Sep 21, 2010 2:56:15 PM
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Sep 21, 2010 2:56:15 PM
Agree with you completely. Odd that Porsche AG is clearly trying to milk what's left of the cow and could likely sell a good number of Speedsters priced +10k over a conventional Cab. GTS is nice but a highly functional Speedster with a working top would be nicer, and (it seems as though) GTS and all other 997 residuals are poised to implode with next gen 991 imminent. Obviously this car is for a small number of collectors.
Sep 21, 2010 4:17:07 PM
WAY:
Guys, the reason why Speedster and Sport Classic is so expensive is because 1) they are limited edition cars with very small production numbers, and 2) they come with so much equipment that a similarly specced GTS would not be that much cheaper!
In the case of the new Speedster I am happy that it is only limited to 365 units. Can you imagine seeing bunch of these out in the streets .
Sep 21, 2010 4:46:18 PM
Does anyone else find it ironic that this $200K+ maximally optioned Porsche has as its namesake a 1950's "low cost" stripper requested of Porsche by the US distributor (Max Hoffman) so he could increase sales?? It would seem that for Porsche marketing the Speedster appellation is now synonymous with "convince them it's an investment". Have any of the previous Speedster iterations (911 or 964) attained "investment grade" status?
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DaveC:
Does anyone else find it ironic that this $200K+ maximally optioned Porsche has as its namesake a 1950's "low cost" stripper requested of Porsche by the US distributor (Max Hoffman) so he could increase sales?? It would seem that for Porsche marketing the Speedster appellation is now synonymous with "convince them it's an investment". Have any of the previous Speedster iterations (911 or 964) attained "investment grade" status?
Putting aside the fact that no car should ever be bought as an investment (that's just a story affluent guys tell their wives so they don't also have to buy expensive jewellry at the same time as they indulge themeselves with a new toy), I have known guys who cried in their beer because they didn't get their names down quickly enough for a limited-series Speedster.
There is a market for this model, even at the prices asked for it, so I guess we should be cheering the fact that the market is being served instead of being ignored due to its limited size. Nobody twists the buyers' arms.
fritz
I think it's drop dead gorgeous (and pricey)
Most Porsche lines had a limited number of Speedsters that are all collectable by now,930,964,993 and now the 997,the 996 was too fugly and there wasn't much point in doing a Speedster imo
If the top operation is not too much of a torture i'd consider getting one for my wife
fritz:
DaveC:
Does anyone else find it ironic that this $200K+ maximally optioned Porsche has as its namesake a 1950's "low cost" stripper requested of Porsche by the US distributor (Max Hoffman) so he could increase sales?? It would seem that for Porsche marketing the Speedster appellation is now synonymous with "convince them it's an investment". Have any of the previous Speedster iterations (911 or 964) attained "investment grade" status?
Putting aside the fact that no car should ever be bought as an investment (that's just a story affluent guys tell their wives so they don't also have to buy expensive jewellry at the same time as they indulge themeselves with a new toy), I have known guys who cried in their beer because they didn't get their names down quickly enough for a limited-series Speedster.
There is a market for this model, even at the prices asked for it, so I guess we should be cheering the fact that the market is being served instead of being ignored due to its limited size. Nobody twists the buyers' arms.
I generally agree, but there are those who do believe that money can be made buying certain cars. Pre-collapse Ferrari comes to mind.
Carpe Diem--life is but a crack of light bounded by eternities of darkness (Nabokov)
...yet another fright pig from the folks at the vw/porsche design studios. the idea of using the word " speedster " related to this abomination is further evidence these people of lost not only their minds but more importantly their roots....loved the website which somehow neglected to show the top up , i always thought my 56 speedster looked fine with the top up....can't wait to see the obscene prices they will begin changing hands at sooon
fritz:
DaveC:
Does anyone else find it ironic that this $200K+ maximally optioned Porsche has as its namesake a 1950's "low cost" stripper requested of Porsche by the US distributor (Max Hoffman) so he could increase sales?? It would seem that for Porsche marketing the Speedster appellation is now synonymous with "convince them it's an investment". Have any of the previous Speedster iterations (911 or 964) attained "investment grade" status?
Putting aside the fact that no car should ever be bought as an investment (that's just a story affluent guys tell their wives so they don't also have to buy expensive jewellry at the same time as they indulge themeselves with a new toy), I have known guys who cried in their beer because they didn't get their names down quickly enough for a limited-series Speedster.
There is a market for this model, even at the prices asked for it, so I guess we should be cheering the fact that the market is being served instead of being ignored due to its limited size. Nobody twists the buyers' arms.
I see you point - but then: if Porsche will do several limited editions for each of the 997 successors as well collectors will pile up these cars and after some time people will recognize that there are far too many "limited editions" - the concept of "limited" can only applied with limitations
DaveC:
fritz:
DaveC:
Have any of the previous Speedster iterations (911 or 964) attained "investment grade" status?
Putting aside the fact that no car should ever be bought as an investment (that's just a story affluent guys tell their wives so they don't also have to buy expensive jewellry at the same time as they indulge themeselves with a new toy), I have known guys who cried in their beer because they didn't get their names down quickly enough for a limited-series Speedster.
I generally agree, but there are those who do believe that money can be made buying certain cars. Pre-collapse Ferrari comes to mind.
Sure, you can make money on cars, but the liklihood of making money on them, especially if you actually drive them, is generally less than on the stock market et al. Especially if you factor in the costs for renovation and maintenance of the cars.
You can make money on the Florida Lottery, but I have never heard anybody refer to it as an investment.
fritz
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sevoman:
An unattractive blue car with deformed buttocks which costs 20% more than a TurboS. Try getting a decent price for it in three years time...
+1
I agree about it being ugly, I personally don't like it. But its undeniable that a market for this car does exist, and those interested in it do pay a lot for it, imo because its an itch that is so rarely satisfied.
Sep 21, 2010 10:07:38 PM
Sep 21, 2010 10:15:32 PM
I take it that the roof is really ugly and difficult to erect, which is why we haven't seen one single pic of it yet. I love the look of the Sppedster btw, just think the price is a little overboard. I rather get a GT2RS (yeah I know, it's sold out, at least in Australia because we tried very hard to get one!).
WAY:
I take it that the roof is really ugly and difficult to erect, which is why we haven't seen one single pic of it yet. I love the look of the Sppedster btw, just think the price is a little overboard. I rather get a GT2RS (yeah I know, it's sold out, at least in Australia because we tried very hard to get one!).
I posted one above, albeit not very good.
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Sep 22, 2010 1:39:25 AM
Sep 22, 2010 1:47:37 AM
Sep 22, 2010 7:07:50 AM
Sep 22, 2010 3:18:45 PM
DaveC:
Does anyone else find it ironic that this $200K+ maximally optioned Porsche has as its namesake a 1950's "low cost" stripper requested of Porsche by the US distributor (Max Hoffman) so he could increase sales?? It would seem that for Porsche marketing the Speedster appellation is now synonymous with "convince them it's an investment". Have any of the previous Speedster iterations (911 or 964) attained "investment grade" status?
+1!
I think this comes under the category of "How Stupid Do They Think We Are?" Take a cabriolet, add a very ugly (presumably plastic) hump and reduce the windsheild and suddenly we're supposed to think it's a Speedster?
A true Speedster would essentially have to be a GT3 cab, lowered and sectioned, shortening it where the rear seats are now, dramatically lightened. It wouldn't need a hump because the driver would sit lower on lighter racing shell seats and it would be so hard to put the top up that you wouldn't bother. You'd just drive faster to keep the rain off you.
AND it would have an interior of Alcantara.
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I am not turned off by its looks. However, how does Porsche price a car like this?
I assume they have a target profit margin and then add in percentage for limited production and buyer stupidity? At least with Ferrari with limited production you get performance. This car does not give you $250,000 sport car performance.
That said, I am sure Porsche probably has a pretty good idea who will buy this car and will have no problem selling all of them.