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Jan 10, 2011 7:39:14 PM

beltar: Veteran; Loc: belgium , Belgium; Posts: 1232, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 15, 2005; Reply to: fritz

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

to me: it looks great! A giant designstep.

I would have liked to see more of this in the 991.

The slight evolution of the 991 made me decide not to place an order for the new one. I'd rather wait and buy a used one. When you have a pile of money to spend it's not a problem.

I find the evolution not strong enough to make such an investment.

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Jan 10, 2011 7:46:15 PM

Joost: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Dordrecht , Netherlands; Posts: 8055, Gallery; Registered on: May 3, 2004; Reply to: beltar

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BTW, what is with the sponsors on the Detroit car?!? Does that mean that the car was co-financed by the sponsor companies?

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Jan 10, 2011 7:55:55 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Joost

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Absolutely stunning design! a great combination of sportiness, technology, and elegance in the design.

Now as Fritz says, lets hope the real race version also performs as good as it looks.

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Jan 10, 2011 7:59:49 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

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on the Ring...it will fly!

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Jan 10, 2011 9:00:43 PM

Alex18_996CC: Rennteam Master; Loc: Madrid , Spain; Posts: 3218, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 13, 2004; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

I'm speechless

Bravo to Porsche once again !..... I don't know if some of the styling and interior parts or design in any aspect has something to do with the 991....but the future is really promising for Porsche !

I love it !

Can't wait to listen to that exhaust note !!

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Jan 10, 2011 9:06:45 PM

ResB: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Yorkshire, where roads are twisty... , United Kingdom; Posts: 2858, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 19, 2006; Reply to: Alex18_996CC

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That is STUNNINGLY beautiful.

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Jan 10, 2011 9:17:11 PM

DJC: Junior; Loc: fl USA and South Africa , United States; Posts: 126, Gallery; Registered on: May 24, 2005; Reply to: ResB

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

The resemblance to the 904 is unbelievable!,

especially from the side,and the rear window

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Jan 10, 2011 9:21:33 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5886, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: ResB

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

Porsche 918 RSR revealed in Detroit...

Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Jan 10, 2011 9:22:40 PM

easy_rider911: Rennteam VIP; Loc: London , United Kingdom; Posts: 22190, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 8, 2004; Reply to: DJC

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The more I look at this car, the more tasteful it looks. Porsche has come up with a real beauty. I hope I'm lucky enough to see a 918 Spyder or 918 RSR in the flesh one day :)

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Jan 10, 2011 9:50:39 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: easy_rider911

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Wow, i am blown away. It's the most beautiful racecar ever. So nice and so much Porsche DNA all over with a high modern take. What a great effort from Porsche. Thank god they know that they have to continue building the best race cars alongside their road going sports cars. So happy to see Porsche go this high-tech direction with a flare of history... The car is stunning. I'm already excited to go see how it will develop and perform in real world conditions. And then of course we will see a street version, but not below $400,000 haha.

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Jan 10, 2011 10:27:00 PM

Porker: Rennteam VIP; Loc: SZ , Switzerland; Posts: 7062, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 17, 2005; Reply to: Alex18_996CC

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Alex18_996CC:

Can't wait to listen to that exhaust note !!

I assume the exhaust note won't be any different to the RS Spyder's, given it's the same engine, so here you go!

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Jan 10, 2011 11:06:52 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5886, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Porker

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Porsche 918 RSR at 2011 Detroit Auto Show with Inside Line...

Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Jan 10, 2011 11:10:14 PM

Boxster Coupe GTS: Rennteam Master; Loc: UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 5886, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 23, 2005; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

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Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Jan 10, 2011 11:43:53 PM

Monster: Junior; Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada; Posts: 107, Gallery; Registered on: Dec 15, 2003; Reply to: Boxster Coupe GTS

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Nice design but this Porsche must be judged on race track.

Has Porsche committed it to any race yet?

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Jan 11, 2011 12:03:02 AM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: Monster

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Look famiiar? This is Jo Siffert at Watkins Glen in the early 1970's...earea

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Jan 11, 2011 5:38:48 AM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: Wonderbar

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

Why do you consider this design retro? It is far from looking like a 917. Besides the 917 had a boxer engine this one has a V8.

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Jan 11, 2011 7:48:59 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: ADias

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Yes, I'm not completely sold on the resemblance between the 918 and the 917. (besides some specific design cues such as the engine bay, the engine fan and the slats on the front fenders. I see a lot more 904, Ford GT40 and Ferrari 430: but as William Blake put it : there is the known and the unknown; in between lie the doors of perception. (not exact quote)

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Jan 11, 2011 7:57:52 AM

d997h: Expert; Loc: . , Germany; Posts: 1810, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 24, 2005; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Nice car, indeed... - and then..., when I think of it, what tiny little bit of that they could have contributed to the Cayman R...an opportunity forgone....

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Jan 11, 2011 9:26:42 AM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: d997h

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

According to DSC (Daily Sports Car) - a reputable source for sports car racing, it seems very likely indeed that Porsche will be requesting the ‘56^th’ slot for the 24 Hours of Le Mans where the ACO have promised a slot to a car displaying green technologies. Unless some one else pops up with something more convincing, it seems we may see this car at Le Mans in 2011 (Six months away)

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Jan 11, 2011 10:14:47 AM

WAY: Rennteam Master; Loc: Melbourne, Australia; Posts: 3344, Gallery; Registered on: May 11, 2004; Reply to: Spyderidol

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Wow, give us a road version of it Porsche!

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Jan 11, 2011 10:15:09 AM

J.Seven: Rennteam Master; Loc: Estoril , Portugal; Posts: 3201, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 16, 2002; Reply to: beltar

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Porsche is finaly ahead of competition. This car has it all, amazing design, technology and lots of Drama like a proper exotic should have.

Ever since the 997 Porsche started to put them selves way ahead of competition, The Carrera S with "only" 385Hp, performed like a 420Hp car, then the Turbo S,GT3RS, GT2 RS came out showing how far they could go with this platform, and now this retro beauty full of soul...simply amazing Smiley

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Jan 11, 2011 12:40:02 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

Spyderidol:

According to DSC (Daily Sports Car) - a reputable source for sports car racing, it seems very likely indeed that Porsche will be requesting the ‘56^th’ slot for the 24 Hours of Le Mans where the ACO have promised a slot to a car displaying green technologies. Unless some one else pops up with something more convincing, it seems we may see this car at Le Mans in 2011 (Six months away)

6 mo. away! Smiley I would have thought 2 years MIMNIMUM until they had a working version, but months would be fantastic. This is supposed to be a concept right now, how can they get it done so quickly Smiley

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Jan 11, 2011 1:05:31 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

Carlos - I don't think this is just a concept. The car works. It may be "conceptual" in terms of a production road going car, but as far as a racing car goes, I think it is pretty much ready. (there will obviously be alterations made to the "real" race car in relation to this show car)

The hybrid system is the same as that used in the GT3 R (although further developed). The engine is an evolution of the tried and tested RS Spyder (same with the gearbox), and so there is no reason to believe that this car will not be ready for some track action very soon indeed.

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Jan 11, 2011 1:15:49 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: Spyderidol

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

Maybe you are right, I guess that developing a racing version is not that difficult or legthly process as developing a street production version like the 918 Spyder which needs to be fully reliable and usable, pass DOT tests and regulations, have al the gizmos, produced in numbers, etc.

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Jan 11, 2011 1:22:49 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

Carlos from Spain:

Spyderidol:

According to DSC (Daily Sports Car) - a reputable source for sports car racing, it seems very likely indeed that Porsche will be requesting the ‘56^th’ slot for the 24 Hours of Le Mans where the ACO have promised a slot to a car displaying green technologies. Unless some one else pops up with something more convincing, it seems we may see this car at Le Mans in 2011 (Six months away)

6 mo. away! I would have thought 2 years MIMNIMUM until they had a working version, but months would be fantastic. This is supposed to be a concept right now, how can they get it done so quickly

It doesn't take as long to develop a racing car, so that racing a car within 6 months of having "fixed" the concept is quite feasible. The race itself is the test of the car.
If the car is not reliable or competitive, you just lose the race.

Developing a road car, on the other hand, has to take much longer. It has to be tested and developed to ensure it is reliable and "foolproof" before it gets into the hands of the customer. You also need much more time to manufacture and fine-tune the production tooling and manufacturing facilities, prepare documentation and literature, obtain type approvals and certification, etc., etc..
If a production car is not reliable or competitive, you could lose the company.

PS: You beat me to it. Smiley

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Jan 11, 2011 1:31:55 PM

Spyderidol: Rennteam Master; Loc: Mozambique; Posts: 5807, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 25, 2007; Reply to: fritz

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I love the way that Porsche are doing this.

They start off with a hybrid system in the tried and tested 911. It works well, but the distance (in terms of design) between a 911 and a LMP1 car is enormous so they decide to move one step closer.

They now place the tried and tested hybrid system into a mid-engined car (closer in design to a LMP car) and use an evolution of a race winning LMP engine.

It's a smart, methodical way of doing things.

By the time they get around to building the LMP1 hybrid, all systems will have been thoroughly race tested and developed.

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Jan 11, 2011 2:00:20 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21152, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: fritz

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

fritz:

Carlos from Spain:

Spyderidol:

According to DSC (Daily Sports Car) - a reputable source for sports car racing, it seems very likely indeed that Porsche will be requesting the ‘56^th’ slot for the 24 Hours of Le Mans where the ACO have promised a slot to a car displaying green technologies. Unless some one else pops up with something more convincing, it seems we may see this car at Le Mans in 2011 (Six months away)

6 mo. away! I would have thought 2 years MIMNIMUM until they had a working version, but months would be fantastic. This is supposed to be a concept right now, how can they get it done so quickly

It doesn't take as long to develop a racing car, so that racing a car within 6 months of having "fixed" the concept is quite feasible. The race itself is the test of the car.
If the car is not reliable or competitive, you just lose the race.

Developing a road car, on the other hand, has to take much longer. It has to be tested and developed to ensure it is reliable and "foolproof" before it gets into the hands of the customer. You also need much more time to manufacture and fine-tune the production tooling and manufacturing facilities, prepare documentation and literature, obtain type approvals and certification, etc., etc..
If a production car is not reliable or competitive, you could lose the company.

PS: You beat me to it.

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I was just thinking out loud for an explanation of why they could be racing so quickly after the concept introduction, but from reading your post I see I wasn't that far off! Smiley Smiley

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Jan 11, 2011 5:43:34 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2719, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: ADias

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

I don't consider the 918's design to be retro at all. It is fabulous. But I can sure see the evolution of its design from many earlier Porsches--the 904GTS and the 917 as examples. In the first Edmonds video, the front half of the new 918 looks (to me) very much like the front of the 917. And in the second Edmonds video, a 917 is clearly presented as part of the 918 concept evolution. I understand that a lot of marketing is going on, and that the number 22 of the LeMans winning 917 and the new 918 is a bit gimmicky, but sure seems (to me, at least) there is some definite similarity of design evolution.

On the 917 engine, I think I recall that it was a boxer 12, not a V8. Basically two racing boxer sixes joined together. Later the engine was turbocharged, developing over 1000 HP.

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Jan 11, 2011 6:28:42 PM

ResB: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Yorkshire, where roads are twisty... , United Kingdom; Posts: 2858, Gallery; Registered on: Jan 19, 2006; Reply to: Wonderbar

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My new Desktop pic...

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Jan 11, 2011 6:55:20 PM

ADias: Rennteam Pro; Loc: Southwest USA , United States; Posts: 2495, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 9, 2004; Reply to: Wonderbar

Re: 2011 Detroit Auto Show | 'Spectacular' Porsche concept debut

Wonderbar:

I don't consider the 918's design to be retro at all. It is fabulous. But I can sure see the evolution of its design from many earlier Porsches--the 904GTS and the 917 as examples. In the first Edmonds video, the front half of the new 918 looks (to me) very much like the front of the 917. And in the second Edmonds video, a 917 is clearly presented as part of the 918 concept evolution. I understand that a lot of marketing is going on, and that the number 22 of the LeMans winning 917 and the new 918 is a bit gimmicky, but sure seems (to me, at least) there is some definite similarity of design evolution.

On the 917 engine, I think I recall that it was a boxer 12, not a V8. Basically two racing boxer sixes joined together. Later the engine was turbocharged, developing over 1000 HP.

That's what I think. I would have preferred a flat-8 or a flat-12 instead of the V8 though.

And to the possible Le Mans run. Of course the car is ready. This is not a street car which requires a long development car. Weissach has long tested individual components and grouped components long ago.

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