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Re: Short Driving Report McLaren MP4-12C
Just noticed that my attachment looks a bit small so here is the text from each of the posters above-
"Its unfortunately a bit more than software issues. My car is currently back with McLaren with a tech from the factory looking at the numerous non-software issues, and my business partners car was collected today, along with the software faults that all cars have, his has gone back for all hardware related faults/failures and paint defects.
Whilst the car is superb to drive and be in as a driving experience, the customer satisfaction experience still leaves room for improvement, which to be fair McLaren are working on. However, with the issues our two cars have (numerous stupid software faults aside, two of which keep putting my car in limp mode) have I do sometimes wonder what their test engineers were doing for 5+ years. "
" "Have you got rid of your mclaren?" "It's being collected tomorrow. I did try to live with it for another week or two after I posted that I was going to sell it but the problems just got worse and more frequent. On Saturday, at different times, I was told by the computer I had 4 punctures, the airbags weren't working, the air brake wasn't working, the air brake then got stuck, and the car told me that the passenger seat belt was not fastened even though no passenger was in the car.
Provided they get rid of the car quickly and I'm not out of pocket, I am prepared to give Mclaren and the dealer another chance at a later date, but I get a very strong sense from the people I talk to there, that whilst they hope to have some fixes in the next 2-3 weeks, they are a LONG way from fixes for all of this stuff and the fact that production has now stopped highlights just how far away they are."
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Wow, this sounds really really bad. I hope McLaren can sort out the initial "quirks" but they shouldn't happen on such an expensive car, no way.
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The unfortunate catalogue of problems seem to continue for Mclaren. This "customer" car was crashed whilst out on a post production test run near the factory. According to a post on Mclarenlife the test driver applied too much power coming off a roundabout and lost control. It sems the car was destined for a German customer who has also posted this comment on that site -
delf s "F**k it was my car. I'm from Hamburg and I couldn't believe that this crashed car was mine, but today morning I got the confirmation from McLaren."
Shish Man "wow sorry to hear about that i hope they get you another as soon as possible."
delfs "No, I think it will be spring next year. I'm now negotiating with them"
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delfs "No, I think it will be spring next year. I'm now negotiating with them"
He'd better take the opportunity and cancel. There are so many fast cars around why bother with a lemon.
Quality is the number one criterium when you pay serious money for a car, not 1/10th of a second here or there (if this exists at all).
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Oct 7, 2011 7:17:20 PM
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On hind sight, it's the best thing that could have happened to him. I know he would like the car now, but after a couple of weeks he would be regreting it already, this way he gets out of taking the car now and gets a good deal for a later delivery which by then, hopefully, will get a better quality car. i'd rather take no cr and delay the ownership experience than having to deal with electrical gremlins every other day and other quality issues, I have no patience for that. Besides, and how close is the nearest Mclaren repair shop to Hamburg? cause he would be having to go there quite frecuently...
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Oct 7, 2011 7:34:36 PM
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Carlos from Spain:
how close is the nearest Mclaren repair shop to Hamburg? cause he would be having to go there quite frecuently...
http://www.hamburg.mclaren.com/
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I drove my 430 coupe for 7500 miles without a problem. I drove my 430 Spider for 15,000 miles and only had one minor problem which was fixed within a day.
I had one of the first Cayenne's in San Diego and sadly it was in the shop often. After 80,000 miles I gave up on it.
The MP12 suffers from the race to product launch. The investors want returns NOW. That does not work with a complicated machine like a high performance sport car.
What is interesting is that the GT-R though saddled with many problems manages to avoid serious repercussions from the public. It still is in high demand. I speculate having a large established automobile company behind it makes a huge difference. Also, its price.
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Enmanuel:
. But for the price level of the McL and the class it's attempting to take over, there are no safeguards, expectations are extremely high and margin for error is extremely low.
High price and high expectations but hit and miss reliability, inconsistent performance and high margin of error.
Very much like Lewis Hamilton, another product of Ron Dennis.
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That was really funny! 
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Enmanuel:
The GTR doesn't take such a blow to it's reputation because at the end of the day it costs a lot less than the cars that have the same performance level, so Nissan will always have that safeguard the moment something goes wrong. But for the price level of the McL and the class it's attempting to take over, there are no safeguards, expectations are extremely high and margin for error is extremely low.
Hope Mclaren can sort out the bugs. We have a deposit on one. Speaking of which, my GTR, my daily driver, just hit 36,000 mi without a single issue.
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intouch1:
porsche's are bulletproof with great fit and finish.
You're joking right?
All the issues with RMS/IMS they continue to deny on 996/997 and Boxster!
My 996GT2 had a new gearbox at 10,000 miles under warranty. My friends 996 GT3RS engine blew after 2 months and less than 2,000 miles and needed a complete rebuild under warranty.
Porsche are great, but not perfect.
My GTR did 8,000 miles including the 'ring, 190mph on the 'bahn, Silverstone GP and Snetterton tracks, not a single problem, other than one high-temp warning.
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