Sep 10, 2011 1:23:07 PM
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Sep 10, 2011 2:58:18 PM
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
davew (cincy):
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All new Porsche 911...
Great video. The fake sound got tedious pretty quickly (especially the long hood with PDK at 30 seconds), but the video clips were great! I like the color too.
Wow, the sound was annoying. What do you mean by fake sound?
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Sep 10, 2011 2:59:30 PM
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
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In this colour, especially with the silver window lining and with this interior it almost looks like a Panamera viewed from this angle.Silver window lining in a 911? Sacrilege!
Well, thanks God it's an option and you even have to pay for it! But I guess many will tick that box...
I don't think one single person would select that option.
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Sep 10, 2011 3:07:32 PM
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
With darker colours, I think the silver lining looks nice. I wouldn't pick it with lighter colours or on a GT3 though ...
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Sep 10, 2011 3:45:33 PM
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
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With darker colours, I think the silver lining looks nice. I wouldn't pick it with lighter colours or on a GT3 though ...
Too bling, if I could still use that term. Maybe something you would order on a Mercedes S Class.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
easy_rider911:
With darker colours, I think the silver lining looks nice. I wouldn't pick it with lighter colours or on a GT3 though ...
+1 I have the same taste 
Chrom is better with the dark colors and black/high gloss trim goes better with lighter colors, especially with white.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
pride355:easy_rider911:
With darker colours, I think the silver lining looks nice. I wouldn't pick it with lighter colours or on a GT3 though ...
+1 I have the same taste
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
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First, the engine has to be warmed up before one would like to permit the start/stop to begin. Cold engines are more temperamental (unpredictable?) than warm ones.
There also seems to be a small time delay after the car has stopped before the engine shuts down, called "leaving your foot on the brake pedal". This prevents a "bucking" effect if one is continuously inching along in stop-and-go traffic using a nervous brake foot.
In my experience, the engine seems to shut down when it should and not when it shouldn't. Apart from being a new experience, it seems just right to me.
We had a Mercedes C-class C220 CDI Blue Efficiency rental car during our stay in Sardinia a couple of days ago. 170 horses only but 400 Nm torque. Car felt very powerful in the 0-140 kph speed range. Now the amazing thing: Average Diesel consumption was...trara...6.5 l / 100 km. I wasn't driving slowly but not faster than 140 kph. At some point, I managed to get 5.7 l / 100 km but even then, not driving really slowly.
This car had a start-stop automatic. It worked very well, surprisingly well. I just had to be careful a single time when I wanted to fully accelerate from standstill to enter a very busy main street and it took the automatic longer than the usual fraction of a second to turn on the engine and to accelerate. Don't know why but it could have been dangerous...if a car would have approached. Otherwise, it really worked well, even in stop and go traffic. I still didn't like it and what actually was the worst part: While the engine was off, so was the A/C. Not really a clever solution in a black car in Sardinia with 33° C outside temperature (even more in the sun)...aprox. 91° F.
So while it may work well and while it may save fuel and keep the environment clean(er), I'm not sure it is ready for primetime yet. The fact that A/C didn't work while the engine was off, is really stupid.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
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So while it may work well and while it may save fuel and keep the environment clean(er), I'm not sure it is ready for primetime yet. The fact that A/C didn't work while the engine was off, is really stupid.
That's why the Porsche system is better. It has electrically driven A/C system, etc. that still operates without the engine turning so that one stays cool when one would like to be
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
I was a passenger today in a new Mercedes diesel that had the stop start function, which could be turned off by the "eco" button. While on, the car had a noticeable shudder as it came to a stop, and when it started off from the dead start position. It annoyed me and the driver, and we shut it off after a few incidents. Not a bad shudder, but certainly a noticeable and irritating one.
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
Carrara:
Well, I can see why stopstart could be dangerous. In the future when these cars today are all a bunch of clunkers that have trouble starting, what happens if you're stopped on a train track and the engine doesn't want to come on?
Usually you don't stop on an train track. In case of a congestion the track should be kept free.
Seriously:
I don't like startstop either. I always kill the function.
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Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
pjd:
Re: Michael Mauer video
What a beautiful redesign. I can't wait to see it in the flesh.
I haven't felt such excitement since the 993 days. I thought it was the effect of old(er) age; turns out it was merely lack of creativity on the part of the designers (or the top management at the time; these things flow from the top...)
Finally, to be able to buy a car and be really excited about it, versus feeling so-so about it yet spending the $$$ anyway because there is no better alternative out there.
I just hope that the steering feel is still there.
Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...
KMM:
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Re: Michael Mauer video
What a beautiful redesign. I can't wait to see it in the flesh.
I haven't felt such excitement since the 993 days. I thought it was the effect of old(er) age; turns out it was merely lack of creativity on the part of the designers (or the top management at the time; these things flow from the top...)
Finally, to be able to buy a car and be really excited about it, versus feeling so-so about it yet spending the $$$ anyway because there is no better alternative out there.
I just hope that the steering feel is still there.
I don't think it was a lack of creativity...
If you look at the 997, its obvious the design started with the chassis. Its almost as if the chassis was 100% completed, and then Porsche designed the body to fit perfectly over the chassis. Every single element of the design has purpose. There is nothing unneccesary, as opposed to nearly every other car on the road.
This gave the 997 a very striking and understated look. I absolutely loved the minimal styling.
With the 991, its almost as if Porsche knows they reached design perfection with the 997, so rather than redo the the thing, the adjusted the proportions to fit the new chassis, and then added some design flare. And I'm not trying to say its just a flared up 997, rather exactly the opposite.
Its a design that manages to capture even more emotion per square inch than the 997.
Every time I see the 991, I quietly say to myself a curse word followed by "I want that car".
No car built in a very long time has ever made me say that. The 991 is design perfection. Perfection. There's no better way to put it. Every single detail is totally necessary, there is no fluff, no frills, no random design lines. Everything there is for a reason.
I've never seen a design more perfect. I don't know how they're going to improve it with the facelift!
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