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In an effort to reduce emissions and improve fuel-economy ultra premium brand Bentley is looking to downsize with the introduction of an all-new V8 engine.

As previously reported, Bentley is looking to sister brand Audi to co-develop a new direct-injection 4.0 liter V8 engine to be used in the Continental GT and future Audi performance models. Bentley says the new 4.0 liter direct-injection V8 will cut CO2 emission on the Continental GT model by a substantial 40 percent.

Latest reports reveal the new V8 unit will be available in two versions. According to Autocar, the first version will have a single turbocharger producing 415 bhp (309 kW / 420 PS). The second version will be twin-turbocharged unit making 555 bhp (413 kW / 563 PS) - in line with Bentley's target output of at least 100 bhp per liter.

The 4.0 liter V8 engine will debut in the Bentley Continental GT near the end 2011.

Meanwhile, Autocar also reports that 2011 production for the Mulsanne is already reserved. The Arnage successor which starts at £220,000 is powered by a 6.75-liter twin-turbo V8 producing 505 bhp (377 kW / 512 PS) and 752 lb-ft (1020 Nm) of torque.

Source: autocar.co.uk

So I'm guessing the next gen R8 will have these two engine variants and no more V10.

I'm guessing next Gallardo will have naturally aspirated V10 with 600 bhp, slots comfortably above the 555 bhp R8.

Turbo for Audi, NA for Lambo ?

Just this... Next R8 is pretty much on hold. Many things are not sure at the moment. More info after Geneva 2011.

Hint... Porsche is NOW in charge for all sportscar in VAG.

 Thanks Kreso. Btw more info from Georg Kacher :

KresoF1:

Just this... Next R8 is pretty much on hold. Many things are not sure at the moment. More info after Geneva 2011.

Hint... Porsche is NOW in charge for all sportscar in VAG.

+1 Well said.

indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

RC:

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

Rumor that you heard may be indeed correct. New R8/Gallardo is pretty much finished on the drawing board. Even engines are known...

BTW,

For those interested in new Audi models here is the list of new versions that will be introduced till September:

Audi TTRS(power update to 360ps from May 2011)

Audi S7 (4.0L V8 single turbo 408ps, S tronic)

Audi S6 (4.0l V8 single turbo 408ps, S tronic)(

Audi A6 3.0TDI( 3.0L V6 TDI biturbo 313ps, quattro only, S tronic)

Audi A8 4.0(4.0L V8 single turbo, 420ps, 8speed auto)

Audi S8(4.0L V8 biturbo 518ps, 8speed auto)

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Thanks. Good info !  

RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

This is the lowest number according to my source(zirka 510ps-530ps, nur mit S tronic). Do not forget that this is 4.0L V8, not 5.0L V10 monster with 580ps.

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

RC:

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

Christian, you might have missed this part from the article I put above :

"High-end Porsche sports car to be positioned between the 911 and the upcoming 918, internally dubbed New V8 GT. This is the hottest project the Weissach wizards currently have up their sleeves. It could have much in common with the next R8 and Gallardo."

KresoF1:

RC:

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

Rumor that you heard may be indeed correct. New R8/Gallardo is pretty much finished on the drawing board. Even engines are known...

BTW,

For those interested in new Audi models here is the list of new versions that will be introduced till September:

Audi TTRS(power update to 360ps from May 2011)

Audi S7 (4.0L V8 single turbo 408ps, S tronic)

Audi S6 (4.0l V8 single turbo 408ps, S tronic)(

Audi A6 3.0TDI( 3.0L V6 TDI biturbo 313ps, quattro only, S tronic)

Audi A8 4.0(4.0L V8 single turbo, 420ps, 8speed auto)

Audi S8(4.0L V8 biturbo 518ps, 8speed auto)

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

 Kreso, thanks for great info ! Some questions :

313ps TDI 3.0L for A6, will it be available for A7 as well or not ?

I'm confused about the current 3.0L V6 TFSI with SUPERCHARGER. All future engines listed above are turbo, not supercharged. Does it mean this engine has no future ? Was it just an experiment went successful, but this is it ?

Thanks!

shin:

RC:

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

 

Christian, you might have missed this part from the article I put above :

"High-end Porsche sports car to be positioned between the 911 and the upcoming 918, internally dubbed New V8 GT. This is the hottest project the Weissach wizards currently have up their sleeves. It could have much in common with the next R8 and Gallardo."

 

 Also Christian, I believe that new Porsche sportscar will not be mid-engined but front engined. Their internal codename "New V8 GT" indicates to me that it's a 2-door coupe based on a shortened wheelbase of the Panamera. In other words, the Panamera coupe.

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

This is the lowest number according to my source(zirka 510ps-530ps, nur mit S tronic). Do not forget that this is 4.0L V8, not 5.0L V10 monster with 580ps.

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

So power war finally comes to an end? 
 

The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

shin:

KresoF1:

RC:

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

Rumor that you heard may be indeed correct. New R8/Gallardo is pretty much finished on the drawing board. Even engines are known...

BTW,

For those interested in new Audi models here is the list of new versions that will be introduced till September:

Audi TTRS(power update to 360ps from May 2011)

Audi S7 (4.0L V8 single turbo 408ps, S tronic)

Audi S6 (4.0l V8 single turbo 408ps, S tronic)(

Audi A6 3.0TDI( 3.0L V6 TDI biturbo 313ps, quattro only, S tronic)

Audi A8 4.0(4.0L V8 single turbo, 420ps, 8speed auto)

Audi S8(4.0L V8 biturbo 518ps, 8speed auto)

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

 Kreso, thanks for great info ! Some questions :

 

313ps TDI 3.0L for A6, will it be available for A7 as well or not ?

I'm confused about the current 3.0L V6 TFSI with SUPERCHARGER. All future engines listed above are turbo, not supercharged. Does it mean this engine has no future ? Was it just an experiment went successful, but this is it ?

 

Thanks!

Current 3.0L V6 TFSI will continue its life in A6 and A8 with 333ps. So, 290ps version will be droped. 313ps TDI will go to A7 as well. BUT, not to A8(since there is a 4.2L V8 TDI).

shin:

shin:

RC:

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

 

Christian, you might have missed this part from the article I put above :

"High-end Porsche sports car to be positioned between the 911 and the upcoming 918, internally dubbed New V8 GT. This is the hottest project the Weissach wizards currently have up their sleeves. It could have much in common with the next R8 and Gallardo."

 

 Also Christian, I believe that new Porsche sportscar will not be mid-engined but front engined. Their internal codename "New V8 GT" indicates to me that it's a 2-door coupe based on a shortened wheelbase of the Panamera. In other words, the Panamera coupe.

Pana Coupe is on HOLD.
 

On the other hand midengine V8 GT Porsche(458 competitor) is a GO.

KresoF1:

shin:

shin:

RC:

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

 

Christian, you might have missed this part from the article I put above :

"High-end Porsche sports car to be positioned between the 911 and the upcoming 918, internally dubbed New V8 GT. This is the hottest project the Weissach wizards currently have up their sleeves. It could have much in common with the next R8 and Gallardo."

 

 Also Christian, I believe that new Porsche sportscar will not be mid-engined but front engined. Their internal codename "New V8 GT" indicates to me that it's a 2-door coupe based on a shortened wheelbase of the Panamera. In other words, the Panamera coupe.

Pana Coupe is on HOLD.
 

On the other hand midengine V8 GT Porsche(458 competitor) is a GO.

 Thanks for the correction, Kreso. So "New V8 GT" is mid-engined.

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

This is the lowest number according to my source(zirka 510ps-530ps, nur mit S tronic). Do not forget that this is 4.0L V8, not 5.0L V10 monster with 580ps.

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

So power war finally comes to an end? 
 

Yes, PS war is ended. BUT, power/weight war is starting now... New 991 will be lighter then 997.2 series. New R8 will be lighter then old one.
 

Current plan is Audi R8 as mid level mid engine sportscar with around 530ps and Porsche V8 GT as upper level mid engine sportscar with around 600ps.

KresoF1:

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

Both these V8s will be turbocharged I assume.

What about the next Gallardo? Surely, that has to have a NA engine, right?

REALZEUS:

KresoF1:

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

 

Both these V8s will be turbocharged I assume.

What about the next Gallardo? Surely, that has to have a NA engine, right?

Why?
 

Only possible engine is further development of 5.2L V10 then...

BUT...

REALZEUS:

KresoF1:

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

 

Both these V8s will be turbocharged I assume.

What about the next Gallardo? Surely, that has to have a NA engine, right?

 I thought the same thing. Gallardo successor might have 600ps like Porsche's new V8 GT, I'm thinking the differentiation should be RWD and AWD, and Turbo'ed vs NA...

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

This is the lowest number according to my source(zirka 510ps-530ps, nur mit S tronic). Do not forget that this is 4.0L V8, not 5.0L V10 monster with 580ps.

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

So power war finally comes to an end? 
 

Yes, PS war is ended. BUT, power/weight war is starting now... New 991 will be lighter then 997.2 series. New R8 will be lighter then old one.
 

Current plan is Audi R8 as mid level mid engine sportscar with around 530ps and Porsche V8 GT as upper level mid engine sportscar with around 600ps.

Give me a MP4-12C, 600 horses and light weight right from the start.
 

The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

 The funny thing is, the Porsche might end up being RWD and turbo, while the Lambo will definitely be AWD, and probably NA.

Isn't it more ideal configuration of NA + RWD, and Turbo + AWD..

The news re. Audi R8 successor was predictable once PAG gained control of the sports car development.  IMO the R8 sales suffered  from lack of PDK-style transmission, and having Porsche in control would ensure that the next-R8 would have a competitive transmission by adapting PDK to it.... but if Porsche is going this far why not produce the next mid-engine car under the Porsche label instead of Audi.     

On the other hand, maybe the front-engine coupe (the real GT or Panamera coupe), if it is resurrected,  would fit better in the Audi range... 

2010 Audi S5,  2009 Porsche 911S

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

This is the lowest number according to my source(zirka 510ps-530ps, nur mit S tronic). Do not forget that this is 4.0L V8, not 5.0L V10 monster with 580ps.

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

So power war finally comes to an end? 
 

Yes, PS war is ended. BUT, power/weight war is starting now... New 991 will be lighter then 997.2 series. New R8 will be lighter then old one.
 

Current plan is Audi R8 as mid level mid engine sportscar with around 530ps and Porsche V8 GT as upper level mid engine sportscar with around 600ps.

Give me a MP4-12C, 600 horses and light weight right from the start.
 

MP4-12C? You know how enthusiastic about it was me before? Highly.

BUT, what about that stupid doors? How reliable will it be?

Far too many unknown things IMHO.

KresoF1:

RC:

I heard a rumor that Porsche will put a R8-like model on the market sometimes around 2012 or 2013, so maybe this is the death of the Audi R8 and the birth of a new Porsche model which was supposed to actually be the next gen R8/Gallardo ?

So many weird sounding rumors coming from Porsche right now, don't even know what to believe and what not.  

Rumor that you heard may be indeed correct. New R8/Gallardo is pretty much finished on the drawing board. Even engines are known...

BTW,

For those interested in new Audi models here is the list of new versions that will be introduced till September:

Audi TTRS(power update to 360ps from May 2011)

Audi S7 (4.0L V8 single turbo 408ps, S tronic)

Audi S6 (4.0l V8 single turbo 408ps, S tronic)(

Audi A6 3.0TDI( 3.0L V6 TDI biturbo 313ps, quattro only, S tronic)

Audi A8 4.0(4.0L V8 single turbo, 420ps, 8speed auto)

Audi S8(4.0L V8 biturbo 518ps, 8speed auto)

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

 Panamera Diesel¿?? 

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

This is the lowest number according to my source(zirka 510ps-530ps, nur mit S tronic). Do not forget that this is 4.0L V8, not 5.0L V10 monster with 580ps.

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

So power war finally comes to an end? 
 

Yes, PS war is ended. BUT, power/weight war is starting now... New 991 will be lighter then 997.2 series. New R8 will be lighter then old one.
 

Current plan is Audi R8 as mid level mid engine sportscar with around 530ps and Porsche V8 GT as upper level mid engine sportscar with around 600ps.

Give me a MP4-12C, 600 horses and light weight right from the start.
 

MP4-12C? You know how enthusiastic about it was me before? Highly.

BUT, what about that stupid doors? How reliable will it be?

Far too many unknown things IMHO.

I agree with you that clear-sighted possible customers of the MP4-12C should wait at least for the first year of production of such a car, that is new in each and every aspect. Regarding the doors, I don't think they will be a reliability issue.

Stupid yes, but not unreliable.

The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

I agree with you that clear-sighted possible customers of the MP4-12C should wait at least for the first year of production of such a car, that is new in each and every aspect. Regarding the doors, I don't think they will be a reliability issue.

Stupid yes, but not unreliable.

 Easier said then done!

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

This is the lowest number according to my source(zirka 510ps-530ps, nur mit S tronic). Do not forget that this is 4.0L V8, not 5.0L V10 monster with 580ps.

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

So power war finally comes to an end? 
 

Yes, PS war is ended. BUT, power/weight war is starting now... New 991 will be lighter then 997.2 series. New R8 will be lighter then old one.
 

Current plan is Audi R8 as mid level mid engine sportscar with around 530ps and Porsche V8 GT as upper level mid engine sportscar with around 600ps.

Give me a MP4-12C, 600 horses and light weight right from the start.
 

MP4-12C? You know how enthusiastic about it was me before? Highly.

BUT, what about that stupid doors? How reliable will it be?

Far too many unknown things IMHO.

I agree with you that clear-sighted possible customers of the MP4-12C should wait at least for the first year of production of such a car, that is new in each and every aspect. Regarding the doors, I don't think they will be a reliability issue.

Stupid yes, but not unreliable.

I believe Kreso meant "how reliable the car will be".

Ziggy:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Rossi:

KresoF1:

Early 2011:

RS6 (4.0L biturbo cca 510ps, S tronic)

Only 510 PS for the RS6? 
 

This is the lowest number according to my source(zirka 510ps-530ps, nur mit S tronic). Do not forget that this is 4.0L V8, not 5.0L V10 monster with 580ps.

BTW, next R8 will have either 4.0L V8 biturbo with 530ps(with true dry sump or 4.8L V8 with 580ps(Porsche sourced engine with true dry sump)-in both cases new 7 speed DCT gearbox will be used. New AWD for haldex also...

So power war finally comes to an end? 
 

Yes, PS war is ended. BUT, power/weight war is starting now... New 991 will be lighter then 997.2 series. New R8 will be lighter then old one.
 

Current plan is Audi R8 as mid level mid engine sportscar with around 530ps and Porsche V8 GT as upper level mid engine sportscar with around 600ps.

Give me a MP4-12C, 600 horses and light weight right from the start.
 

MP4-12C? You know how enthusiastic about it was me before? Highly.

BUT, what about that stupid doors? How reliable will it be?

Far too many unknown things IMHO.

I agree with you that clear-sighted possible customers of the MP4-12C should wait at least for the first year of production of such a car, that is new in each and every aspect. Regarding the doors, I don't think they will be a reliability issue.

Stupid yes, but not unreliable.

I believe Kreso meant "how reliable the car will be".

Hmm, after reading Kreso's post again, I think you're right Ziggy.

Anyway, I already answered the reliability question.
 

The secret of life is to admire without desiring.

Read evo - they already said it 6 month ago - displacements will go down and turbo's will be all over the place....maybe in 15 years we all drive 1.4 Liter engines with 2.5 bar....  - the "turbo" will have 1.5...and the Top end Lambo a incredible 1.9... with a 2 sec KERS boost of 300 hp comming from yr connected iphone 17's power....