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Dec 2, 2010 2:35:09 PM

Carrageous: Veteran; Loc: Austin, TX , United States; Posts: 1197, Gallery; Registered on: Sep 5, 2003; Reply to: John H

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

John H:

Carrageous:

Pandora? Imagine what happens when you open her up.

Pandoraboxster??

With a big surprise in the rear end. Smiley

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Dec 2, 2010 3:40:03 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2730, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Have performance figures been published for Panamera Turbo powerkit?

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Dec 2, 2010 3:45:27 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59598, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: Wonderbar

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Wonderbar:

Have performance figures been published for Panamera Turbo powerkit?

I don't think so and due to the weather over here, I wasn't able to actually do much with this car. Smiley Don't expect much improvement from 0-100 kph but 0-200 kph acceleration time improves by aprox. one second. The powerkit isn't something you really miss on the Panamera Turbo but if money isn't really an issue, it can't hurt either. Smiley

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Dec 2, 2010 4:22:58 PM

Wonderbar: Rennteam Pro; Loc: usa , France; Posts: 2730, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 31, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

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The Turbo Powerkit features two new, lighter turbos for improved engine response. In order to boost output from the Panamera Turbo's 4.8-liter, twin-turbocharged V-8, Porsche opted to swap out turbochargers. For even better response, the engine control unit has also been updated, for total output of 540 horsepower and 553 pound-feet of torque -- increases of 40 and 37, respectively. When equipped with the Sport Chrono Package, torque rises to 590 pound-feet in Sport Plus mode.
With the boost in power and torque, Porsche claims the Panamera Turbo will run from 0 to 62 mph in 3.9 seconds, around 0.1 second faster than the standard Panamera Turbo. Top speed also rises by 2 mph to 190 mph.

All this speed doesn't come cheap. The Turbo Powerkit and its 40 horsepower bump will retail for $21,730 when it becomes available next month. It will be optional on all 2011 Panamera Turbos, and will be offered as a retrofit this November

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Dec 3, 2010 11:17:09 AM

4trac: Expert; Loc: SK , Canada; Posts: 1920, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 6, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

When she realized that the Panamera has four seats only (I told her before but wifes never really listen ), she is done with it.

Like I said...wifes.

RC - maybe you mis-understood her... maybe she meant that besides the X5, she needs something with LESS than four seats for social occasions with special people like you.... ie. the Panamera-2 door (which neatly brings us back on topic... Smiley )

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Dec 3, 2010 8:15:28 PM

Conny997: Expert; Loc: Munich , Germany; Posts: 1682, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: RC

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

RC:

Well...wifes...today she told me, that she wants to take over my X5 M lease when it ends in 2 1/2 years. We have a lot of snow in Bavaria right now and her M3 Cab drives her nuts.

I bet that in a couple of months, she wants something completely different.

I actually plan to give her the X5 M...when the lease ends but I want to get myself a Porsche again, very likely the 991 Carrera S, maybe the Cab. Time will tell.

When she realized that the Panamera has four seats only (I told her before but wifes never really listen ), she is done with it.

Like I said...wifes.

If one pursues your posts then your wife seems to change her opinion daily. Smiley
Not kinda simple job for you. But believe me, I know what you're talking about...
Smiley

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Dec 3, 2010 8:27:47 PM

John H: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom; Posts: 7682, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 20, 2005; Reply to: Conny997

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Hormones... hormones...

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Dec 3, 2010 11:42:15 PM

Atzporsche: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Vancouver , Canada; Posts: 9118, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 7, 2005; Reply to: John H

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Well when she looks this stunning, i'd be ok with her changing her mind every hour

RC, you're a lucky bloke

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Dec 4, 2010 7:55:57 AM

Lars997: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: South , Germany; Posts: 9448, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 8, 2002; Reply to: Atzporsche

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

My wife loved the Panamera from the first moment. She tells me continuously she wants one. Somehow it would make much more sense as the Carrera. As you all know I complained dozens of times about the space and that on weekends I either have to carry the family or my golf bags, neither of them I can do with the Carrera. So... I guess she is getting me weak If there wouldnt be the announcement of the new 911 next year I think I would have already ordered an Panamera but damn... a new 911 is a must have

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Dec 4, 2010 11:38:24 AM

Conny997: Expert; Loc: Munich , Germany; Posts: 1682, Gallery; Registered on: Jun 1, 2006; Reply to: Lars997

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Lars997:
My wife loved the Panamera from the first moment. She tells me continuously she wants one. Somehow it would make much more sense as the Carrera. As you all know I complained dozens of times about the space and that on weekends I either have to carry the family or my golf bags, neither of them I can do with the Carrera. So... I guess she is getting me weak If there wouldnt be the announcement of the new 911 next year I think I would have already ordered an Panamera but damn... a new 911 is a must have

There's no contradiction so far as I can see: Panamera and 911 are not comparable, they represent different concepts. One as a sportscar the other as a limo ( a slightly sporty one). In my case I could imagine to substitute the X5M with the Panamera, but not the 911. Just my opinion :-)
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Dec 4, 2010 11:41:47 AM

reginos: Rennteam VIP; Loc: Nicosia , Cyprus; Posts: 12130, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 20, 2005; Reply to: Conny997

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Conny997:
I could imagine to substitute the X5M with the Panamera, but not the 911. Just my opinion :-)

IMO for the 911 there is no substitute. If you are hooked to its feel there is no other sports car. This doesn't mean there are no other excellent sportscars but nothing similar.

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Dec 5, 2010 11:24:55 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59598, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: reginos

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

In my opinion, Porsche made a huge mistake by designing the Panamera as a 4-seater only. I personally know two couples who refrained from buying one because of that. When you have two kids, it is a no-go. Simple reason for that: just imagine my wife drives around with the two kids but needs to take another woman and her kid or her (my wife's) parents with her when they visit us. It happens pretty often, we always need five seats and this is why the X6 M was a no-go either.

I heard however some chatter from Weissach that Porsche is (or was ?) testing a 5-seat Panamera, so maybe...who knows ?!

Let's hope that the new 911, the 991, gets more head room in the rear as rumored by many sources. This could be a solution for my "dilemma" on which car to get next year or the year after that.

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Dec 5, 2010 12:03:48 PM

Carlos from Spain: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Spain. , Spain; Posts: 21155, Gallery; Registered on: Feb 9, 2003; Reply to: RC

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

I don't know what was the reason for not designing the Panamera as an optional 4 or 5 seater from the start, this way they would sell to both target groups, there are many people who would of bought the Panamera but the 4 seater only was a deal braker.

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Dec 5, 2010 10:48:00 PM

SciFrog: Rennteam VIP; Loc: USA , United States; Posts: 9870, Gallery; Registered on: Nov 15, 2005; Reply to: Carlos from Spain

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Agreed, 5 seater in a sedan or SUV is a no go.

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Dec 7, 2010 6:43:17 AM

palenimbus: Expert; Loc: Baden-Württemberg, Germany; Posts: 1824, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 6, 2004; Reply to: SciFrog

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

I read on rennteam the reason was that the rear passangers in the panamera sit so low that the drive shaft goes where the middle seat would be.

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Dec 7, 2010 8:07:37 AM

intouch1: Rennteam Master; Loc: Red Sea , Egypt; Posts: 5752, Gallery; Registered on: May 22, 2004; Reply to: palenimbus

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

if they wanted they could have solved it.

i guess it goes back to strict market research decisions that they probably think most buyers are at an advanced age where the kids will have left the house.

or that a panamera owner will also have a ute for driving around the family.

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Dec 7, 2010 11:43:49 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: intouch1

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

The Panamera is a high end luxus car and for that reason you don´t need 3 seats in the rear. I have two cars with 2 seats in the rear and my family really enjoy the two rear-seats (cars). If someone need five seats in the car then there are so many other cars out there with five seats. Having a three seats in the Panamera would destroy the elegant line (interiour) and would destroy the high class rear seats. It is luxus to sit in the same seat in rear as in front.

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Dec 7, 2010 12:24:20 PM

Misha011: Veteran; Loc: Dubai , United Arab Emirates; Posts: 1234, Gallery; Registered on: Oct 28, 2007; Reply to: ALDO

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Smiley Smiley

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Dec 7, 2010 12:38:56 PM

hugo: Pilot; Loc: Ro , Romania; Posts: 369, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 4, 2007; Reply to: Misha011

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Smiley Smiley Smiley

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Dec 7, 2010 12:47:21 PM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59598, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

ALDO:

The Panamera is a high end luxus car and for that reason you don´t need 3 seats in the rear. I have two cars with 2 seats in the rear and my family really enjoy the two rear-seats (cars). If someone need five seats in the car then there are so many other cars out there with five seats. Having a three seats in the Panamera would destroy the elegant line (interiour) and would destroy the high class rear seats. It is luxus to sit in the same seat in rear as in front.

Yes and no. I still think that the Panamera would appeal to a broader customer range with a third seat in the rear.

The decision about a rear 3-seats option should be made soon but I have no indication whatsoever of the outcome.

The Coupe is definitely getting two rear seats only.

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Dec 19, 2010 4:50:30 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: RC

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Dec 19, 2010 5:06:48 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14180, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: RC

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

RC:

ALDO:

The Panamera is a high end luxus car and for that reason you don´t need 3 seats in the rear. I have two cars with 2 seats in the rear and my family really enjoy the two rear-seats (cars). If someone need five seats in the car then there are so many other cars out there with five seats. Having a three seats in the Panamera would destroy the elegant line (interiour) and would destroy the high class rear seats. It is luxus to sit in the same seat in rear as in front.

Yes and no. I still think that the Panamera would appeal to a broader customer range with a third seat in the rear.

The decision about a rear 3-seats option should be made soon but I have no indication whatsoever of the outcome.

The Coupe is definitely getting two rear seats only.

I agree with RC. Having only two seats at the back , makes it a no-no for families with more then one or two kids. And for instance, as strange as it seem, most of my wealthy friends, including myself, have 3 kids .

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Dec 19, 2010 5:17:26 PM

Ron (Houston): Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Houston, TX , United States; Posts: 8812, Gallery; Registered on: Apr 10, 2002; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Gnil,
There are so many nice cars that I would love to have but the 2 seat in the back is a show stopper for me too, 3 boys and 2 seats Smiley . Is anyone willing to adopt a well behaved boy? Smiley

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Dec 19, 2010 10:03:50 PM

Gnil: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland; Posts: 14180, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 11, 2005; Reply to: Ron (Houston)

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Ron (Houston):

Gnil,
There are so many nice cars that I would love to have but the 2 seat in the back is a show stopper for me too, 3 boys and 2 seats . Is anyone willing to adopt a well behaved boy?

Ron, I also have 3 boys and will put one gladly on the market too Smiley

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Dec 20, 2010 7:33:24 AM

ALDO: Rennteam Moderator; Loc: Germany, Black Forrest , Germany; Posts: 3078, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 2, 2003; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Gnil:

Ron (Houston):

Gnil,
There are so many nice cars that I would love to have but the 2 seat in the back is a show stopper for me too, 3 boys and 2 seats . Is anyone willing to adopt a well behaved boy?

Ron, I also have 3 boys and will put one gladly on the market too

Sorry no, I have only two seats in the rear :)

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Dec 20, 2010 11:30:27 AM

RC: Rennteam Administrator; Loc: Rennteam HQ , Germany; Posts: 59598, Gallery; Registered on: Mar 26, 2002; Reply to: ALDO

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

ALDO:

Sorry no, I have only two seats in the rear :)

Good excuse. Smiley

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Dec 20, 2010 12:54:17 PM

fritz: Rennteam VIP; Loc: BaWü , Germany; Posts: 10248, Gallery; Registered on: Jul 23, 2003; Reply to: Gnil

Re: Panamera Coupe Rumor - Coupe but not Panamera ?

Gnil:

Ron (Houston):

Gnil,
There are so many nice cars that I would love to have but the 2 seat in the back is a show stopper for me too, 3 boys and 2 seats . Is anyone willing to adopt a well behaved boy?

Ron, I also have 3 boys and will put one gladly on the market too

Is either of them any good at polishing exhaust pipes? Smiley

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