Feb 2, 2011 3:40:17 PM
Feb 2, 2011 4:33:16 PM
RC:
Guys, I'm just curious about how it looks because I never saw a black one. All dealers seem to have white cars. Bummer.
Doesn't matter what you say, we don't believe you anyway.
BTW, there's a very nice brown metallic GTS cab in the new Christophorus magazine. Looks absolutely gorgeous.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Feb 2, 2011 4:42:25 PM
Rossi:
RC:
Guys, I'm just curious about how it looks because I never saw a black one. All dealers seem to have white cars. Bummer.
Doesn't matter what you say, we don't believe you anyway.BTW, there's a very nice brown metallic GTS cab in the new Christophorus magazine. Looks absolutely gorgeous.
Thanks Rossi
Here is the link to the article:
Feb 2, 2011 5:40:37 PM
John H:
BTW - centre locking RS Spyder wheels look better IMHO..
--"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."
I can't decide which ones I like best for the GTS, I prefer the design of the RS Spyder wheels, but I do think they really need a spacer to fit the wide body. I get the feeling the track is a little too narrow with the RS Spyders. Does a spacer exist for centrelocks?
Feb 2, 2011 6:56:46 PM
Carlos from Spain:
Rossi:
RC:
Guys, I'm just curious about how it looks because I never saw a black one. All dealers seem to have white cars. Bummer.
Doesn't matter what you say, we don't believe you anyway.BTW, there's a very nice brown metallic GTS cab in the new Christophorus magazine. Looks absolutely gorgeous.
Thanks Rossi
Here is the link to the article:
Stunning indeed! Is the color Macadamia Metallic?
I can't decide which ones I like best for the GTS, I prefer the design of the RS Spyder wheels, but I do think they really need a spacer to fit the wide body. I get the feeling the track is a little too narrow with the RS Spyders. Does a spacer exist for centrelocks?
No, Porsche does not approve wheel spacers for the RS Spyder wheels with center lock.
More "disadvantages" of the RS Sypder wheels: You need a second winter tire wheel set if you live in regions with snow and this set costs around 6100 EUR incl. tax.
In case of a tire puncture, you need an official Porsche dealer to fix it because putting the wheel back on requires special equipment which uses exactly 500 Nm of torque, cost is around 750 EUR and it is pretty big.
On the other hand, the RS Sypder wheels look absolutely stunning.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
My comment in the pictures I posted above was referring to 'appearance' and we have no need for winter tyres in the UK.
What does concern me is your reference to €750 being the cost for putting a wheel back on...
What does this cover? I mean.. just the labour for one wheel, labour for one wheel including the cost of a tyre, labour for 4 wheels?
Please could you enlarge...thank you.
"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."
I believe he is referring to the cost of the tool that is needed for securing the centre lock nut.
If is the same as on the GT3, you'll need a torque wrench which is capable of torques up to 550Nm. These tools are quite long and quite expensive. Additionally, the wheel must be in the air when secured so you need a second person who sits on the brakes (at least for the front wheels). It is a major PITA, especially if you want to remove them for cleaning.
On top of that, Porsche issued an service bulletin for the GT3s which states that you have to "grease" the nut with Optimoly or a similar product and increase the torque before track usage (and decrease afterwards again)...
Overall, while the centre lock wheels look terrific, that does not compensate enough for the disadvantages that come with them (for people that go to the track or want to remove their wheels themselfes for cleaning, etc...)
Matt C
2009 997 GT3 Mk2 / 1988 911 3.2 Conv.
Matt C:
I believe he is referring to the cost of the tool that is needed for securing the centre lock nut.
If is the same as on the GT3, you'll need a torque wrench which is capable of torques up to 550Nm. These tools are quite long and quite expensive. Additionally, the wheel must be in the air when secured so you need a second person who sits on the brakes (at least for the front wheels). It is a major PITA, especially if you want to remove them for cleaning.
On top of that, Porsche issued an service bulletin for the GT3s which states that you have to "grease" the nut with Optimoly or a similar product and increase the torque before track usage (and decrease afterwards again)...
Overall, while the centre lock wheels look terrific, that does not compensate enough for the disadvantages that come with them (for people that go to the track or want to remove their wheels themselfes for cleaning, etc...)
Very well said. Thank you.
RC (Germany) - Rennteam Editor Porsche 997 Turbo, BMW X5 M, BMW M3 Cab DKG, Mini Cooper S JCW
Feb 3, 2011 11:52:55 AM
It's funny - the centre lock design was supposed to make the GT3 more like wheels used in motorsport - but given the disadvantages and hassle involved, it appears to have created the opposite result
RT Moderator - 997.1 C2S GT Silver/Cocoa, -20mm sports suspension/LSD, PSE, short shifter, SportDesign rims, Zuffenhausen collection
Matt C:
I believe he is referring to the cost of the tool that is needed for securing the centre lock nut.
If is the same as on the GT3, you'll need a torque wrench which is capable of torques up to 550Nm. These tools are quite long and quite expensive. Additionally, the wheel must be in the air when secured so you need a second person who sits on the brakes (at least for the front wheels). It is a major PITA, especially if you want to remove them for cleaning.
On top of that, Porsche issued an service bulletin for the GT3s which states that you have to "grease" the nut with Optimoly or a similar product and increase the torque before track usage (and decrease afterwards again)...
Overall, while the centre lock wheels look terrific, that does not compensate enough for the disadvantages that come with them (for people that go to the track or want to remove their wheels themselfes for cleaning, etc...)
Thanks Matt for clearing that up...phew! I beginning to worry!
The old problem - lost in translation..
"Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."
Hi RC. I saw a black/lblack GTS cab recently at a Florida dealer. It had ceramics, lots of other options, and cost well over $140K, I honestly did not like the color combo--white would be much better--and for that price I would much prefer a Panamera Turbo. To me the GTS emphasizes sport, and a white coupe fits that image far better.