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    Apr 25, 2011 7:37:18 PM

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    SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Here are some of the key specs (new version with 530hp):

     

    NBR: 7.36 (old version: 7.38) 

    HHR: 1.10 (old version: 1.10,7)

    0-100: 3.3s

    0-200: 11.5s

    Doettinger Hoehe: 283kph

    200-0: 129.2m

    Weight of test car: 1784kg

    Upforce front axle at 200kph: 12kg

    Downforce rear axle at 200kph: 17kg

    CwxA: 0.72

    Wet handling: 1.35s (old version: 1.32,4)

     

    Tires are now more focused on dry performance (see wet handling numbers). 

    The Supertest now includes a verficiation of some key suspension parameters. As it turns out the GTR delivered for the Supertest had non-standard suspension adjustments... Well, interesting - and a good idea to include these parameters in the Supertest SmileyCheating will be more difficult from now on Smiley

    Apr 25, 2011 7:46:05 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    The Supertest now includes a verficiation of some key suspension parameters. As it turns out the GTR delivered for the Supertest had non-standard suspension adjustments... 

    Smiley Maybe they should start with listing what things were standard on the test car sent by Nissan and they would finish quicker Smiley 


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    Apr 25, 2011 7:46:39 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    MKSGR:
    The Supertest now includes a verficiation of some key suspension parameters. As it turns out the GTR delivered for the Supertest had non-standard suspension adjustments... Well, interesting - and a good idea to include these parameters in the Supertest SmileyCheating will be more difficult from now on Smiley


    Damn, we will never see a Ferrari in a SportAuto Supertest now. Smiley
     


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    Apr 25, 2011 7:56:55 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    100-200 in 8.2, Top Speed at Döttingerhöhe 283 km/h well i think the different to the first gtr isnt that big concerning acceleration. The difference must be due to the launtch control at low Speed

    Apr 25, 2011 11:12:54 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    SmileySmileyStefan, you are incredibly witty.Smiley  


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    Apr 25, 2011 11:24:49 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Last years independent tests were below 7:38 for the 2009 


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    Apr 26, 2011 12:43:41 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    0-200 kph in 11.5 seconds...amazing for a 90000 EUR car, disappointing for a so called "911 Turbo destroyer". The track time is impressive, no doubt about it but I don't trust Nissan's technology, reliability can be a bitch.

    Btw: It seems that the GT-R is very popular in the US, saw at least a dozen GT-R over here in Miami...and counting. 

    Speaking of Miami: Do Floridians actually know how to use their turn signal? Do they even know they have one on their cars? Just wondering.   


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    Apr 26, 2011 4:43:41 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    did the test car last more than a couple laps?

    Apr 26, 2011 6:24:47 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Whoopsy:

    did the test car last more than a couple laps?

     Apparently, the cooling and the brakes have been improved quite a bit. Sportauto mentions that the car seems to be more reliable now. They also state that the Facelift after only 2 years of production was mainly triggered by technical problems of the first version (cooling of gear box in particular) Smiley

    Apr 26, 2011 6:25:55 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Rossi:
    MKSGR:
    The Supertest now includes a verficiation of some key suspension parameters. As it turns out the GTR delivered for the Supertest had non-standard suspension adjustments... Well, interesting - and a good idea to include these parameters in the Supertest SmileyCheating will be more difficult from now on Smiley


    Damn, we will never see a Ferrari in a SportAuto Supertest now. Smiley
     

     Will be very interesting to see Smiley (maybe Sportauto will find out that the cars sent by Ferrari are actually equipped with Porsche suspension technology Smiley)

    Apr 26, 2011 8:30:03 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    BiTurbo:

    Last years independent tests were below 7:38 for the 2009 

    don't bother with this Smiley


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    Apr 26, 2011 8:59:43 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    BiTurbo:

    Last years independent tests were below 7:38 for the 2009 

    The Supertest result for the old version was 7.38 Smiley

    Apr 26, 2011 11:10:25 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    MKSGR:

    Here are some of the key specs (new version with 530hp):

     

    NBR: 7.36 (old version: 7.38) 

    HHR: 1.10 (old version: 1.10,7)

    0-100: 3.3s

    0-200: 11.5s

    Doettinger Hoehe: 283kph

    200-0: 129.2m

    Weight of test car: 1784kg

    Upforce front axle at 200kph: 12kg

    Downforce rear axle at 200kph: 17kg

    CwxA: 0.72

    Wet handling: 1.35s (old version: 1.32,4)

     

    Tires are now more focused on dry performance (see wet handling numbers). 

    The Supertest now includes a verficiation of some key suspension parameters. As it turns out the GTR delivered for the Supertest had non-standard suspension adjustments... Well, interesting - and a good idea to include these parameters in the Supertest SmileyCheating will be more difficult from now on Smiley



    can you scanner this supertest  of GT-R 2012?Smiley

    Smiley

     

    Apr 28, 2011 3:47:48 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    RC:

    Speaking of Miami: Do Floridians actually know how to use their turn signal? Do they even know they have one on their cars? Just wondering.   

    Sadly, many in the US (and Canada) disregard signaling, and cops are more than happy to NOT enforce any of it.  The same way they don't enforce people holding up traffic in the passing lane for example.  Heck, they're having a hard time enough to enforce the recent no-cell-phone-use-in-car laws.
     

    Oh well...  What brought you to Florida?

    Smiley

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    Apr 28, 2011 8:18:14 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Jofu:
    RC:

    Speaking of Miami: Do Floridians actually know how to use their turn signal? .................

    Oh well...  What brought you to Florida?

    Smiley

    Geoff

     Lufthansa, probably. Smiley


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    Apr 28, 2011 9:55:38 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    fritz:
    Jofu:
    RC:

    Speaking of Miami: Do Floridians actually know how to use their turn signal? .................

    Oh well...  What brought you to Florida?

    Smiley

    Geoff

     Lufthansa, probably. Smiley


    Smiley
     


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    Apr 28, 2011 12:18:54 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    why don't they put each car on dyno first as well ?

    Apr 28, 2011 12:52:47 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    friends who track their cars VERY regularly said they've never seen a GTR for a whole week-end.....what's the point of being fast for 2-3 rounds if then the computer tells you to cool down the tranny (like reported in some magazines  & Sabine schmitz) - or something else "fails"?

    I think 7:36 is sensational no question and a technical achievement for such a heavy car - but I have my doubts you can replicate these times for a couple of hours....- wonder also how long tires last...

    Apr 28, 2011 2:08:55 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    BjoernB:

    friends who track their cars VERY regularly said they've never seen a GTR for a whole week-end.....


    Whole weekend ? Smiley On the Nordschleife they're done after two fast laps (experienced this myself more than once while playing with them). Smiley On GP-tracks (even more demanding for engine/tranny in terms of thermic stress) the party is over even earlier (km-wise, not lap-wise Smiley).


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    Apr 28, 2011 2:31:34 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Well, on the other hand, HvS didn't mention anything in this direction - at least it seems, that FC GTR made the supertest without any problems...perhaps we may see more of these cars on track days in the future...Smiley ...whatever this means...Smiley

    Apr 28, 2011 2:56:49 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Jofu:
    RC:

    Speaking of Miami: Do Floridians actually know how to use their turn signal? Do they even know they have one on their cars? Just wondering.   

    Sadly, many in the US (and Canada) disregard signaling, and cops are more than happy to NOT enforce any of it.  The same way they don't enforce people holding up traffic in the passing lane for example.  Heck, they're having a hard time enough to enforce the recent no-cell-phone-use-in-car laws.
     

    Oh well...  What brought you to Florida?

    Smiley

    Geoff

     

    I echo that comment, signalling means telling the car in the other lane to speed up and block your lane change in North America . Also, it's too easy to get a driver's license in North American, pretty much if you can spell your own name you get one. I wish North America adopt the standard the German uses and then half the people on the road now won't be able to get one.

    Apr 28, 2011 2:57:36 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    MKSGR:
    Whoopsy:

    did the test car last more than a couple laps?

     Apparently, the cooling and the brakes have been improved quite a bit. Sportauto mentions that the car seems to be more reliable now. They also state that the Facelift after only 2 years of production was mainly triggered by technical problems of the first version (cooling of gear box in particular) Smiley

     

     

    That means the GTR is finally a valid target for purchase?

    Apr 28, 2011 5:19:18 PM

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    It is a TURN signal NOT a lane changing signal. Good drivers are always aware on US highways that people change lanes when the situation allows them to do so. Putting your turn signal on to change lanes is an unnecessary action. In fact it can cause accidents because people believe that once they engage the signal it is safe to make the lane change.


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    Apr 28, 2011 5:49:04 PM

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    What makes turn signals dangerous on the highway, Nick, is that people who do use it use it AS they change lanes, which really makes them pointless.  The point of lane change signals is to signal PRIOR to your actual move to give people behind you a signal. But then again left and right lanes mean NOTHING in North America, as there isn't a "fast" lane... In Germany the left indicator in the left lane lets the guy in front know to move over because he is not fast enough Sometimes if he/she is dutch it requires extra light signaling


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    nberry:

    It is a TURN signal NOT a lane changing signal. Good drivers are always aware on US highways that people change lanes when the situation allows them to do so. Putting your turn signal on to change lanes is an unnecessary action. In fact it can cause accidents because people believe that once they engage the signal it is safe to make the lane change.

    While we are at it, why bother using them at all?... I'm glad I don't have to drive in the statesSmiley

    Your theory could be applied at intersections and any other turn, using them there could also cause accidents according to you since once they engage the signal the may believe its safe to turn just the same as in a lane change... Anybody who can make such an assumption or desition should not be driving period.

    Using turn signals in lane changes "when there is traffic behind and/or in front of you" is a basic safety measure, just like using a helmet on a bike or not speaking on the cell or eating while you drive.

    Its essential to help avoid lane change collisions were drivers for example in the overtaing lane that approach at higher speed have time to adapt the speed, if the driver on the right takes the precaution of signaling the lane change before iniating the maneuver and cutting him off, or drivers caught by surprise by other drivers who initiate a lane change right into their lane when next to each other in the blind spot, or two drivers in the same lane both going into another lane at the same time to overtake another, or two drivers in a three lane road jumpinjg into the same middle lane from the to outer lanes. There are instances were they are not necesary, like if you are too far from other vehicles for it to matter, or like when returning to the right like after an overtake once if you have cleared the car by a long margin,  etc (I admit I don't bother in those cases myself) but it doesn't cost anything to use when you are in traffic and its driving safety 101.

     


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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    nberry:

    It is a TURN signal NOT a lane changing signal. Good drivers are always aware on US highways that people change lanes when the situation allows them to do so. Putting your turn signal on to change lanes is an unnecessary action. In fact it can cause accidents because people believe that once they engage the signal it is safe to make the lane change.

    What are you, a lawyer or something?...  Oh wait, nevermind.Smiley
     


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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    Carlos from Spain:

    Using turn signals in lane changes "when there is traffic behind and/or in front of you" is a basic safety measure

    ....and therefore even required by traffic laws (at least in Germany), though more and more drivers do not observe the rule Smiley

    @ Nick: a driver who thinks it's safe to change the lane just because he puts his turn signal on probably also thinks it's safe to reverse just because he engages the reverse gear Smiley


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    Apr 28, 2011 11:49:42 PM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    The reason that people don't use signals to change lanes in North America is because the people behind will know what you're doing and will speed up to block you.

    Apr 29, 2011 3:38:51 AM

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    nberry:

    It is a TURN signal NOT a lane changing signal. Good drivers are always aware on US highways that people change lanes when the situation allows them to do so. Putting your turn signal on to change lanes is an unnecessary action. In fact it can cause accidents because people believe that once they engage the signal it is safe to make the lane change.


    For the USA Nick is 100% correct. All state motor vehicle codes require that the turn signal be used for turning, eg exiting the road you are on for another one. Few states if any require that turn signals be used to change lanes on a multi lane highway.

    Of course in some countries people may feel a psychological need to use their turn signals to change lanes and or the law might require them to even leave their signal on when in a passing lane.

    What Nicks comment alluded to was to those drivers who think that signaling to change lanes gives them some sort of carte blanch to compell other drivers to yield so that they can change lanes. There are plenty of elderly and not so elderly drivers who mistakenly believe that, so Nicks comment is not off the mark.

     

     

     

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    Re: SportAuto Supertest of Facelift Nissan GTR

    James, thank you for the additional elaboration.

     I don't recall whether any European country requires using the TURN SIGNAL to indicate a lane change. Do they?


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