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    Re: Porsche Back in Le Mans with LMP1 2014

    Was very sad to the #20 car break down and retire. #14 likely to follow. It's great to see Porsche back however. I'm sure the best is yet to come.

    I saw all the race except a 7 hour sleep last night, and I thoroughly enjoyed it. Motorsport at its best.

     


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    yes, this is a 24h sprint...which makes F1 sad in comparison. I watched many parts but usually I just watch full 24h replay on youtube. 


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    So gutted for the Porsches, but sure they did put up a good fight. surprise


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    Both 919 out + our Rennteam Racer...very sad.

    But second part of the return in 2015 !!!!

    Some night-pics from the party at Zuffenhausen1402834825597image.jpg1402834825664image.jpg1402834825758image.jpg1402834825711image.jpg1402834825721image.jpg

    Saturday afternoon about 5.000 people came to the factory - the Museum was open for 24 H.

    At 05.00 AM  about 100 hardcore fans remained. :-)

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    kissGreat - I was there yesterday afternoon as I had promised my godchild (10y old) a visit to the museum. We had a good time as we were there at 1.30pm and could walk through the exibition with an audio guide for kids and were ready for the start at 3pm. Porsche really celebrated their return to LeMans at the museum, a pity it didn't work for them in LeMans. We exited the museum at 5 pm and I had a very sleepy passenger on the way back north. Great effort Porsche !!


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    Fantastic race and epic racing. And popularity is growing, next year will be even more exiting since Nissan will be joining LMP1 and there are very strong rumors that Ferrari will as well! and rumors of new drivers like DelaRosa, Fisichella, Gene, etc..

    LdM recently said that they may pull out of F1 since its not exiting anymore, that people don't want to see how eficcient cars are or drivers economising fuel and tires instead of drivers racing all out form point A to point B. Also they sound horrible and anti-show rules like not being able to develop the engine. This would make sense since he also said that they cannot participate in endourance racing and F1 at the same time.

    If its not next year, its definately going to be down the line, LdM mentioned 2020.

    I for one, wouldn't mind, F1 is a joke of what it was and its ruined.


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    Oh what a great race!
    I was at the tribunes across the pitbox when #20 came in and retired bit later. So gutted! Then #14 came in and disappeared directly into the garage as well. They put everything on everything to at least participate in the last lap, which I was very happy to see they managed.
    Tonight dinner in Le Mans town a d then back home tomorrow.
    The race was really exciting, and I hope porsche will be back next year to put up a great fight again!
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    Porsche didn't rise to expectations, in spite of all the pre-race hype. I left home to go to a christening with Webber in P1 but when I returned I was disappointed to find out the final result. I thought I would celebrate at 16:00 local time.

    A race win might have been against the odds but they should at least be on the podium overall. They devoted too much effort on 919 publicity and less on the car, perhaps Smiley

    My compliments to Audi for their 1-2 and their 13th. The fact that Toyota lost again was a consolation for me.

    Moreover, in the GTE classes Porsche fared poorly with just a P3 and a runner-up position.

    Blame the Macan indecision

     

     


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    Acceptable return. Not good. Just acceptable. Next year they need to be much.much better.


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    I agree, I don't know if our expectations were too high, but next year they no excuse wink


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    Carlos from Spain:

    LdM recently said that they may pull out of F1 since its not exiting anymore, that people don't want to see how eficcient cars are or drivers economising fuel and tires instead of drivers racing all out form point A to point B. Also they sound horrible and anti-show rules like not being able to develop the engine. This would make sense since he also said that they cannot participate in endourance racing and F1 at the same time.


    I don´t believe that LdM would decide to leave F1 any time. I agree though that endurance racing is far spectacular, especially this year. His comment might´ve been tongue-in-cheek as he wants to show the officials that F1 racing is not as attractive as it used to be. Lots of that is due to the organization, the politics and the money in the background. 

    Endurance racing is entertaining per se and especially this year as we have three manufacturers which compete with entirely different engine concepts yet end up at a very similar pace over the course of the race. Which leads me to the expectations some people had at Porsche... they started in a brand new car, with new development structures established for this particular project, with a engine- and drivetrain-technology that is far more advanced than of the other two, they have built a car that in its first three races has already been competitive... so what more do people expect? If one considers how much effort Toyota (or Peugeot previously) put into it and how much difficulties they had, even if their cars have been faster than Audi´s in several years, I am perfectly fine with Porsche´s result. Anything better would have been a great outcome, but I wouldn´t have expected it.

    That said, I doubt that Ferrari would be able to instantly perform in a more competitive fashion than Porsche as I believe that nowadays a lot of the performance advantages over the competitors come from experience in various fields (tires, aerodynamics, heat management, suspension setup etc.). Something that even a proficient company such as Porsche can only partly compensate.


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    blueflame:

    Some night-pics from the party at Zuffenhausen

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    What a great incentive, I didn´t know about that. If I would´ve been in the vicinity of Stuttgart it would´ve been the place to go. 

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    Totally agree with Ferdie! It was very hard to expect something better! I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw 919 on 1st place. I thought even a finish would be fine! Great that Porsche decided to try to battle for 1st place. Maybe if they were conservative 20 would arrive 2nd, but they risked and lost - next time they will win! They have shown to competition that 2nd is not enought for them.

    Also, considering that this car is something more complicated than F1 car  that thing was very very reliable! I expected much more problems. 

    Of course the car is not complete and it would be great if its potential would be disclosed the next season, once again, it is very complicated and made from clean sheet of paper with NO details to share from previous models. Toyota 040 for example is a 3 years old concept that was cut for 030 and full for 040 - one car dead after 14h! Audi R18 shares lots of things from 2011-2013 model and also was not reliable.

    So, great work from Porsche! It was really very naive to expect something more here...


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    Smileykudryavchik:

    Totally agree with Ferdie! It was very hard to expect something better! I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw 919 on 1st place. I thought even a finish would be fine! Great that Porsche decided to try to battle for 1st place. Maybe if they were conservative 20 would arrive 2nd, but they risked and lost - next time they will win! They have shown to competition that 2nd is not enought for them.

    Also, considering that this car is something more complicated than F1 car  that thing was very very reliable! I expected much more problems. 

    Of course the car is not complete and it would be great if its potential would be disclosed the next season, once again, it is very complicated and made from clean sheet of paper with NO details to share from previous models. Toyota 040 for example is a 3 years old concept that was cut for 030 and full for 040 - one car dead after 14h! Audi R18 shares lots of things from 2011-2013 model and also was not reliable.

    So, great work from Porsche! It was really very naive to expect something more here...

    SmileySmileySmiley Well Porsche and we still have the remaining WEC Races!!!!


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    Ferdie:
    Endurance racing is entertaining per se and especially this year as we have three manufacturers which compete with entirely different engine concepts yet end up at a very similar pace over the course of the race. Which leads me to the expectations some people had at Porsche... they started in a brand new car, with new development structures established for this particular project, with a engine- and drivetrain-technology that is far more advanced than of the other two, they have built a car that in its first three races has already been competitive... so what more do people expect? If one considers how much effort Toyota (or Peugeot previously) put into it and how much difficulties they had, even if their cars have been faster than Audi´s in several years, I am perfectly fine with Porsche´s result. Anything better would have been a great outcome, but I wouldn´t have expected it.

    +1 Smiley

    Well said! Smiley


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    An "honourable defeat" mail


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    reginos:


    An "honourable defeat" mail





    Yep. Shows that le mans remains sport unlike one serie we all know;)
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    reginos:

    Porsche didn't rise to expectations, in spite of all the pre-race hype. I left home to go to a christening with Webber in P1 but when I returned I was disappointed to find out the final result. I thought I would celebrate at 16:00 local time.

    A race win might have been against the odds but they should at least be on the podium overall. They devoted too much effort on 919 publicity and less on the car, perhaps Smiley

    My compliments to Audi for their 1-2 and their 13th. The fact that Toyota lost again was a consolation for me.

    Moreover, in the GTE classes Porsche fared poorly with just a P3 and a runner-up position.

    Blame the Macan indecision


    Couldn't have said it better, sums it up perfectly. Smiley

    After all the hype about Porsche's return to Le Mans, after all what has been said and done, this result is very disappointing. Smiley


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    Nobody can be disappointed after 22 hours of fighting for the win with a completely new car and technology. 

    Great race and kudos for putting #14 for the final lap!


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    Officially none of the 919s were classified. The final lap was for show.


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    Jeannot:

    yes, this is a 24h sprint...which makes F1 sad in comparison. I watched many parts but usually I just watch full 24h replay on youtube. 

    +1Smiley


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    reginos:

    Officially none of the 919s were classified. The final lap was for show.

    No difference...


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    Having watched 17 of the 24 hours I think that Porsche put up a great fight.

    With less than 3 hours to go they had a car in the lead and that is more than I ever hoped.

    It was a very difficult race for all. The fact both Audis had their turbos replaced and still managed to win gives you an idea of what a troubled race this was for all teams.

    An LMP1 car is a monumental project for anyone. This was Porche's first attempt in over a decade. I think that that the most important thing this year is for them to learn and build experience.

    Next year, however,  Porsche should should seriously consider running the WEC with 3 cars like Audi does.


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    They are already working on 2015 car.
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    Re: Porsche Back in Le Mans with LMP1 2014

    IMO, as others have said, the achievement of Porsche, after an absence of so many years, is fine. Any feeling of disappointment IMO is surely because expectations may have been over-hyped by all the pre-race publicity.


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    Re: Porsche Back in Le Mans with LMP1 2014

     In the first two WEC races the 919 fared very well, given the very long absence. Those were 6 hour races but I presumed  that Porsche were also well prepared for the long race. 

    I never go for the publicity stunts, but I expected a P4 at least.

    The GTE results were another big disappointment.

     


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    With GTE Porsche became a victim of silverstone dominance. 25kg added and considering that 911 likes to eat tyres fast its a lot.


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    It was a great Le Mans... Audi and Toyota are very tough competition. Porsche has built a fundamentally fast car and to be looking like a possible winner with a few hours to go was much more than I anticipated. The car is fundamentally quick and it is completely bespoke. Of course Audi and Toyota's cars a new too, but they have drawn on a lot of what already was in place. A fairytale ending would have  been great, but I think they have done quite well. No indignant disappointment here!


     
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