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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    MKSGR:
    WAY:
    nberry:

    What I liked about Ferrari was it excited me whether I was driving at 25mph or 120mph. With Porsche it excited me when pushing it but at 25mph it was just another car.

    The blending of sexiness, sound and elite branding all caused my to feel the excitement in the Ferrari regardless of speed. That said, when pushing the Porsche it excited me more than the Ferrari because of the confidence the car exuded during difficult maneuvering. Porsche engineering and quality trumped Ferrari sound and styling.


    When I owned non GT series Porsches, I used to say the same thing.  But never in my GT3, that thing is alive at 25mph or at 150mph. 

    Now for the McLaren.  I am very tempted to order one.  Here in Australia, the base price is reasonable (between GT3RS and 458), but I fear I would want all the CF and other options which makes this car rather expensive.  So the question is, would you buy a MP4-12C that is pretty standard?

     On your first statement I can only agree 100% SmileySmileySmiley

    Regarding your second point: why not? A good compromise would be to leave all the CF stuff away (which is for looks only anyhow), take one in black with the other useful options. German price incl. VAT would then be like 230k - which sounds still OK?


    So what do you see as the useful options? I do have my reservations about the initial quality issues like many of you are saying though. First year of a small scale manufacturer is scary potentially. Maybe I will wait 12 months.

    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    McLaren MP4-12C media launch event...

    McLaren MP4-12C Simulator...

    McLaren MP4-12C performance data...

    Smiley SmileySmiley 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    WAY:
    RC took over his account and changed his password.

    LOL SmileySmileySmiley


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    Have you guys seen the pre-configured car on the McLaren website? The background of Button's car is my area. My house is 50m up the river. Since when did he move to Australia? Haha

    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    WAY:
    Have you guys seen the pre-configured car on the McLaren website? The background of Button's car is my area. My house is 50m up the river. Since when did he move to Australia? Haha


    Well, perhaps Button wants you to drive it. Smiley
     


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

     McLaren says they will get their customers as follows :

    34 % from Porsche owners

    31 % from Ferrari

    10 % from Lambo, Bentley and AM

    In what categories do Rossi, ISUK , MikeS  etc.... fall in ? 


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    I never had a Aston, Bentley or Lambo, so I count for 65%.

    Iain is 100%, Mike more like 1000%.


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    This is a very interesting article about the new McLaren, which also highlights what may be the biggest problem of the MP4-12C:

    "And so you have a car that might be taken as a mirror of Mr. Dennis himself. Utterly vanquishing, innovative, a masterpiece of reconciled engineering and accounting. Obsessively compulsively brilliant. And yet oddly flat in affect, a strangely clinical exercise in high-speed, low-altitude mathematics. In performance and dynamics, the McLaren has it all over the Italia. But the Ferrari is emotional, visceral, a whistling scythe of car that cuts off the top of your head and pours in pure automechanical pleasure. The McLaren delivers telemetry.

    And so, ironically, you may not want the best sports car in the world. Crazy, huh?"

    Read full article here:

    online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703584804576144413370548144.html


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    Rossi:

    This is a very interesting article about the new McLaren, which also highlights what may be the biggest problem of the MP4-12C:

    "And so you have a car that might be taken as a mirror of Mr. Dennis himself. Utterly vanquishing, innovative, a masterpiece of reconciled engineering and accounting. Obsessively compulsively brilliant. And yet oddly flat in affect, a strangely clinical exercise in high-speed, low-altitude mathematics. In performance and dynamics, the McLaren has it all over the Italia. But the Ferrari is emotional, visceral, a whistling scythe of car that cuts off the top of your head and pours in pure automechanical pleasure. The McLaren delivers telemetry.

    And so, ironically, you may not want the best sports car in the world. Crazy, huh?"

    Read full article here:

    online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703584804576144413370548144.html

     One would need to drive it and then decide based on personal taste. I, for example, think that the GT Porsches are by far the most involving sports cars available and that modern Ferraris are far more synthetic than the GTs in terms of steering and chassis feed-back. Then there are Ferrari fans which just like what I consider lack of precision. In the end only the personal driving experience reveals whether a car is "the" car to buy for a specific driver Smiley


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    Rossi:

    I never had a Aston, Bentley or Lambo, so I count for 65%.

    Iain is 100%, Mike more like 1000%.


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    You may have to deduct some points from me as I've never owned an AM or Bentley. The MP4 is looking doubtful as well Smiley


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    I've read the Autocar and CAR reviews of the C12.

    Too good to be true their comments and full of superlatives. The 458 has been relegated already to second division after a short year or so, if you listen to them and the qualities of the Italian supercar have been reduced to intangibles and unquantifiables like "soul" etc.

    Is this the re-invention of the performance car or something, what do you think


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    Let's wait for the comparative tests, with measuring equipment, track results and the whole lot before making any judgements, shall we gents?


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    REALZEUS:

    Let's wait for the comparative tests, with measuring equipment, track results and the whole lot before making any judgements, shall we gents?

     

     

    Guess it'll take a while until that is possible. The Ferrari engineers are busy preparing a car to chase Chris Harris... Smiley


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    REALZEUS:

    Let's wait for the comparative tests, with measuring equipment, track results and the whole lot before making any judgements, shall we gents?

     

    We'll never know for sure unfortunately unless two customer cars are tested without prior knowledge of the two manufacturers.

    Talking about specially prepared Press cars, I wouldn't put it past McLaren either. They've done worst things in F1Smiley

     


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    Mclaren MP4-12C video by Car Magazine...

    Smiley SmileySmiley 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    McLaren MP4-12C first drive by Car and Driver...

    Smiley SmileySmiley 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    McLaren MP4-12C first drive video by MotorTrend...

    Smiley SmileySmiley 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    McLaren MP4-12C first drive video by Road & Track...

    Smiley SmileySmiley 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    There appears to be a common theme appearing on this car. Fast, but perhaps too clinical. Not sure if this is a car for me. Sounds more like a 911 turbo than say a GT3RS. www.evo.co.uk/carreviews/evocarreviews/263737/new_mclaren_mp412c_review.html


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    So if you paid McLaren to build the ultimate super car version of a Toyota MR2 they would toss you the keys to a MP4?    Far fetched but that is the gist of the anti MP4 journo crowd.

    It is so good, that you shouldnt get one!

    RE: WSJ article...Chauncey Gardner. Ron Dennis Floor Tile syndrome. Overly competent. Etc.. Dan Neil has claimed two strange things recently. That the 458 Italia is perfection in the snow and that he would buy a Lotus Evora with his own money because it is that good!

    What other editorial silliness must this car endure?  There isn't even one in a owners hands yet!

     

     

     

     

     


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    From the various journalistic reports, if they are accurate, this is a car for people who enjoy the qualities of the Audi R8 V10 but want to upgrade to something faster, rarer, more competent and more special. Which is very fair enough for a sub-segment of buyers of exquisite cars.


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    JimFlat6:

    So if you paid McLaren to build the ultimate super car version of a Toyota MR2 they would toss you the keys to a MP4?    Far fetched but that is the gist of the anti MP4 journo crowd.

    It is so good, that you shouldnt get one!

    RE: WSJ article...Chauncey Gardner. Ron Dennis Floor Tile syndrome. Overly competent. Etc.. Dan Neil has claimed two strange things recently. That the 458 Italia is perfection in the snow and that he would buy a Lotus Evora with his own money because it is that good!

    What other editorial silliness must this car endure?  There isn't even one in a owners hands yet!

     

     

     

     

     

    I don't think it is editorial silliness at all.  Quick and engineering perfection does not always equal greatness in the hands of owners who aren't out there looking for the last 10th on a race track. 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    WAY:
    JimFlat6:

    So if you paid McLaren to build the ultimate super car version of a Toyota MR2 they would toss you the keys to a MP4?    Far fetched but that is the gist of the anti MP4 journo crowd.

    It is so good, that you shouldnt get one!

    RE: WSJ article...Chauncey Gardner. Ron Dennis Floor Tile syndrome. Overly competent. Etc.. Dan Neil has claimed two strange things recently. That the 458 Italia is perfection in the snow and that he would buy a Lotus Evora with his own money because it is that good!

    What other editorial silliness must this car endure?  There isn't even one in a owners hands yet!

    I don't think it is editorial silliness at all.  Quick and engineering perfection does not always equal greatness in the hands of owners who aren't out there looking for the last 10th on a race track. 


    The 458 Italia would be damn near to the perfect sportscar, if it wasn't built by Ferrari. The 12C could be better in that respect, but then there's the problem of its styling. Smiley
     


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    23 pages of thread... and still I can't find any test that tells me the most important thing -- how much luggage space the McLaren has...    


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    Does it proudly fit a set of golf clubs like the SLR did


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    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    I know my 997Turbo can fit 2 trolleys AND 2 sets of golf clubs AND a couple small duffel bags.

    Not sure what else in the market that can top that. Not the SLR, not the Corvette, for sure not a R8 nor any Lambo.


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C supercar launch...

    I doubt the boot size is big, otherwise they would be crowing about it.  It's probably like a Gallardo. 


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    Rossi:
    WAY:
    Have you guys seen the pre-configured car on the McLaren website? The background of Button's car is my area. My house is 50m up the river. Since when did he move to Australia? Haha


    Well, perhaps Button wants you to drive it. Smiley
     


    I wouldn't say no if I don't have to pay for it.  Smiley  Anyway, here is what I am talking about.  The background photo is about 12-18 months old, as you can see the construction of the new Melbourne Hilton hotel in the background.  That hotel has been opened for at least 6-8 months.  Anyway, I do like the way Button's 12C looks. Smiley

     


    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    Button is still negotiating a price for his 12C with Ron Dennis, since Button's request for a FOC company car was rejected downright by Stingy Ron.


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    Re: McLaren MP4-12C GT3 racing car: official press release...

    reginos:

    Button is still negotiating a price for his 12C with Ron Dennis, since Button's request for a FOC company car was rejected downright by Stingy Ron.

    Button could steal the blueprints and then blackmail Ron in order to get the car for free. These things are common practice at McLaren...Smiley


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