Porsche had to fire off the "Turbo S" model to keep up sales.
Expect a sportier design on the next gen Panamera, it could already start with the facelift which is due aprox. 2012 or latest 2013.
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Mar 24, 2011 6:16:15 AM
Spyderidol:
Face-lift is good! Is there a possibility of having eye-lift, cleft jaw implant, liposuction and hunch-back removal as well?
LOL! I think you found the cure.
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Mar 24, 2011 9:45:32 AM
Misha011:
He could wear a hat - roof line is unchanged , only 5th door frame + more conical & convex glass
If you also add a third seat in the rear, my wife will love you.
This is actually the only reason why we would never get a Panamera.
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RC:
Misha011:
He could wear a hat - roof line is unchanged , only 5th door frame + more conical & convex glass
If you also add a third seat in the rear, my wife will love you.
This is actually the only reason why we would never get a Panamera.
+1 with 3 girls....no Panamera !
RC:
Misha011:
He could wear a hat - roof line is unchanged , only 5th door frame + more conical & convex glass
If you also add a third seat in the rear, my wife will love you.
This is actually the only reason why we would never get a Panamera.
You can't have all the goodies - Panamera + mother in low
The problem is that "soccer moms" usually have to transport their kids...and other kids.
When my in-laws are visiting, my wife needs to be able to take them and the kids in the car, so a 4-seater is really a no-go.
I still wonder why so many here defend a 4-seater Panamera because it doesn't make sense for such a huge car like the Panamera.
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Mar 24, 2011 11:50:54 AM
RC:
The problem is that "soccer moms" usually have to transport their kids...and other kids.
When my in-laws are visiting, my wife needs to be able to take them and the kids in the car, so a 4-seater is really a no-go.
I still wonder why so many here defend a 4-seater Panamera because it doesn't make sense for such a huge car like the Panamera.
I totally agree, 4 seat doesn't make any sense.
Mar 24, 2011 12:43:57 PM
Ron (Houston):
RC:
The problem is that "soccer moms" usually have to transport their kids...and other kids.
When my in-laws are visiting, my wife needs to be able to take them and the kids in the car, so a 4-seater is really a no-go.
I still wonder why so many here defend a 4-seater Panamera because it doesn't make sense for such a huge car like the Panamera.
I totally agree, 4 seat doesn't make any sense.
Yes it does make a lot of sense:
- you have 4 equal seats in the car
- no matter where you sit, you have the same comfort
- Panamera is not a soccer mom car - for that purpose there are many other cars which fit much better
- Panamera is usually driven by one person, sometimes two and very seldom 3 or 4
- Panamera with 5 seats should then have a larger luggage space
- Panamera is a high end luxury product not intended for daily shopping and kid taxiing
My family has fallen in love with our first 4-seater the BMW X6 and now the Panamera turbo. We had only 2-3 times the demand of a third seat in the rear. For that we have other cars :)
ALDO:
- Panamera is a high end luxury product not intended for daily shopping and kid taxiing
You must be kidding, right? A Panamera Turbo S would be the only car for daily shopping, kid taxling, whatever, for me and my wife and I already know a couple of people who chose a BMW 7 series instead of the Panamera because there wasn't a 5th seat available. Of course lease cost played a role too but these people really wanted the Panamera.
As to the high end luxury product: It is a Porsche sedan, not a sports car. It is fast like hell for it's size(Turbo only) and really a nice product but personally, I would always prefer a 911 over the Panamera.
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Mike S:
Christian, do you really think a facelift could be already introduced in 2012?
I just put down a deposit for a P TTS yesterday
I'm afraid...yes. There is nothing written in stone though but the introduction of the Turbo S itself could be already a signal...
Do you really care? Of course I would always love to drive the latest gear but the Turbo S is really a rocket and I doubt that a facelift would immediately include the Turbo S too.
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RC:
ALDO:
- Panamera is a high end luxury product not intended for daily shopping and kid taxiing
You must be kidding, right? A Panamera Turbo S would be the only car for daily shopping, kid taxling, whatever, for me and my wife and I already know a couple of people who chose a BMW 7 series instead of the Panamera because there wasn't a 5th seat available. Of course lease cost played a role too but these people really wanted the Panamera.
As to the high end luxury product: It is a Porsche sedan, not a sports car. It is fast like hell for it's size(Turbo only) and really a nice product but personally, I would always prefer a 911 over the Panamera.
Come on - neither is a BMW 7-series nor a Panamera a city car. Not here in our country and not for our pocket sizes. As Porsche has stated (and it was so planned) Panamera is not a second but a third car.
I don´t know much people who would consider buying either a 911 or a Panamera. This two cars are so different in their purpose.
Me for example, I bought it because I need a fast, sporty car with enough comfort and luggage space and I wanted a special car, not something boring. I hated to fit my golf bag in my 911 turbo.
So I could choose between:
BMW -7 series: nothing special - ordinary
Jaguar - not my taste
Masarati - I like it, but I don´t trust them
Bentley - I had even a much better offer then my Panamera, but I couldn´t drive such car
Mercedes S- class : no
Mercedes CL-class: I was thinking of it
Aston Martin: no money
so it was easy to choose Panamera for me - fast, sporty, elegant, luxury, special, comfort, I like the brand, I like how it looks like, fits my family, fits my environment ( at least I hope so )
ALDO:
Mini Cooper S :)
Smart is not my taste ;)
Good choice... , I still prefer the X5M in the city, it is more fun(believe it or not). My wife hates Mini, she usually drives her M3 Cab in the city...or the X5M.
I won't replace the Mini, it doesn't make sense anymore for us. Still thinking about the Countryman Diesel SD for my business but I'm not 100% sure yet, maybe Countryman Cooper S.
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Joost:
My guess is that the facelift will (looks-wise) only consist of a revised front and rear bumper, nothing out of the ordinary, just enough to make it look a bit different...
It will look more refined according to one source, whatever this means. I haven't seen it and I doubt I will see it before it shows up, the Panamera isn't really my thing..yet.
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