Mar 21, 2011 6:20:48 PM
Mar 21, 2011 8:02:24 PM
Mar 21, 2011 10:03:12 PM
Heist:
C'mon, this is like comparing lemons to oranges. Can we get a more equal comparison please : )
Although neither design makes me want to go run and grab my checkbook, on pure visual aesthetics alone I'd take the 458.
Exactly .......a "lemon" Ferrari and an "orange" McLaren
Mar 22, 2011 3:25:54 AM
I don't think one looks significantly better or worse than the other. Both have aesthetically good and bad points to my eyes, especially at the rear.
Most people would pick the Ferrari styling because of the long heritage of this illustrious name not because it looks better.
For me the best styled M-E supercars of the modern era are:
"Form follows function"
The McLaren MP12-4C is one of my favorite sports cars right now, you can't get more performance for so "little" money.
Not sure about service, maintenance, etc. though, I hope McLaren does a good job here.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
mv:
RC:
Test values for the McLaren:
0-100 kph in 3.1 seconds
0-200 kph in 8.9 seconds (absolutely amazing!)
These are the claimed values by McLaren which hasn´t been independently tested, right ? Looking forward to magazine tests.
These seem like the 0-60 and 0-120 mph manufacturer claims. Since this is McLaren though, let's wait for some independent tests...
I don't expect McLaren to overestimate performance. They are a very engineering led organisation to play with figures.
The problem I'd expect is reliability for real users. Too many unique, new and untested vital components on this car. Unless of course like most cars of its type the new McLaren will spend the biggest part of its life in a garage and when used it will be a 6/10 of its potential.
"Form follows function"
mv:
RC:
I actually thought that 3.3 seconds and 9.1 seconds are the official values.
3,3s and 9,1s are official times with normal tires. 3,1s and 8,9s are official times with corsa tires.
That is correct.
RC, I am not sure that magazines have run numbers yet. Or have they?
As far as designe, the Macca is pretty bland but pretty, not amazing looking. Just safe design shall we say.
The Fezza has more presence, the rear is fabulous, the profile superb but personally, I hate the front with those ridiculous moustache (active aero) and those terrible diodes.
They used the same on the FF and am afraid it is some sort of Ferrari signature now on new models, how awful. Looks like bad japanese design.
reginos:
I don't expect McLaren to overestimate performance. They are a very engineering led organisation to play with figures.
The problem I'd expect is reliability for real users. Too many unique, new and untested vital components on this car. Unless of course like most cars of its type the new McLaren will spend the biggest part of its life in a garage and when used it will be a 6/10 of its potential.
We are talking about the McLaren of the Spygate and Lieagate fame, my dear friend.
mv:
RC:
I actually thought that 3.3 seconds and 9.1 seconds are the official values.
3,3s and 9,1s are official times with normal tires. 3,1s and 8,9s are official times with corsa tires.
BTW , off topic but tyres do matter so much.
I know I brag a lot about the CGT tyres, the car achieved 7min30 at the NS.
Michelin engineer last friday at val de vienne told me with the new supersport, it could easily gain between 10 and 15 seconds. I find that it is a lot, but it didn't come from me...
REALZEUS:
reginos:
I don't expect McLaren to overestimate performance. They are a very engineering led organisation to play with figures.
The problem I'd expect is reliability for real users. Too many unique, new and untested vital components on this car. Unless of course like most cars of its type the new McLaren will spend the biggest part of its life in a garage and when used it will be a 6/10 of its potential.
We are talking about the McLaren of the Spygate and Lieagate fame, my dear friend.
Those incidents were down to individuals. Coughlan and wife and ex- Ferrari Stepney in spygate and Hamilton in liargate. I believe McLaren as an organisation are not crooked.
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"Form follows function"