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    Aug 18, 2011 6:03:54 PM

    Ron (Houston)M
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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

     

    Now that I had some time to relax and look at the pictures, I would like to share my humble personal opinion.  In 2004/2005 when the 997.1 was introduced, I wasn’t impressed with the photos and when it came to the showrooms I went to check it out in person to do a touch and feel.  No offense to the 997.1 owners (strictly my personal impression) it didn’t capture me or made me say: I MUST have one urge.  If you recall I ordered the 4.2 R8.

    However since yesterday that Rossi posted the pictures, this burning urge inside me (like a little kid) is back.  Every time I see the pictures I keep telling myself: I MUST get me one of these.  I feel rejuvenated kind of like when the heat was on during early 996 era.

    I love the looks of the 991 the front, the back the proportion and the grace.  I love it and I’ll do my best to get one when available.  Thanks Porsche for fueling the fire in me again, well done.


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    Aug 18, 2011 6:05:28 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    dxpetrov:

     More of it...

    Just stunning!

     

     

    HERE IT LOOKS GREAT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This seems to be the right angles to shoot it!


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    Aug 18, 2011 6:25:14 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Here's one more

    1313691958572Porsche-911-991--fotoshowImage-84a21d0b-524980.jpg 


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    Aug 18, 2011 6:35:33 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

     1313692506168wow2.gif Love It!!!!

    Aug 18, 2011 6:36:53 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    BTW....the wheels are 20"


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    Aug 18, 2011 6:46:09 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Spyderidol:

     1313692506168wow2.gif Love It!!!!

     
    Me too .... at least your eyes are popping out then popping back in again ....

    My eyes have been popping out and rolling around on the floor SmileySmiley


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    Aug 18, 2011 7:01:44 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

     very sexy. It's amazing how such subtle changes can make a huge overall difference. To quote steve jobs : "The total is greater than the sum of the parts".

    Aug 18, 2011 7:07:32 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Just realized I can't figure out which one I like best - the new one or the old one. But WAY's pictorial helps me to realize I love them both. Best of all, I don't need the Singer anymore - my GTS is now officially "retro" compared to the 991 but with all the right stuff mechanically... ...and it hasn't even arrived yet!
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    Aug 18, 2011 7:09:40 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Lots of pictures here:

    http://www.sportauto-online.de/marken/news/neuer-porsche-911-carrera-991-generation-sieben-der-sportwagen-ikone-3087681.html

    My favourite:

    Porsche-911-991--fotoshowImage-a29203c9-524979.jpg


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    Aug 18, 2011 7:16:57 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

     Its looking better and better, already the first impression is much better than when I saw the first pictures of the 997.


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    Aug 18, 2011 7:21:42 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Ron (Houston):

     

    Now that I had some time to relax and look at the pictures, I would like to share my humble personal opinion.  In 2004/2005 when the 997.1 was introduced, I wasn’t impressed with the photos and when it came to the showrooms I went to check it out in person to do a touch and feel.  No offense to the 997.1 owners (strictly my personal impression) it didn’t capture me or made me say: I MUST have one urge.  If you recall I ordered the 4.2 R8.

    However since yesterday that Rossi posted the pictures, this burning urge inside me (like a little kid) is back.  Every time I see the pictures I keep telling myself: I MUST get me one of these.  I feel rejuvenated kind of like when the heat was on during early 996 era.

    I love the looks of the 991 the front, the back the proportion and the grace.  I love it and I’ll do my best to get one when available.  Thanks Porsche for fueling the fire in me again, well done.


    Exactly my feeling as well!

    The latest images just keep me drooling. It looks amazing! I really must order one NOW Smiley


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    Aug 18, 2011 7:24:20 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    SmileyBlackOctober:

    Here's one more

    1313691958572Porsche-911-991--fotoshowImage-84a21d0b-524980.jpg 


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    I love this angle. Looks spectacular. The rear end looks really good from this angle.

    The new wheels look fantastic also


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    Aug 18, 2011 7:38:36 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Official technical data available now too:

    Carrera: 350 hp at 6400 rpm, 3.4 l engine

    Carrera S: 400 hp at 7000 rpm. 3.8 l engine

    0-100 kph (Carrera S with PDK and Sport Chrono Plus):  4.1 seconds (4.3 seconds without Sport Chrono Plus but with PDK), Top speed (Carrera S): 302 kph.

    Carrera GTS owners surely don't need to worry. 

    Weight is 45 kg lighter than 997 models.

    The new 991 is 5.6 cm longer, 1.1 cm lower and 6.5 cm wider than the 997.

     

     


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    Aug 18, 2011 7:42:08 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    RC:

    Official technical data available now too:

    The new 991 is 5.6 cm longer, 1.1 cm lower and 6.5 cm wider than the 997.

     

     


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     Really, 6.5 cm wider... that's a lot compared to the 997. Can't wait to see it in real life, although I'm not in the market for a 911 for the next two years..


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    Aug 18, 2011 7:45:11 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    RC:
    Rich_NY:

    So today has been pretty much a fake?

    Oh well, more waiting.

     

    Fake ? Are you kidding ? Smiley

    A short word regarding the look of the 991: Why are some of you that disappointed ? I don't get it. The 991 is a perfect evolution of the 997. It may have one or two design quirks but these are going to be taken care of with the facelift, no doubt about it. The car is not a beauty but a masterpiece, you need to look at the whole picture and what the 911 actually represents. It is not a car you can change the design lightly, so the current evolution is almost perfect. I don't like the huge lettering on the rear (yes, 911 would suffice) but if you expected a larger butt, it is going to be available with the AWD models.

    Just sit back and enjoy the ride: If you already own a 997, you still have a great 911, which is good news. If you're looking for something new, the 991 is amazing. Wait until you see it in person, then we talk again.

    Just responding to the poster that said it was. I'm quite pleased with the new look if these are for real. I'm planning on selling my 2006 997 and getting a 991S withing the year. Good to know that these are legit.

    Aug 18, 2011 8:02:06 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

     Here's an interior pshop I made:

    Aug 18, 2011 8:05:48 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    RC:

    Official technical data available now too:

    Carrera: 350 hp at 6400 rpm, 3.4 l engine

    Carrera S: 400 hp at 7000 rpm. 3.8 l engine


    I don't think I've ever seen a normally aspirated motor that made well over 100hp/L at only 6,400rpm.  Seems very low...

    For comparison, the Cayman R makes under 100hp/L at 7,400rpm (same basic engine architecture with same displacement of 3.4L).  Are you sure there is no typo?


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:08:26 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Carrara:

     With every new picture the 991 looks better and better! Check these out! What a properly sexy car!

     I love the fact that once you contemplate about a present car (like the 997.2) you can't imagine how the design will ever be outdated, to wake up this morning and to open this tread. Reset of the brain. Smiley


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:11:37 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    spudgun:

     I love the fact that once you contemplate about a present car (like the 997.2) you can't imagine how the design will ever be outdated, to wake up this morning and to open this tread. Reset of the brain. Smiley

    Then you need to wait and see the 991.2 in 4 years Smiley.


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:19:35 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Anyone else notice the little display attached to the top of the hub of the steering wheel on the interior shots? Looks like a gear and lighted rev display (green on left going to yellow and red as you rev the engine - a shift light so to speak).

    Other than that, like most others here, I like it but have reservatios about hte fog lights. Look clumsy to me. The photshopped ones to make it more like the 430 are much better.

    Now to dream of a 991S in Aston Martin Almond Green with Cocoa interior...


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:24:04 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Carrara:

     Here's an interior pshop I made:

     Great job carrara Smiley looks so much different in this color, much better Smiley


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:24:11 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Porker:
    RC:
    Porker:

    Can anyone elaborate on why they opted for an electrical power assistance rather than the hydraulic system they had in the 997? It was one of the driving traits 997's were praised for, what clear advantage has an electrical power steering as to make it worthwhile risking putting that praised characteristic on the line?

    Weight? Fuel consumption? Cost?

     

    Let me guess: Better adaptation to certain driving situations like pavement, driving dynamics, lateral acceleration, speed, etc ? Emissions and fuel consumption ?

    Is that so bad if it actually feels the same ?Smiley

    Of course not, but it remains a gamble. Why change if it's not broken, or even better why change what's being praised...

    But, if the upsides outweigh the downsides, I'm all for!

     Well, one reason which makes sense to me is "packaging". 

    The steering rack is at the front of the car, the PAS pump is engine driven, so on a 911 has to be at the rear of the car.

    The hydraulic system plus long pipework from pump to rack are also probably much heavier then a corresponding electric PAS system, so this change also probably contributed to the weight reduction of the 991 compared to the 997.


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:25:37 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Carlos from Spain:
    Carrara:

     Here's an interior pshop I made:

     Great job carrara Smiley looks so much different in this color, much better Smiley

     It'll look better still in black. 


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:32:46 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    993Targa:
    RC:

    Official technical data available now too:

    The new 991 is 5.6 cm longer, 1.1 cm lower and 6.5 cm wider than the 997.

     

     


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     Really, 6.5 cm wider... that's a lot compared to the 997. Can't wait to see it in real life, although I'm not in the market for a 911 for the next two years..

    If that figure is correct, then probably only due to resited mirrors being further outboard.

    I thought I had read that the actual body width is the same as the 997 at the rear axle, but wider than the 997 at the front axle due to increased track? Smiley


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:35:18 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Ron (Houston):

     

    Now that I had some time to relax and look at the pictures, I would like to share my humble personal opinion.  In 2004/2005 when the 997.1 was introduced, I wasn’t impressed with the photos and when it came to the showrooms I went to check it out in person to do a touch and feel.  No offense to the 997.1 owners (strictly my personal impression) it didn’t capture me or made me say: I MUST have one urge.  If you recall I ordered the 4.2 R8.

    However since yesterday that Rossi posted the pictures, this burning urge inside me (like a little kid) is back.  Every time I see the pictures I keep telling myself: I MUST get me one of these.  I feel rejuvenated kind of like when the heat was on during early 996 era.

    I love the looks of the 991 the front, the back the proportion and the grace.  I love it and I’ll do my best to get one when available.  Thanks Porsche for fueling the fire in me again, well done.

     Ron, have you been buying those little blue pills on the internet again? Smiley


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:36:42 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Ron (Houston):

     

    Now that I had some time to relax and look at the pictures, I would like to share my humble personal opinion.  In 2004/2005 when the 997.1 was introduced, I wasn’t impressed with the photos and when it came to the showrooms I went to check it out in person to do a touch and feel.  No offense to the 997.1 owners (strictly my personal impression) it didn’t capture me or made me say: I MUST have one urge.  If you recall I ordered the 4.2 R8.

    However since yesterday that Rossi posted the pictures, this burning urge inside me (like a little kid) is back.  Every time I see the pictures I keep telling myself: I MUST get me one of these.  I feel rejuvenated kind of like when the heat was on during early 996 era.

    I love the looks of the 991 the front, the back the proportion and the grace.  I love it and I’ll do my best to get one when available.  Thanks Porsche for fueling the fire in me again, well done.

     Very happy for you Ron. It's wonderful to read stories like this Smiley


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:42:48 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Over 21000 views in 1.5 days ... simply staggering

    Rennteam is buzzing ....  


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    Aug 18, 2011 8:54:56 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    This thread makes clear to me that traveling for two days is a major mistake...

    My thoughts on this thread are:

    1. Many, many thanks to Rossi SmileySmileySmiley

    2. If the 991 is fast (Sportauto lap times...) I like it Smiley

    Until the Sportauto Supertest results are available I enjoy the 997 Smiley

    Aug 18, 2011 8:58:03 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    Budster:

    That's a great looking engine!  Of course I'm entitled to my own opinion...  Oh God, I just said that!  I'm going to throw up!

    BTW - was that taken from underneath?

     


    Oh..dont say that here..otherwise you will end up here like me..I will not post on the "engine issue" anymore (not here in this forum) ....

    But maybe this is not known here yet..I have my thoughts and ideas about this article but I will refrain from posting  them..read by yourself (article was posted in teamspeed)991 update 1.jpg991 update 3.jpgn991 update 2.jpg

     

    PS @ Carrera: I like your posting in teamspeed much moreSmiley

    teamspeed.jpg

    Good night everybody Smiley

    Aug 18, 2011 9:02:05 PM

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    Re: Ladies and gentlemen, the new 991...

    MKSGR:

    This thread makes clear to me that traveling for two days is a major mistake...

    My thoughts on this thread are:

    1. Many, many thanks to Rossi SmileySmileySmiley

    2. If the 991 is fast (Sportauto lap times...) I like it Smiley

    Until the Sportauto Supertest results are available I enjoy the 997 Smiley


    Fully agree with you MKSGR..Smiley

     
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