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    Oct 25, 2011 12:34:34 AM

    Conny997
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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    I think the C 63 is a DD and a fun car as well. Probably one has to accept beyond of the AWD discussion that this kind of car is made for power slides and the art of unstable driving. But I can imagine very well y'll have a lot of fun anyway.
    I wonder how the car will behave under wet conditions but I think the missing point is the rain.
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    Oct 25, 2011 9:26:11 AM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    on wet roads it would be ridiculous i guess.....as already on dry road it tangos.....


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    Oct 25, 2011 1:49:41 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    Just imagine...a C63 with SLS engine, AWD and the same weight. Booyah... indecision


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    Oct 25, 2011 3:44:52 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    RC:

    Just imagine...a C63 with SLS engine, AWD and the same weight. Booyah... indecision

     

    Just wait for the black series.... unfortunately the AWD will stay a dream!

    Oct 26, 2011 5:21:20 AM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    Lars997:
    RC:

    Just imagine...a C63 with SLS engine, AWD and the same weight. Booyah... indecision

     

    Just wait for the black series.... unfortunately the AWD will stay a dream!

     Fortunately you mean Smiley nothing like RWD for pure driving pleasure Smiley

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    Oct 26, 2011 7:06:53 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    Lars997:
    RC:

    Just imagine...a C63 with SLS engine, AWD and the same weight. Booyah... indecision

    Just wait for the black series.... unfortunately the AWD will stay a dream!

     1.650 kg, HP 500+, AWD ?


    We call it "Porsche Turbo S"
    Smiley


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    Oct 26, 2011 10:38:54 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    What is it with Germans and AWD? yes


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    Oct 27, 2011 10:05:55 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    J.Seven:
    Lars997:
    RC:

    Just imagine...a C63 with SLS engine, AWD and the same weight. Booyah... indecision

     

    Just wait for the black series.... unfortunately the AWD will stay a dream!

     Fortunately you mean Smiley nothing like RWD for pure driving pleasure Smiley

    J.Seven

     

    Actually you are right. I'm myself not a AWD fan at all. AWD is made for SUVs and thats it! 

    Oct 28, 2011 7:48:09 AM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    REALZEUS:

    What is it with Germans and AWD? yes

    I'm not German  and not even Swiss (I live in CH), but if you spend your weekends driving in the alps in winter time AWD is a must.


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    Oct 28, 2011 8:17:12 AM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    AWD would really complete the car. it is a DD and not a sports car so AWD would only have advantages.

    as said before wider tires would be a good start. 255 is just not enough....


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    Oct 28, 2011 8:35:03 AM

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    I can understand why AWD would be seen as an advantage in snow-bound regions of Switzerland or Germany, but why on earth would you need it in Egypt?  Driftsand?  Smiley

    Oct 28, 2011 5:40:20 PM

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    PureBlue:

    I can understand why AWD would be seen as an advantage in snow-bound regions of Switzerland or Germany, but why on earth would you need it in Egypt?  Driftsand?  Smiley

    simply for the reaso that the car has too little grip in its current state with the PP.


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    Oct 28, 2011 8:06:29 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    Dusty roads, less than perfect traction?

    Oct 28, 2011 8:20:43 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    even on clean dry roads....


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    Oct 29, 2011 5:40:52 AM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    do u have ESP (Sport) on all the time in the dry?

     

    i am not brave enough to hv TC totally OFF in the wets... tried it once... never again LOL!!


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    Oct 29, 2011 8:13:51 AM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    yup, i am on sport as soon as the oil is warm....


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    Oct 29, 2011 11:14:31 AM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    intouch1:

    yup, i am on sport as soon as the oil is warm....

    Just one question:

    with "sport" you mean "ESP off" and the display shows "Sport handling mode", right?
    So far as I can see the drive select button "C,S,S+,M" ins't influencing the ESP status.
    THX in advance. Just now I've a C63 PP+ for a testdrive over the weekend. I will report my impressions soon....Smiley


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    Oct 29, 2011 6:18:08 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    sport  the transmission into a more aggressive mode and makes ESP a little less sensitive.

    sport plus allows the car to step out  even more.

    to switch off ESP you will have to push the ESP button for a few seconds.

    M mode allows for manual shifting only. no auto up-or downshifts and no kickdown function available.

    looking forward to your impressions....i love the car and enjoy every second of driving it.


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    Oct 30, 2011 1:06:25 AM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    intouch1:


    sport  the transmission into a more aggressive mode and makes ESP a little less sensitive.



    sport plus allows the car to step out  even more.



    to switch off ESP you will have to push the ESP button for a few seconds.



    M mode allows for manual shifting only. no auto up-or downshifts and no kickdown function available.



    looking forward to your impressions....i love the car and enjoy every second of driving it.





    Thanks. This seems to be a very valuable reference. It isn't  documented in the manual nowhere though, not even in the manual for the SLS. Nothing about an influence of the driving program selector on the ESP is described there.
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    Oct 30, 2011 5:39:38 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    conny, i looked through the manual as well.....and as you noticed, it's not referenced.

    maybe i was just imagining it.....i have not fully stepped on it. but i felt the rear to feel looser in s mode....but maybe it's actually to do with the car starting in 1st gear in s vs 2nd gear in c mode.

    will get back once i have had a chance to really try it....

    it would be easier to notice on wet roads...so will await your input as well.


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    Oct 30, 2011 5:41:25 PM

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    and i have not driven my sls in like 2 months.....climate here is not the best for such cars at the moment....


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    Oct 30, 2011 5:52:05 PM

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    guess my butt was right....

     

    found this:

     

    Braking & Traction. Click to collapse.
    4-Wheel Anti-Lock Brakes
    Hill Start Control
    AMG Front Power 361-mm X 36-mm Ventilated Disc and Rear Power 330-mm X 26-mm Ventilated Disc Brakes
    Electronic Brake Force Distribution
    Anti-Slip Regulation (ASR) Traction Control
    Pre-Charging Brake Optimization System
    Brake Assist System (BAS) Brake Assistance
    AMG 3-Stage Electronic Stability Program (ESP(R)) Vehicle Stability Control System
    Brake Drying
     


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    Oct 31, 2011 3:39:54 PM

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    intouch1:

    guess my butt was right....

     

    found this:

     

    Braking & Traction. Click to collapse.
    4-Wheel Anti-Lock Brakes
    Hill Start Control
    AMG Front Power 361-mm X 36-mm Ventilated Disc and Rear Power 330-mm X 26-mm Ventilated Disc Brakes
    Electronic Brake Force Distribution
    Anti-Slip Regulation (ASR) Traction Control
    Pre-Charging Brake Optimization System
    Brake Assist System (BAS) Brake Assistance
    AMG 3-Stage Electronic Stability Program (ESP(R)) Vehicle Stability Control System
    Brake Drying
     

    Now the ESP thing seems to be disclosed for me:
    The C63 has a 3-stage ESP, (On-Sport handling-Off) which is not affected by the programselector.
    The selector in position S and S +, influences the transmission up- and downshift and the spontaneity of the throttle response.
    As you mentioned before, in S or S+ the C 63 behaves more sporty and combined with the LSD the wheels spinning even with ESP ON. Very much fun though!

    Bildschirmfoto 2011-10-30 um 21.43.16.png

     


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    Oct 31, 2011 5:11:22 PM

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    Re: C63 AMG arrived

    yup...that's the way it is. actually first time i checked it today. pushing esp button swithches it into sport or off if you hold it longer...


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