic wheel 427 $2,730 Interior Sports seats Plus (2-way, electric) P04 $440 Interior Leather Porsche crest embossed on head restraints XSC $285 SportDesign steering wheel 840 $490 Destination Charge: Destination Charge: $950 Total Price* $76,940 
     

    With sales tax in Florida this car is $80K.  I don't think this is an overly optioned car.  Others, such as yourself, may of course feel differently. 


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    "Don't worry about avoiding temptation, as you grow older it will avoid you"  Churchill


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    I didn't realize you were including Sales Tax - yes, that makes a big difference.  You also may want to consider whether you want to spend nearly $3k on the 20" wheels, since that's $3k more than the standard 19's which are expensive in their own right.


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    easy_rider911:

    Sure, the car will drive and feel different and this will certainly matter to someone buying the car.

    But, I agree with dreamcar from the perspective of an existing Boxster S owner who asks the question: is it really worth upgrading?

    On paper, it's hard for an existing Boxster S owner to see the tiny power increase and feel excited about it. I would feel the same way.

    My 997.1 C2S has 355PS. The 997.2 C2S had 385PS. The new 991 C2S has 400PS. The differences are larger and I still don't feel tempted either.

    If I upgraded, I would want something with at least 450PS (and better still, nearer 500PS) or I just wouldn't bother.

    And where does it end? The facelift would have to have 475bhp+? the next generation 550bhp+ Should the GT3 then have 600bhp? The turbo 700? In a decade from now that would mean that the turbo should have 1,200 bhp?!?

    My dad had a 1968 911S which was 160 bhp. Growing up we had 911SC's in the early 80's with 200 bhp (40 bhp increase in about 15 years) and Carreras (207 bhp a 7 bhp bump from the SC) in the late eighties. even the 964 in the mid 90's only had 250 bhp! 993 and 996 turbos only had 400-420bhp.

    The fact that you are getting a normal 991 with the power and speed of a not that old turbo is insane! The 991S doesn't need 450bhp. Porsche has always made a car faster than the horsepower would suggest.


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    Past-President, Porsche Club of America - Upper Canada Region

    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    I know the HP inflation curve is indefensible. I know it's hard to defend what I desire but I can't help wanting a proper uplift in power if I'm going to spend the money on a new car (and, if I sell my current car, lose a ton of money in depreciation).

    I'm thinking of getting a 991.2 GT3 while keeping my 997.1 C2S ...  that's why I would be looking for a really different experience and not just a small refinement of what I already have. 


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    997.1 C2S
     GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen pickup, BMW Z4 2.5i Roadster Sterling Grey/Red


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Some more live footage/video of the 981

     

     


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    On Order: 991 C2S Basalt Black/Black - PDK, PSE, SPASM, SportChrono, etc.
    Sold: 997.2 C2S Meteor Grey/Black - PDK, PSE, LSD, SportChrono, etc.
    Sold: 997.1 C2S Black/Black - PSE, PCCB, -20mm/LSD, Short-shifter, SportChrono, etc.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    The rear spoiler looks good from the back, looking straight down at it. Less so when you're looking at it from the side...

     


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    what's revealing is that peak torque of 360NM (no increase on 987S Gen II) for the 981S is from 4500rpm to 5800rpm.

    This should make the 981 more urgent and willing at high revs.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    sfo:

    what's revealing is that peak torque of 360NM (no increase on 987S Gen II) for the 981S is from 4500rpm to 5800rpm.

    This should make the 981 more urgent and willing at high revs.

    I have my doubts about that, since the 3.4L motor is fundamentally the same as the one used in the base 991 Carrera and that one makes 10% more power at 7,400rpm (instead of the Boxster S's 6,700).  I figured they detuned it by 35hp by making sure it didn't make good power at high revs (hence the much lower power peak rpm).


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Porsche says the S will reach 62 mph in 5.0 seconds (so 0-60 in less than 5.0).  That's pretty darn quick.  My Cayenne Turbo S does it in 4.7, and it has 550 hp.  Just for comparison, what were the figures on the last model Boxster S?


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Wonderbar:

    Porsche says the S will reach 62 mph in 5.0 seconds (so 0-60 in less than 5.0).  That's pretty darn quick.  My Cayenne Turbo S does it in 4.7, and it has 550 hp.  Just for comparison, what were the figures on the last model Boxster S?

    0.2 secs faster to 62mph with manual and PDK gearboxes, including launch control.

    987S Man: 5.3 secs; 987S PDK: 5.2 secs; 987S PDK LC: 5.0 secs

    981S Man: 5.1 secs; 981S PDK: 5.0 secs; 987S PDK LC: 4.8 secs

     


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Typo? Shouldn't the 4.8 secs figure be for the 981S PDK LC ?


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    997.1 C2S
     GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen pickup, BMW Z4 2.5i Roadster Sterling Grey/Red


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    easy_rider911:

    Typo? Shouldn't the 4.8 secs figure be for the 981S PDK LC ?

    yes, typo!


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    First renderings I've made in a while, but here's my take based off some of the latest spy shots.


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    Nice job!


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    73 Carrera RS 2.7 Carbon Fiber replica (1,890 lbs).  Former: 73 911S, Two 951S's, 996 C2, 993 C2, 98 Ferrari 550 Maranello


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    I'm drooling...

    Somehow the rear spoiler slash in the tail lights looks better on the Cayman...

    Fine work, Carrara


    Re: OFFICIAL : Porsche Boxster 981

    VERY nice !!  I MUCH prefer this to the new Carrera...................

     

    P.S.  I doubt that there will be a horizontal cut line above and aft of the side intakes.  It appears necessary for the Boxster but  NOT for the Cayman owing to the fixed roof..................


     
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