You tempt me to post videos of Camel Trophies now, but I am going to resist. Suffice to say that I have driven almost all kinds of off road vehicles, from quads to 60 ton MBTs... All off roaders seem tame to me after the Challenger 2 but I have to say that the Disco 3 is fantastic! Jeeps and Hummers (not Humvees - they are too heavy in military spec anyhow) come very close though. On a side note, the one I found particularly tasteful was the French BVL...
Go ahead and post, doesn't hurt anyone and I have seen their commercials and shows since I was a little kid, Camel round the world adventures. still 2nd best though. Same with the challenger. (You have to view the video I posted with the Jeep pulling the disco's out of the mud above titled Land Rover Jeep Canada)
Hey I just learned in my Jeepathon today that they are built in Toledo Ohio and the M1's are built in Lima, Ohio. Interesting.
Look at this set-up on some guys Wrangler, what an awesome tire;
I've owned a Wrangler when I lived in the Caribean 10 years ago. Loved the car. The roads where bad and I had a small boat plus trailer. Wrangler was the perfect car for that.
I still like it a lot and I might actually check it out with the updated interior. I would use it for smaller distances, to go in the mountains in the winter and to trailer my boat.
Cool car
REALZEUS:
Can't see the tyre tread but it looks the part (is that a manual hub?).
I guess a Brit and an American can never agree on LR vs Jeep...
I wouldn't worry about getting out of the vehicle to do anything
Rubicon has:
Monotube Shock Absorbers
Tuneable Monotube Shock Absorbers have a proprietary Low Speed Tunable (LST) valve technology that is firm at low speed for improved feel on the rocks and a relaxed feel at higher speed for optimum highway driving.
Hill Start AssistHill Start Assist (HSA) assists drivers when starting a vehicle from a stop on a hill by maintaining the level of brake pressure applied for a short period after the driver’s foot is removed from the brake pedal.
Electronic Throttle ControlWrangler’s Electronic Throttle Control (ETC) system helps prevent the herky-jerky “pedal bobble” that often occurs when in 4WD-low (4LO) mode. ETC’s special off-road calibrations help the driver to “feather in” the throttle over uneven terrain, logs and rocks.
This legendary part-time system has served Jeep owners well through the years. Command-Trac is a proven shift-on-the-fly system with a 2.72:1 Low-Range and Neutral.
The Rock-Trac transfer case is the heart of Wrangler Rubicon's extreme rock crawling ability. Because of the 4:1 low-gear ratio, Rock-Trac's low crawl speed makes it easy to ascend or descend sharp inclines and to crawl over obstacles. Rock-Trac also features a fixed-yoke output assembly, usually only available as on after-market option. And best of all, it carries the full manufacturer's warranty.
Some cool tire tread pics that match that other tire from the side Look at the claws!
Lars997:
Guys don't you comapre Apples with pears here? Two great cars but totally different images and ride qualities.the RRS with the air ride and it's 2.6t is a smooth and comfy luxury cruising sedan vs. The Jeep which is the all terrain sporty SUV for a fair price. It's kind of comparing a Corvette with a Bentley Continental, isn't it?
That is the point I made earlier, the RRS wants to be an S600 that sits higher and won't get stuck. But if I want a comfy luxury sedan, get a sedan.Going out to dinner in a suit take an S600 going to the beach or mouintains with all kinds of people and junk take a real SUV.
993Targa:
I still like it a lot and I might actually check it out with the updated interior. I would use it for smaller distances, to go in the mountains in the winter and to trailer my boat.
Cool car
Jeep has come a long way. They used to have leaf springs. These new Wranglers seem to be a whole new vehicle.
Jeep said that engineers worked hard on the 2011 Wrangler and Wrangler Unlimited's interior to significantly reduce interior noise.
REALZEUS:
A bit too anxious to promote Jeeps racerx, aren't you? You wouldn't happen to be a Chrysler/Fiat exec, would you?
Just pulling your leg mate.
I know (you're joking) but in response to Koko I said;
racerx:
may get one
So I am not trying to convince anyone of anything other than they are great vehicles and a lot of people have a negative slant on US cars even Americans, when nowadays they can be as good as they were back in the 60's.
I am actually considering buying a Wrangler Unlimited, MAYBE, and this thread will be like a little file for me to help on features, colors, ...................... already learned difference between models, 2012 may have a new engine (might not be an improvement) , surprised by new interior, ............. A thread is a better way to organize stuff than hunting thru folders on a desktop and opening a million files.
PLUS if someone does not like the GENERAL topic they don't have to click or comment. I don't even click on GTR or LFA threads or lots of other topics that simply hold no interest.
cool feature
fyi you can get a Wrangler with turbo diesel engine in the UK.
racerx:
Lars997:
Guys don't you comapre Apples with pears here? Two great cars but totally different images and ride qualities.the RRS with the air ride and it's 2.6t is a smooth and comfy luxury cruising sedan vs. The Jeep which is the all terrain sporty SUV for a fair price. It's kind of comparing a Corvette with a Bentley Continental, isn't it?
That is the point I made earlier, the RRS wants to be an S600 that sits higher and won't get stuck. But if I want a comfy luxury sedan, get a sedan.Going out to dinner in a suit take an S600 going to the beach or mouintains with all kinds of people and junk take a real SUV.
I get your point, I like to disagree. For me a cruiser in the shape of a 2.6t RangeRoverSport has the right to exist. The S600 might be the master of luxury and comfort, but it doesnt has the relaxed feeling of sitting upright (I talk about 90 degrees legs!) and high like in a RRS. Further on, the RRS has a different space feeling. And the cool thing - going skiing in winter it just gives you much more reserve due to ride hight than a S600. For me a large, comfy SUV is just the perfect family car.
Lars997:
comfy SUV is just the perfect family car.
Though I have not driven either one yet I would not rule the Jeep out as a "comfy" vehicle. Status wise it will not be confused with a RR but ride-wise on the street it may not be all that different.
It now has all the creature comforts of heated leather seats, controls on the steering wheel for phone and stereo, bluetooth etc..
and if it is comfy enough for the beckhams (guard driving) and the kids it's good enough for us I wonder if Land Rover made her sell the Jeep
Appreciate all the input, as I live in FL, the biggest hills are trash mounds, chances for off-roading are zero. Test drove the Range Rover Sport this weekend, Im 6'3 and it was still very comfortable with plenty of room. I ended up test driving a supercharged RRS, plenty of power at the throttle and a great ride. Didnt plan on getting the supercharged model, but I couldnt resist.
racerx:
@Kozzoloz - you were an easy sell, no test drives of anything else, not even the new Grand Cherokee? The Audi, Toerag,
Haha, very true. A good friend of mine has a wrangler 4 door that has everything top to bottom, so I know the potential and how it drives. Audi is nice but the exterior styling is just not to my taste. And it probably didnt help that I brought my fiance with me, especially since she knows that I should be taking delivery of my m3 sometime next week. While the RRS will be all alone in the garage, as I will be enjoying the bmw.
Kozzoloz:
racerx:
@Kozzoloz - you were an easy sell, no test drives of anything else, not even the new Grand Cherokee? The Audi, Toerag,
Haha, very true. A good friend of mine has a wrangler 4 door that has everything top to bottom, so I know the potential and how it drives. Audi is nice but the exterior styling is just not to my taste. And it probably didnt help that I brought my fiance with me, especially since she knows that I should be taking delivery of my m3 sometime next week. While the RRS will be all alone in the garage, as I will be enjoying the bmw.
Enjoy it
What color did you go for??