Nov 21, 2010 11:00:35 PM
Definitely better than the bubble-back look of the '80s Carreras and the '90s 964s. A much more integrated design aft the cockpit. Looks cleaner.
That's a great color, too.
But the best looking 997? Not sure I can agree with you there.
"When you design a car around the customer's wishes, you get cup holders. When you design a car around innovative thinking, you get a Porsche."
Nov 22, 2010 2:43:55 AM
btw, what is it with the black rims around the headlight clusters? I saw that on the sportcalssic too, and I thought on another "special" model as well... It is also mentioned in the promotional material... is there any reference to the past or so? To me, it looks like a car with a black eye, really stupid feature, designed by marketeers to set a non-special model apart from the normal models...
Nov 22, 2010 11:03:26 AM
Carrageous:
Definitely better than the bubble-back look of the '80s Carreras and the '90s 964s. A much more integrated design aft the cockpit. Looks cleaner.
That's a great color, too.
But the best looking 997? Not sure I can agree with you there.
When I say the best looking 997, I´m refering to general stunning shape this car has, I love it.
As to those little "pimp" design bits, oh well, it´s Porsche we´re talking here, what would you expect !!! they always have it on their special editions cars, in this particular case, I could leave with it easy
993Targa:
Matt C:
They forgot the 964 Speedster (and if memory serves me right, there were even some unique 993 Speedsters)
Yes Jerry Seinfeld ordered a 993 speedster and Ferdi Porsche had one as well.
This is Jerry's wide body speedster:
Made a quick search on 993 Speedster shots and found this. What an amazing great looking car
J.Seven
If memory serves me right, there were almost no "real" 993 speedsters. There was one for sale in the netherlands recently, which was "just" a 964 speedster with 993 bodyparts to make it look like a 993 speedster.
The two pictures above also have a certain amount of fishyness to them, since the wheels are not original, the hips are different, front bumpers are different...
Joost:
If memory serves me right, there were almost no "real" 993 speedsters. There was one for sale in the netherlands recently, which was "just" a 964 speedster with 993 bodyparts to make it look like a 993 speedster.
The two pictures above also have a certain amount of fishyness to them, since the wheels are not original, the hips are different, front bumpers are different...
The 993 Speedster was never official in the program, but Porsche built 2 cars.
One for Jerry Seinfeld (pic above) and one for Alexander Porsche´s 60th birthday as a present. I have seen the car in Munich years ago - it had a dark green color.
Blueflame
Quite a few 993 Speedsters have been built from 964 spare parts, based on the convertible models. Here is a very nice example on Rennlist. I agree that it is a model Porsche left out on the 993 lineup and I can only assume that they did not assume enough interest for it.
I find the 997 Speedster to be a very good idea to start with but lately Porsche focusses more on marketing than on substance. Just as on the Cayman R, I would appreciate a different name as it does not carry anything over from previous models than the two-seater layout and the lowered silhouette. Despite weight saving components the car is just as heavy as a regular Carrera S convertible and I stick to my belief that enough people would´ve appreciated a more basic approach, relying on an entirly manually operated roof mechanism, stripped out interior with manual gearbox and basic radio, an a/c delete option etc. Let the customer decide whether he wants the full comfort or a minimalistic car.
That said, I do have to say that the pricetag on the Speedster is easier to justify than on the Sport Classic.
DaveC:
All I see in these photos is that the 911 keeps getting bigger and bigger. Our local dealer has one Speedster allocated and they have no takers so far.
That's because people keep getting bigger and bigger.
IMHO, Porsche (and maybe the Mazda Miata) have done a relatively good job at managing model bloat.
Look at how gianormous the F got from the 308 > 430, before they finally re-shrunk it to 355 proportions w/the 458.
...the only thing stopping you in all likelihood, is you!
Heist:
DaveC:
All I see in these photos is that the 911 keeps getting bigger and bigger. Our local dealer has one Speedster allocated and they have no takers so far.
That's because people keep getting bigger and bigger.
IMHO, Porsche (and maybe the Mazda Miata) have done a relatively good job at managing model bloat.
Look at how gianormous the F got from the 308 > 430, before they finally re-shrunk it to 355 proportions w/the 458.
Absolutely agree about the F-cars, just one thing: 458 isn't any smaller than the 430, in fact it is even a bit bigger. It's also heavier than the F430.
The only thing Ferrari achieved with the new car, that its gorgeous looks make it appear smaller, but in reality it isn't.
The secret of life is to admire without desiring.
Rossi:
Heist:
DaveC:
All I see in these photos is that the 911 keeps getting bigger and bigger. Our local dealer has one Speedster allocated and they have no takers so far.
That's because people keep getting bigger and bigger.
IMHO, Porsche (and maybe the Mazda Miata) have done a relatively good job at managing model bloat.
Look at how gianormous the F got from the 308 > 430, before they finally re-shrunk it to 355 proportions w/the 458.
Absolutely agree about the F-cars, just one thing: 458 isn't any smaller than the 430, in fact it is even a bit bigger. It's also heavier than the F430.The only thing Ferrari achieved with the new car, that its gorgeous looks make it appear smaller, but in reality it isn't.
Wow! Didn't know that! I haven't had the privilege of seeing a 458 in the flesh so I could only go by what pictures I saw, and in the pictures it looked smaller than the F430.
You may want to check your stats on the weights though - I believe the 458 is lighter than the F430.
...the only thing stopping you in all likelihood, is you!