Crown

Board: Porsche Language: English Region: Worldwide Share/Save/Bookmark Close

Forum - Thread

    Sep 30, 2010 3:59:31 PM

    Fuchwheeler Offline
    Junior
    Fuchwheeler
    Loc: Sg , Singapore
    Posts: 74, Gallery
    Registered on: May 29, 2010
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    my own take is that Porsche will introduce whatever 4c engine (if any) on boxster or cayman but not the 911. 911s are really for the diehard Porsche fans who understand the steep heritage of the iconic 3 numbers. To put a 4C engine (when everyone else is maintaining or enhancing capacity into their sportscars - 458, new bentley, new aston, california, maserati, r8, lpXXX, etc)  into 911 will destroy what Porsche builds overnight.

    The only exception would be a superior hybrid drivetrain ala Spyder 912, to accompany a lower C engine. But hybrids for what I know are still expensive tech now. *check out the price they are charging for the Lithium batteries for the RS*.

    But, seriously Porsche should just at the minimum evolve its 3.6/3.8/4.0 engines and not go below 3.0.


    --

    997.2 PDK C2S

    997.1 Tip C2S

    14 cars, 2 boats and counting...

    Sep 30, 2010 6:57:59 PM

    Atzporsche
    Rennteam VIP
    Atzporsche
    Loc: Vancouver , Canada
    Posts: 9118, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 7, 2005
    Reply to: Fuchwheeler

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Well perhaps the range will include the GTS from the beginning

    Carrera 3.0L 4C

    Carrera S 3.4L 6C

    Carrera GTS 3.6L 6C

    GT3 3.8L  6C

    GT3 RS 4.0L 6C


    --

    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 

    Sep 30, 2010 7:23:08 PM

    Carlos from SpainM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Carlos from Spain
    Loc: Spain. , Spain
    Posts: 21152, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 9, 2003
    Reply to: Atzporsche

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    A 3.4L or even 3.0L 4 cylinder would not make sense, that is 6 cylinder displacement territory and they already have a spanking new DFI engine with that size. If its a 4 cylinder it would have to be a 2.5L tops to be efficient, with turbocharging to reach the needed HP figures.

    Also I would love for them to offer a GTS version right at the start, that would be the idela car for me, but knowing Porsche, they will leave that again for the end of the production life of the 991 to maintain sales at that stage. And if the do offer it sooner, it will carry a premium then, which will render it the same deal as a equally optioned CarreraS. Its one or the other.


    --

    Sep 30, 2010 9:11:32 PM

    J.Seven
    Rennteam Master
    J.Seven
    Loc: Estoril , Portugal
    Posts: 3201, Gallery
    Registered on: Sep 16, 2002
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    I could easily take the Cayenne, then the Cayenne Diesel was a natural smart move, the Panamera...well ok, an entry level model below Boxster I´ll take it too, but with some hard pain...now a 4C 911 is something beyond real, and totally BS, Porsche would never make it, it would be the Crime of the Century in car industry. I don´t even understand why so many Rennteam long term posters who know Porsche for years are taking this rumor siriously Smiley

    J.Seven

    Sep 30, 2010 10:15:14 PM

    Monster
    Junior
    Monster
    Loc: Toronto, Canada , Canada
    Posts: 107, Gallery
    Registered on: Dec 15, 2003
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Carlos from Spain:

    A 3.4L or even 3.0L 4 cylinder would not make sense, that is 6 cylinder displacement territory and they already have a spanking new DFI engine with that size. If its a 4 cylinder it would have to be a 2.5L tops to be efficient, with turbocharging to reach the needed HP figures.

    Also I would love for them to offer a GTS version right at the start, that would be the idela car for me, but knowing Porsche, they will leave that again for the end of the production life of the 991 to maintain sales at that stage. And if the do offer it sooner, it will carry a premium then, which will render it the same deal as a equally optioned CarreraS. Its one or the other.


    Yap, a 4C larger than 3.0L is quite rough.


    --

    93' Guard Red 968 Coupe

    Sep 30, 2010 11:43:31 PM

    Carlos from SpainM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Carlos from Spain
    Loc: Spain. , Spain
    Posts: 21152, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 9, 2003
    Reply to: Monster

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     The only applications I can think of in today's cars are only in diesel engines like in 4x4's for that reason.


    --

    Oct 1, 2010 1:18:34 AM

    nina Offline
    Newbie
    nina
    Loc: USA , United States
    Posts: 24, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 18, 2009
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     Remember this is no longer Porsche but VW. Look at their line of engines. The best part is that the CO2 theories have all been debunked including the hockey stick chart. It's more to control of the people and force you to drive these new crappy engines.

    Oct 1, 2010 4:43:06 AM

    Atzporsche
    Rennteam VIP
    Atzporsche
    Loc: Vancouver , Canada
    Posts: 9118, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 7, 2005
    Reply to: Monster

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Monster:
    Carlos from Spain:

    A 3.4L or even 3.0L 4 cylinder would not make sense, that is 6 cylinder displacement territory and they already have a spanking new DFI engine with that size. If its a 4 cylinder it would have to be a 2.5L tops to be efficient, with turbocharging to reach the needed HP figures.

    Also I would love for them to offer a GTS version right at the start, that would be the idela car for me, but knowing Porsche, they will leave that again for the end of the production life of the 991 to maintain sales at that stage. And if the do offer it sooner, it will carry a premium then, which will render it the same deal as a equally optioned CarreraS. Its one or the other.


    Yap, a 4C larger than 3.0L is quite rough.

     

    funny you should say that but porsche has extensive history with the 3.0L 4C from the 968.
    That engine with a turbo performed much like a 6C many many years ago. Even the 2.5L turbo (951) feels like a 6C! and that's 20 years old technology. Imagine a new interpretation of this engine.... could easily work guess Smiley


    --

    indeed shifting is ancient technology - so is a fuel burning engine..  I happen to like both :) 

    Oct 1, 2010 8:26:08 AM

    Carlos from SpainM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Carlos from Spain
    Loc: Spain. , Spain
    Posts: 21152, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 9, 2003
    Reply to: Atzporsche

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    going down to 4 cilinders in a sportscar is never an improvement,not from the "driver's" point of view (as oppose to the manufacturer or tree huging law maker), and neither having to turbocharge an engine in a true sportcar when its to achieve the same horsepower.
    --

    Oct 1, 2010 9:01:47 AM

    intouch1
    Rennteam Master
    intouch1
    Loc: Red Sea , Egypt
    Posts: 5752, Gallery
    Registered on: May 22, 2004
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    i dont want a lancer evo in a 911 bodyshell !


    --
    Speed has never killed anyone, suddenly becoming stationary... That's what gets you.

    Oct 5, 2010 12:24:47 PM

    Pentium Offline
    Rennteam Master
    Pentium
    Loc: Earth , Romania
    Posts: 3055, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 27, 2003
    Reply to: intouch1

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Cram talking about his new Cayenne S, I quote: "inside space= less usefull then the CT and really not much space to leave sun glasses etc.... the plane board take to much space. but i'm sure i'll get use to it."

    Exactly what I am afraid that will happen in the 991...

     

     


    --

    There is no try. Just do.

    Oct 5, 2010 12:42:54 PM

    shin
    Senior
    shin
    Loc: no , Singapore
    Posts: 671, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 19, 2004
    Reply to: Pentium

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Pentium:

    Cram talking about his new Cayenne S, I quote: "inside space= less usefull then the CT and really not much space to leave sun glasses etc.... the plane board take to much space. but i'm sure i'll get use to it."

    Exactly what I am afraid that will happen in the 991...

     

     

     People consider Cayennes true Porsches now. In my VERY strong opinion, a front-engined, 5-door , 2-tonne truck with a Porsche badge is an abomination to the Porsche brand wayyy more than a turbo 4-cyl 911.

    Ten years ago people would sneer and spit on the thought of a Porsche SUV. Now they go to Porsche showrooms and have a test drive in a Cayenne at the very least. More people buy Cayennes and Panameras than 911s. I guess the same thing would happen all over again in even fewer years' time when 4 cyl 911s are commonplace.

    But whenever one thinks of cursing a 4 cyl 911, I only have one question for them : how about the tank with the Porsche badge which can bring all the family dogs in its trunk ? I personally think any Porsche taller than 1.4 meter is not a real Porsche, but people always find a way to justify : "Well, it has the horsepower...plus the kids love it." The days of selling your kids to buy your dream Porsche are long behind us.. Smiley

     

    This post is meant as a joke. Don't take it too seriously but there's a point there somewhere. Smiley

    Oct 5, 2010 12:57:12 PM

    Ferdie
    Rennteam VIP
    Ferdie
    Loc: Europe , Germany
    Posts: 8234, Gallery
    Registered on: Jul 2, 2004
    Reply to: shin

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    shin:

    Ten years ago people would sneer and spit on the thought of a Porsche SUV. [...]

    This post is meant as a joke. Don't take it too seriously but there's a point there somewhere. Smiley


    Smiley
     

    Oct 5, 2010 3:24:40 PM

    GnilM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Gnil
    Loc: VD, Switzerland , Switzerland
    Posts: 14174, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 11, 2005
    Reply to: Pentium

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Pentium:

    Cram talking about his new Cayenne S, I quote: "inside space= less usefull then the CT and really not much space to leave sun glasses etc.... the plane board take to much space. but i'm sure i'll get use to it."

    Exactly what I am afraid that will happen in the 991...

     

     

     +1 , I do not think this big and high center console is a good idea in an 911. The car is already small, and that will take away more side space,leg space, elbow space...


    --

     997.2 C2S, PDK, -20mm

    Oct 5, 2010 5:34:12 PM

    John H Offline
    Rennteam VIP
    John H
    Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom
    Posts: 7682, Gallery
    Registered on: Oct 20, 2005
    Reply to: GnilM

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Not sure if this is a re-post....apologies if it is.


    --

    "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."

    Oct 5, 2010 7:59:35 PM

    Pentium Offline
    Rennteam Master
    Pentium
    Loc: Earth , Romania
    Posts: 3055, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 27, 2003
    Reply to: GnilM

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    I just realized that 911 price will get higher... Boxster and Cayman also... so the new entry level Porsche could exists.... Also why not? Because the Ferrari prices are higher too.... 911 should follow....

    Damn! I wish I could have enough money to order a GTS right away and keep it for a LONG time....

    Anyone wanna change a Scuderia for a full spec GTS? Smiley

    Not sure that is a smart move though...


    --

    There is no try. Just do.

    Oct 10, 2010 9:10:08 PM

    mariusv
    mariusv
    Loc: romania, the land of nutzi (and base) , Romania
    Posts: 72, Gallery
    Registered on: May 2, 2008
    Reply to: Pentium

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     You're joking right ? Why on earth would you trade in a F430 Scuderia for a Porsche 911 ? Smiley

    Aaa, acum vad ca esti din Romania, tara cu cele mai varza drumuri din europa...:D Dar chiar si asa, tot nu se merita schimbul respectiv. Mai degraba vinzi 430-ul (scoti 120000 lejer pe el, asta daca nu cumva e bulit), si-ti iei 998 nou-nout cand apare. 

    Apropo, din ce oras esti ? 

     

     

    Oct 10, 2010 10:24:26 PM

    Carlos from SpainM
    Rennteam Moderator
    Carlos from Spain
    Loc: Spain. , Spain
    Posts: 21152, Gallery
    Registered on: Feb 9, 2003
    Reply to: mariusv

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    mariusv:

     You're joking right ? Why on earth would you trade in a F430 Scuderia for a Porsche 911 ? Smiley

    Aaa, acum vad ca esti din Romania, tara cu cele mai varza drumuri din europa...:D Dar chiar si asa, tot nu se merita schimbul respectiv. Mai degraba vinzi 430-ul (scoti 120000 lejer pe el, asta daca nu cumva e bulit), si-ti iei 998 nou-nout cand apare. 

    Apropo, din ce oras esti ? 

     

    Welcome to Rennteam mariusv. You are welcome to use which ever language you want via PM, but when writting in this section, please use in english.


    --

    Oct 10, 2010 11:13:51 PM

    mariusv
    mariusv
    Loc: romania, the land of nutzi (and base) , Romania
    Posts: 72, Gallery
    Registered on: May 2, 2008
    Reply to: Carlos from SpainM

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

     Thanks, ok, I'll do that next time.

    Oct 11, 2010 3:00:24 PM

    Fuchwheeler Offline
    Junior
    Fuchwheeler
    Loc: Sg , Singapore
    Posts: 74, Gallery
    Registered on: May 29, 2010
    Reply to: mariusv

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    I am thinking the new 991 will have panoramic roof. If you look at the Genetic Engineering clip on Porsche site, under the 10kg weight savings section, it mentions something like a panoramic roof. Spy shots also reveal a roof with a placeholder for a panoramic glass top.

     


    --

    997.2 PDK C2S

    997.1 Tip C2S

    14 cars, 2 boats and counting...

    Oct 11, 2010 3:55:37 PM

    Pentium Offline
    Rennteam Master
    Pentium
    Loc: Earth , Romania
    Posts: 3055, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 27, 2003
    Reply to: mariusv

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Because Marius, I rather drive each day a GTS than just from time to time and only in summer the Scuderia. That's how I am. I did that for more than 4 years and 90.000km with my 997, 2004 to 2008 (yes, ALL day, all seasons including going to sky and the roads were even worse back than compared with today) and simply put: I miss that experience. Answering your question: I am from Bucharest. You?

     

     


    --

    There is no try. Just do.

    Oct 11, 2010 6:20:49 PM

    mariusv
    mariusv
    Loc: romania, the land of nutzi (and base) , Romania
    Posts: 72, Gallery
    Registered on: May 2, 2008
    Reply to: Pentium

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Hmm, good answer, I like it :) I mean, it makes sense. But, if you were able to afford a brand new scuderia (which is 200000 euros new), I suppose you should be able to afford a second sports car for daily use (a used carrera S facelift is around 65000) while keeping the scud for occasional use only...that's what I would do anyway :D

    I am from an insignifiant town called Galati :)

     

    Oct 11, 2010 7:11:37 PM

    Enmanuel
    Rennteam VIP
    Enmanuel
    Loc: Boston , United States
    Posts: 8846, Gallery
    Registered on: Mar 7, 2008
    Reply to: mariusv

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    mariusv:

    Hmm, good answer, I like it :) I mean, it makes sense. But, if you were able to afford a brand new scuderia (which is 200000 euros new), I suppose you should be able to afford a second sports car for daily use (a used carrera S facelift is around 65000) while keeping the scud for occasional use only...that's what I would do anyway :D

    I am from an insignifiant town called Galati :)

     

     Maybe he doesn't like to keep cars just to have them parked and rarely used, which is a good choice, I'd rather have one I can drive every day, than a garage queen Smiley

    Oct 11, 2010 11:40:54 PM

    Pentium Offline
    Rennteam Master
    Pentium
    Loc: Earth , Romania
    Posts: 3055, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 27, 2003
    Reply to: mariusv

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Strangely as it may seem to you given what happens in Romania I am working hard for my money; they don't fall from the sky. I am not daddy's boy (quite the opposite, I bought them a house and cars) and I also have NO connection with political parties or our country's local  economics. Owning both a 911 and a Scuderia would mean stretching my resources too thin and I would perceive it anyway as a waste... which I don't like... (which by the way was the case for a while until I sold the 911). Also that experience made me feel like cheating on my girlfriend all the time Smiley When using the 911 I was thinking at Scuderia and the other way around. Well... I guess I rather have one good girl than many... different ones Smiley

    PS Why insignificant town? Come on! Also the price you mention is way too low for a 2008 brand new one. Perhaps without any option. Just to give you an idea, if I remember correctly, only the painted stripes (the livery) was 10.000 euros....

     


    --

    There is no try. Just do.

    Oct 11, 2010 11:43:25 PM

    Pentium Offline
    Rennteam Master
    Pentium
    Loc: Earth , Romania
    Posts: 3055, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 27, 2003
    Reply to: Pentium

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    I apologize to fellowships rennteamers for getting a little bit off topic but it's rare to meet a Romanian around here... Smiley


    --

    There is no try. Just do.

    Oct 11, 2010 11:45:58 PM

    FFaust Offline
    Senior
    FFaust
    Loc: Toronto'ish , Canada
    Posts: 736, Gallery
    Registered on: Nov 15, 2009
    Reply to: Pentium

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Please Pentium, no apologies, this is what makes Rennteam so unique and interesting.


    --

    Slow In, Fast Out

    Oct 11, 2010 11:46:51 PM

    John H Offline
    Rennteam VIP
    John H
    Loc: Cheshire, UK , United Kingdom
    Posts: 7682, Gallery
    Registered on: Oct 20, 2005
    Reply to: Pentium

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    "Love is in the air"  ....... It's a song...

     

     


    --

    "Things turn out best for people who make the best of the way things turn out."

    Oct 11, 2010 11:48:13 PM

    FFaust Offline
    Senior
    FFaust
    Loc: Toronto'ish , Canada
    Posts: 736, Gallery
    Registered on: Nov 15, 2009
    Reply to: John H

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    ... every time I look around... :)


    --

    Slow In, Fast Out

    Oct 12, 2010 1:06:51 AM

    bobr
    Veteran
    bobr
    Loc: New York , United States
    Posts: 945, Gallery
    Registered on: Dec 3, 2003
    Reply to: FFaust

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Are we looking at the replacing "Dancing with the Stars" with Dancing with the Rennteam..


    --
    2006 987S, Artic Silver, Cocoa, Cocoa Top 2006 Cayenne S Lapis Blue New York

    Oct 12, 2010 8:55:35 AM

    Pentium Offline
    Rennteam Master
    Pentium
    Loc: Earth , Romania
    Posts: 3055, Gallery
    Registered on: Apr 27, 2003
    Reply to: John H

    Re: Porsche 991 GT3 to include GT1 motorsport engine... Thread Closed

    Smiley nooooooooo Smiley no loveSmiley


    --

    There is no try. Just do.

     
    Edit

    Forum

    1. All 

    Boards

     
    Board Subject Last post Rating Views Replies
    Porsche Sticky SUN'S LAST RUN TO WILSON, WY - 991 C2S CAB LIFE, END OF AN ERA (Part II) 4/17/24 7:16 AM
    GnilM     		782349 1798
    Porsche Sticky Welcome to Rennteam: Cars and Coffee... (photos) 4/7/24 11:48 AM
    Boxster Coupe GTS     		442969 565
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Cayman GT4 RS (2021) 5/12/23 12:11 PM
    W8MM     		263535 288
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Porsche 911 (992) GT3 RS - 2022 3/12/24 8:28 AM
    DJM48     		261998 323
    Porsche Sticky The new Macan: the first all-electric SUV from Porsche 1/30/24 9:18 AM
    RCA     		86059 45
    Porsche Sticky OFFICIAL: Taycan 2024 Facelift 3/15/24 1:23 PM
    CGX car nut     		6047 50
    Porsche The moment I've been waiting for... 2/1/24 7:01 PM
    Pilot
     
     
     
     
     
    		 881745 1364
    Porsche 992 GT3 7/23/23 7:01 PM
    Grant     		820074 3868
    Porsche GT4RS 4/21/24 11:50 AM
    mcdelaug     		392919 1454
    Porsche Welcome to the new Taycan Forum! 2/10/24 4:43 PM
    nberry     		392565 1526
    Others Tesla 2 the new thread 12/13/23 2:48 PM
    CGX car nut     		376080 2401
    Porsche Donor vehicle for Singer Vehicle Design 7/3/23 12:30 PM
    Porker     		369550 797
    Porsche Red Nipples 991.2 GT3 Touring on tour 4/11/24 12:32 PM
    Ferdie     		290217 668
    Porsche Collected my 997 GTS today 10/19/23 7:06 PM
    CGX car nut
     
     
     
     
     
    		 262056 812
    Lambo Huracán EVO STO 7/30/23 6:59 PM
    mcdelaug     		240897 346
    Lotus Lotus Emira 6/25/23 2:53 PM
    Enmanuel     		231506 101
    Others Corvette C8 10/16/23 3:24 PM
    Enmanuel     		221735 488
    Others Gordon Murray - T.50 11/22/23 10:27 AM
    mcdelaug     		170067 387
    Porsche Back to basics - 996 GT3 RS 6/11/23 5:13 PM
    CGX car nut     		141814 144
    BMW M 2024 BMW M3 CS Official Now 12/29/23 9:04 AM
    RCA     		118358 303
    Motor Sp. 2023 Formula One 12/19/23 5:38 AM
    WhoopsyM     		109548 685
    Porsche 2022 992 Safari Model 3/7/24 4:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		84724 239
    AMG Mercedes-Benz W124 500E aka Porsche typ 2758 2/23/24 10:03 PM
    blueflame     		75479 297
    Porsche 992 GT3 RS 3/3/24 7:22 PM
    WhoopsyM     		54347 314
    Motor Sp. Porsche 963 3/16/24 9:27 PM
    WhoopsyM     		25561 237
    Ferrari Ferrari 296 GTB (830PS, Hybrid V6) 1/21/24 4:29 PM
    GT-Boy     		21256 103
    BMW M 2022 BMW M5 CS 4/8/24 1:43 PM
    Ferdie     		19623 140
    AMG G63 sold out 9/15/23 7:38 PM
    Nico997     		16682 120
    AMG [2022] Mercedes-AMG SL 4/23/24 1:24 PM
    RCA     		13943 225
    Motor Sp. 24-Hour race Nürburgring 2018 5/25/23 10:42 PM
    Grant     		11308 55
    126 items found, displaying 1 to 30.